Sheridan

Woof, I've seen this 'police our own' comment come up quite a lot in relation to the greyhound industry and with pedigree dogs. Somehow every greyhound trainer and breeder is supposed to know what everyone else is doing. Same with ANKC breeders. If like to know how I, as a dog owner, is supposed to know what someone I see once in a while at a dog show, that I don't know personally, does with their dogs. The idea of policing our own is so full of holes that it should be instantly dismissed by anyone with a brain.

It only takes a heartbeat to take away people's rights - people who have never shown any sign of being party to any of this - thats 80% of them and how do you justify them having the right to find them new homes or sell them interstate rather than killing them as better for the dogs? can only wonder if its a case of don't care, as long is its not your rights that have been signed away. Then the fat would fly but same scenario here, those unaffected will just look on and say hey they brought it on themselves then too. As someone who owns and loves animals I do care very much, and I worry that my right to own them wil be taken away, but that doesn't negate the reality, nor does it make it ok for others to abuse animals while I sat back. I do what I can but it takes a majority, so I try to convince people that this is all our responsibility. Each of us every time we hear about someone doing the wrong thing but are afraid to speak up because they are more powerful, they are more respected, but they are the ones who will bring us all down so now is the time to act against them. Okay, give. What are you doing to ensure this?

I grew up with an Irish terrier and my sister had one. It really depends on the individual dog. If I was going to choose one of the Irish breeds that is more likely (though not always) to get along with another dog I'd choose a wheaten. However, a wheaten would not do at all in this situation and honestly, I'd avoid the terrier group altogether.

How are RSPCA stats being twisted? For a start it would be more appropriate to discuss euth % rather than raw numbers. And discuss dog numbers rather than all animals. The stats I've seen were solely euth rates not numbers of dogs in shelters. I haven't checked them but the source was cited as annual reports. I was responding to asal saying "no outcry over 58,000 dogs" and my point is that it is 15% of annual intake nationally. Not 58% like the Greyhounds. No one likes euth'ing animals. I certainly don't. But I do see some of the dogs that make it through behavioural assessments and there are a number that should never have been adopted. 15% of what? All euthanasias nationally or 15% of RSPCA intake? And the 58% of greyhounds is 58% of what? Greyhounds born?

They just failed by using 'learnings'.

How are RSPCA stats being twisted? For a start it would be more appropriate to discuss euth % rather than raw numbers. And discuss dog numbers rather than all animals. The stats I've seen were solely euth rates not numbers of dogs in shelters. I haven't checked them but the source was cited as annual reports.

How are RSPCA stats being twisted?

12 months and 4 years ago I believe. Why the delay? And what about the person who has had that footage for 4 years? Why the delay? Because the campaign against the ban seems to be gaining ground in the media and people's minds are being changed.

Well Im not outraged but why is it better for the RSPCA to take them and put them down when the breeders are perfectly capable of taking them to their own vets and doing the same thing? The answer to that would be written in some bureaucratese but the actual answer is probably because the RSPCA said so.

logic????? there is none in the current trend of various governments haste to respond to whatever they need to do to be seen to be doing something without affecting their voter base too badly... or perhaps i am becoming totally cynical. H Yep and its all about who yells the loudest and who piddles in who's pocket SA introduced mandatory desexing of baby puppies which I consider much more cruel than many other things but thats O.K. Norway says it cruel and its against the law SA says who cares it how we will stop dumped dogs. It won't.

There doesn't seem to be any benefit to being a member of GRNSW right now and certainly, the disadvantages appear to be retrospective given even though if someone resigns membership they're still going to lose their dogs. I don't know what the GRNSW regulations say but I don't see how joining ensures a loss of property rights and I wonder if members knew that was in the small print.

yes yours are so pretty, well to you anyway Breeders who have sold to pet shops are a contributing factor in pedigree dogs PR problem. I don't think I can say it more plainly.

There are two precedents for taking away someone's property and handing it over: Royal Domain and Squatter's Rights. Not sure how much the latter could apply as it depends on state law regarding squatting but certainly Royal Domain is similar.

Clare, you ask why people choose breeds. How can you quantify someone's heart? ETA on 'designer' animals, please put that in parentheses. There is no design to sticking two unsuitable dog breeds together other than the desire to make money. Hi there, so far in my reading and research I have found that while a number of people do select dogs based on loving the breed or feelings that as you say they cannot quantify, that other factors also come into consideration. For example their living arrangements, family status, work commitments and so forth. Therefore that is the reason why I have asked the question in the survey. I hope that answers your question. As for your comment of designer animals, there are a number of perspectives that my research will seek to gather and present, hence why I am seeking the perspective of pedigree owners and breeders to balance out the debate. My survey is also being directed at people with designer animals to canvas the reasons why they selected these particular combinations. I have no interests or opinion on the matter outside of pure scientific curiosity, hence why I am conducting research on this topic. I hope that covers everything for you, and thanks for your contribution. Thanks for your replies, I on one hand was concerned my suspicions may have offended you, but on the other hand know from experience nothing offends a peta advocate. You will I suspect tend to find older generations are more than a bit gun-shy as they have seen this stealth campaign from its beginnings to today. the complete lack of compassion for those who love and have pets is bad enough but their record of destruction of any animals they get hold of let alone the plans for all breeds and species of animals in their sights is the scariest part. it is as if they not only detest their own species who have pets but any domesticated species as well. as for so called 'designer breeds', they are x breds there is no 'design' to be found in crossing some breeds, feel sorry in particular for so many of the poor oodles. they need the same grooming and care as a purebred poodle , except many lack the correct poodle single coat of the purebred, the correct coat and texture is quite resistant to matting, many tend to have to also inherited the soft fluffy undercoat as well and suffer the resulting matting and horrific felting so loved by the publications for shocking the general public. a friend come home with the cutest boxer x kelpie, if the breeder thought that design was a good one I knew without even asking this cutie was going to grow into and incredibly active perpetual puppy with a strength no kelpie ever had and a tail that could kneecap an adult. lovable absolutely. kids flying like tenpins? absolutely. not a plant left in the yard? absolutely. the first 2 years were a nightmare but unlike many owners of such a high energy behemoth they stuck it out, many pups aren't so lucky and end up dumped or surrendered. she was lucky. as well the whole idea of the non shedding coat is lost in the next cross, well unless the other parent is again a purebred poodle, a percentage shed anyway and as for crossing the resulting oodles even if neither oodle parent sheds 2/3rds of the puppies will miss out on the non shedding gene and oops will not be any use in preventing allergic reactions to those who need a non shedding pet. as Rob Zammit pointed out so long ago as he had that cute little Malti tzu or was it malti oodle? any way it had inherited a combination of structural faults from its contributing parents. designer parents need to be conformation sound too or the puppies still inherit malaccluded teeth, navel and or inguinal hernias, luxating patella, hip displacia, even deafness and dry eye to name a few of the bonus genes that can come if the parents arent checked for freedom for these just as thoughly as any potential parent of any breed or cross. Hi there, no you have not offended me at all. I am happy to answer any concerns or queries anyone may have, it is a key part of my job as researcher. Let me just reiterate again though that I am in no way, shape or form associated with PETA or any other animal rights groups. I love dogs. I have had dogs my whole life, I have dogs currently and I hope to share my life with many more wonderful dogs in the future. This research is in no way intended to alter the current state of pet ownership in this country. Rather, I am interested in how our lifestyles and the changes in our urban environment may be altering the human and dog relationship on a mirco level and how we as humans can ensure we are providing adequate care and welfare for our animals. I hope this work could one day have positive outcomes for dogs and dog owners as well as councils who manage domestic pets and State and Federal Governments. At this stage I can of course not predict the outcomes of the data, however let me reassure you all it will in no way be used to suggest that pets are something that human beings should not continue to have. On the matter of designer dogs or cross breeds, thankyou for your input and ideas. These are exactly the perspectives I am interested in hearing about so they are extremely valuable to my research. This is exactly why I had decided to post on this forum, to hear a range of opinions about these changes in breeding. So thankyou once again. If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask. I hope we can all have an open and transparent dialogue about these issues. Apologies for the very long quote. Where do you stand on dog breeding? An abrupt question but an important one.

It's my view Newkirk was bitten by a dog as a child.

I think the "owners" are now just the caretakers. I think the greyhound board now has taken ownership of all greyhounds registered with them. This seems unlawful. I spend my money purchasing goods therefore the goods are my property. What law allows a third party to take control of my goods without my consent? Some would call that theft.

The ban affects NSW only. At this stage. The last LC day in the ACT was cancelled due to lack of numbers I thought there had only been one.

https://www.thedogs.com.au/NewsArticle.aspx?NewsId=7774 Ta very much.

And what if a handful of ignorant callous trainers used live baiting to attempt to get their dogs to chase better? Like has happened? Do you think novelty race meets (which, by the way have occurred for a range of breeds) would change the AR agenda? There is an infant sport in NSW called lure coursing. All breeds and crosses of dog can participate. The dogs chase plastic bags The GR Commission report has roped it in with Greyhound racing calling for any pet who participates to be registered as a "coursing dog" and criminalising ownership of small animals by LC dog owners. The reason dogs chase ANYTHING is prey drive. It shouldn't be demonised and it can be managed. We have a bunch of people who know sweet FA about dogs and care even less driving the rhetoric. They are shaping the space and dogs are NOT their purpose. The fact that many dog owners are being duped by them is a real and genuine issue. I was going to take my wheaten to the first lure coursing day in the ACT but didn't cos I had something else on. Guess I won't be bothered now.

If they just wanted to stop greyhound racing it wouldn't be this detailed.

OT, Rebanne, do you have the link for the above, please.

Clare, you ask why people choose breeds. How can you quantify someone's heart? ETA on 'designer' animals, please put that in parentheses. There is no design to sticking two unsuitable dog breeds together other than the desire to make money.

And what is the point of the research?

You can say that again. Again I say to you play the ball and not the man. #snert

Ah, Steve, true colours come shining through.