KismetKat

Keep in mind how big this tray is, the only other space with enough room (it's a small house) would be the dining area - somewhere I don't want a littler tray. Also the cat tends to throw the stuff around himself (little bugger). But thanks for the though.

That would do the trick - thx.

I can't put the tray anywhere else as this house is all carpet. But given me post just before this I think you might be on the money with cosy space.

Not really, as my single toilet is also off the laundry - don't want to have to step over a baby gate every time I go to the loo Get one with a gate that opens so you don't have to step over it. Yes, I have one of these across the laundry door - easy to use, a small cat door to allow them easy access and keeps the dogs from...well....snacking. As to why...no idea. What sort of bed options does he have now? Has he had a recent vet check? Sudden changes in behaviour can often indicate something physical going on. I have never seen a baby gate with a cat window. In my last house I used the side of a cot with one rail removed so the cat could get thru without jumping (did I mention he's a big cat? LOL). He usually sleeps on his bed in my room - or when I am at work on my bed or flat mates bed. I wonder if it is a nervous behaviour as this started on Greek Easter (I live down the road from a huge Greek Othrodox church) - and I know also sometimes fireworks is used though we didn't ear it (and it is discouraged by the Church). But that being said he did do this behaviour once before on a particularly hot day in summer back in Jan - despite ambient temp in other rooms being cooler because of aircon, at the time I though maybe he found lying on the litter cooler. But that does not match up with him doing it now when weather is much colder.

Not really, as my single toilet is also off the laundry - don't want to have to step over a baby gate every time I go to the loo

Well it's been a long time since I last visited this forum - had things to do, dogs to walk etc. However am now back as if anyone can offer me an idea on what the heck is going on with my Rough Collie it's the DOL forumites. My collie is 10 years old and has, just lately, decided the kitter litter tray is the perfect place for him. It's a large tray (actually an underbed storage container - the cat is a Maine Coon). Why he goes in there I have no idea, but it's driving me nuts as when he gets up he tracks litter all through the house. Any idea why suddenly a 10 year old dog would decided the litter tray is the place to be? Also, any tips on how to stop him?

Probably their interpretation of item ii Cosmolo "(ii) the rearing, training or boarding of dogs or cats;" Now, how many for-profit cat-trainers are there out there???

It was throwing me for six too Natsu. Some further digging in the Act and we can now get him on this ridiculous "animal business" stuff - the Act has a number of definitions including this one and guess who has been giving us all this grief? Not the ranger at all, it's Council's "Bylaws Officer". The bloke needs to be sacked for incompetence!

OK - thanks to a DOLer who sent me the old version of the Act (where the exemption was easier to find) I have now found it in the revised version - thank goodness! See section 26 which reads Phew! Now we just have to get out of them wanting us to register as an "animal business"

Yes they do - but under the Act (prior sept 2010) circumstances as defined under section 20 were exempt. State Law overrides council law.

Jules - clubs have a permit from council for use of park - but it was never up to council to grant exemptions about leash laws as it was covered by the State Act (which takes precedence). Jeesh - if clubs have to individually negotiate... and it is just not clubs affected. Think! A farmer cannot herd his flock across a public road without putting working dogs on leash.

Erny the point is that a section dealing with leash laws USED to point to that section as an exemption. It is the 'pointing' section that I can no longer find and suspect no longer exists. Why has a change to the Act, that affects virtually EVERY obedience club in the State gone unnoticed???

can you find that subsection under the current Act erny? here is a link

Am reposting this in this forum as it is perhaps the more appropriate place to get the attention the matter deserves. The Domestic Animals Act in Victoria was amended in September 2010 - and while many of you will be aware of the more obvious worriesome changes to the legislation, there seems to be an even MORE worrying change that has gone unnoticed. That is, dogs undergoing obedience/agility training or trials, dogs retrieving, dogs herding livestock etc. are NO LONGER exempt from leash laws on public land. Yep - unless the public land is designated as off-leash, your dog must be leashed. There used to be a section (which I can no longer find) that pointed to section 20 as a list of circumstances in which dogs were exempt from local leash laws. That section I can no longer find. Section 20 now reads as merely an exemption from needing to wear council registration tags. This has come to light as our recently formed dog obedience/agility club (which basically is just a newly named club that has taken over from a club that has used the same park for years) has been told off my the local ranger for working dogs off lead in an on lead park. We pointed him to section 20 for the exemption, but he has now come back to us and not only said "that just means rego tags" but has also decided that, under the Act, we also must be registered as an "animal business". Perhaps I have gone blind and just can't find the relevant section that extended the list of circumstances in section 20 to leash laws - if so please point me in the right direction. But if this ranger is right this has SERIOUS consequences for any and all dog sport/training in Victoria that is conducted on public land.

are we the only ones who 'geddit' nat? will take your advice and start a new thread in sport section.

It's a new development natsu. There's actually been a dog club there for years but we've recently turned it into a new all-breeds club. I really don't know why this has come up now. The ranger approached the secretary a while ago about the off-lead work and we got back to him citing section 20 as giving us an exemption under the Act. He just got back to us again this week saying section 20 only applied to rego tags. This was also where he came up with the idea we had to be registered under the Act as an "animal business" but that Council would let us have that for little or no charge (we already pay park permits). We are an incorporated club. I went back thru the Act to find the section which I know WAS there about leash laws and pointing to section 20 as exempt situations so we could give him that section of the Act. But I can no longer find that section. Thus this thread. Is it just me or has the section gone? The Act is the revised version (Sept 2010) so if anyone has access to the earlier version... I have contacted my local State MP asking what the story is - but of course no reply yet. I can try dogs vic next week. I really want to know what happened to the Act. But yes - if this is all correct it has serious repurcussions for ALL dog sports and working dogs whenever they are on public land.

Yes erny = we can still train/trial our dogs without rego tags but it all must be done on lead unless in a designated off lead park. Wonder what the duck shooters and their retriever dogs make of all this. and watch out any farmer who wants to move their stock across a public road to the next paddock - have to put those herding dogs onlead!

cos we pay them a permit fee :| and not 'was' - 'is' - they are arguing it is an onlead park so all dogs should be onlead. As I said, training clubs used to be exempt from council law, but the provision has disappeared.

Danois = the issue is that most clubs train in council parks. There USED to be a section about councils' ability to make bylaws re leashes etc. but saying in certain circumstances (section 20) dogs were exempt. Now the section about leash exemptions pointing to section 20 is no longer there (as far as I can see). You can't see the section about leash laws cos it no longer seems to be there! This has SERIOUS repercussions for dog clubs operating lessons and trials in public parks.

The Victorian Domestic Animal Act has an exemption section (section 20) which includes dogs working livestock, dogs being shown, etc. and also dogs while being trained for or is participating in obedience trials or classes, retrieving game, hunting or some other customary sporting activity and is under the effective control of a responsible person. A different section, in regards to council's ability to enforce leash laws etc., USED to point to section 20 as circumstances where dogs were exempt. In the revised Act I can no longer find this section and section 20 now seems to read that the exemption is PURELY about the need to wear registration tags. So your dog can herd sheep without council tags but must be on-leash??? Surely this omission in the revised Act has serious consequences for obedience and agility clubs who train in council parks that are designated on-lead. Have I missed something in the revised Act or have the State govt stuffed up? (and if so, is it just an accidental omission or deliberate?) Advice needed as my incorporated dog club is being harassed by Council about working off-lead and, what's more, they want us to register as an "animal business" under the Act.

The Age have now pulled the ad - it was set to run all week. article

Point is, being in a paper like The Age would lend the ad legitimacy.

I can't believe this - an ad on page 3 of today's Age selling this pup for $600 plus shipping. An ad that size in the Age in that position would probably cost $600 or more. How many times are they gunna sell this pup (which I am sure does not exist). Only contact is a yahoo address.

The least the States involved could do is make this practice illegal! That is what the 'comment' button is for. Doesn't matter where you live, make your voice heard lablove!

Apparently it is a "sport" in the US to trap critters like coyotes, then put then in a yard where you then let packs of domestic dogs rip them apart. The sport is called "penning" and is actually legal in some states in the US. Please read this and then click on the "I don't live in the Orlando area" to make your comments. This is appalling and how any civil society could consider this an OK thing to do just astounds me.