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Ha ha must be the time of year as Holly is losing heaps of hair everywhere as well and she is only 10 months old......I thought she must be losing her puppy coat because she is going a darker colour...will be interested to find out when it happens too.

Considering that the title of this topic is about training 2 puppies at once, I am wondering why half of it now has nothing to do with it. ViVien has come here asking for help and advice and all people can do is question her all the time. If ViVien wants to have 2 puppies at once, then that is her choice. I don't see any puppy getting neglected or not cared for, in fact I see the opposite. Ginger is missing, yes only for 2 weeks, but 2 weeks to the person that has lost her dog is like an eternity......and if ViVien's way of coping is to get another puppy now or even 2 puppies, well that is her decision to make and one that may not be right to some people, but is obviously right to her. Making comments about Ginger not passing temp tests at the LDH is not at all helping, I too would get upset at anyone saying that about my dog....I'm sure ViVien is upset enough about all this without being reminded that her dog may be PTS. If ViVien is doing all she can to find her dog then why is there a problem, it's not like she's been on here saying she doesn't care etc, etc..... ViVien I wish you all the best in finding Ginger and hope she comes home to you very soon. Enjoy training your 2 pups, there is some great advice in this thread somewhere

Hi Vi, sorry to hear how hard you are doing it and if getting a new puppy is what you feel is best then so be it. When my 9yr old Koolie went to the bridge, I missed him so much, as well as the 'doggy' feel to the place and knew that I could never be without another dog and so I too got a new puppy about a month after his passing. But for me it was too soon, I resented her at first and found it hard to get close to her and she was so 'unlike' my old boy ( well of course!) that she frustrated me......but she eventually helped me heal and move on and I love her now. But please don't forget about Ginger, no matter how long it's been, never give up hope and never stop looking. I know how much you love her and are missing her, but she would be feeling the same for you right now. I too believe some one has got her and eventually they will be out walking her or have to take her to the vet, so keep with the lost/now stolen posters at the vets and hopefully she will be returned to you soon. I will go to the Melton Pound tomorrow and have a look for you. In the meantime, enjoy your new furball and post up some pics

Thanks for the replies KK & GL. I have been stressing about when to change her over and hoping that I am doing the right thing all the time! I think I will continue with the puppy formula until 12-18 months when she has finished her growing and then switch over. The adult formula is quite alot cheaper too and last time I was there Petstock had the adult formula bags with 20% extra free. Might start stocking up on the adult bags while it's cheap.

I had my GR puppy on Pro Plan for only 2 months as she developed really bad flakey skin that was only getting worse. I tried all sorts of shampoos etc. until I finally took her to the vet who suggested a diet change. I changed to EP Large/Giant breed Puppy and within 2 months the flaking had completely gone and she has a nice shiny coat. She is 7 months now and as Goldielover said, most breeders change over now to Adult, however I checked the packages of both at Petstock the other day and the only difference in the 2 is that the Large/Giant breed Puppy has double the amount of Glucosamine in it. Isn't glucosamine supposed to be good for their growing joints and therefore wouldn't it be best to leave them on the puppy formula until they fully finish growing? Protein amounts are exactly the same, as well as most of the other 'essential' vitamins and minerals, just the glucosamine is doubled in the puppy. So why do most people change now?

So sorry this day had to come. Let your years of happy memories of Jenna guide you through the pain that you feel. R.I.P Sweet Jenna :rolleyes:

Thanks for your replies everyone. I will do as you suggested and check with the breeder on what she thinks of her at 12 months and if she says she looks ok, then I will get the tests done. So what happens if at 12 months Holly isn't breed standard for her height, can she still be shown on the assumption that she won't finish growing until 18 months etc...or will I not be able to show her unless she is the right height? Sorry I am so clueless on this show stuff and my breeder is no help at all because she doesn't want her in the ring until the tests are clear, so if her tests come back good then I have missed out on 12 months worth of showing......I agree with you sandgrubber, limited register should allow showing for up to 12 months......then you could get the tests done and if they do come back good, you haven't lost 12 months.

Hey Safadao, Do you happen to live anywhere near the fruit blocks? Only reason I ask this is that I used to live in Mildura and would always be hearing the sound of those bird scarers going off early hours of the morning. Maybe one is going off in the distance, not that you can hear but maybe your dog is? Although 5am is pretty early, but the birds will stir at the crack of dawn ( I'm never up that early to know if it's getting light :D ) So maybe one is set for that time, who knows but I hope it all works out for you!

My Golden gets Eagle Pack now, have tried both Supercoat and Pro Plan and have found the best results with the EP, so I'm sticking with that for now.

Goldielover: I think I will start show training her like you and blacklab have suggested as I am pretty sure my breeder is not interested in switching her over until everything is tested and all is ok. I haven't actually come out and said "Can we talk about the limited reg thing" as I can tell by the way she is talking and acting that she wnats to wait, plus she said straight away that she doesnt like looking at puppies at 6 months of age. So it looks like I will wait now until she is 12 months and have had her tests and then go back out and see her. If she had a major fault or anything I'm not sure she would even tell me this, she knows that I don't know anything, but I am joining an obedience club in a couple of weeks and will hopefully learn some more from the people with Goldies, maybe they can fill me in on her appearance when they see her.

I was more excited than she was!! I had these big expectations of her being so happy that I actually came back....as she seemed really worried when I first bought her that it was the last she was going to see her or something. It may have been that I didnt ring first, I was on my way back from camping and didnt have her number and basically had to drive past her street too (she is 2 hours from where I live) so I just called in...some people just dont like that and I think she may be one of them. Plus I think she was different because she has since moved onto another smaller breed now and is concentrating more on them than the Goldens. Only thing I am worried about is that my pup is still on the limited reg and I fear that she will never be moved off it until her hips/elbows eyes are clear, which is after 12 months and would be too late to start showing then am I right?

Just had a quick browse at the site you suggested Trevanizdanes and it looks great! Thanks for the link! I have only just read a bit of it, but from what I have read so far there is a few additives I can add...do you add these as well?

You will find an endless amount of photo's of her in the photo section! Thanks for your reassurance and everyone else that replied.

I just weighed her then and she is 19.8 kilos, does that sound right for just gone six months this week? She is rather lean looking, but as suggested by my vet to avoid HD related disorders. My breeder said she was a little leaner than she see's normally, but that it is ok, better than being overweight. Just concerned by the way she said that she is pretty small for her age. I do hope she grows to standard. ETA: If I was to keep her pretty lean (in order to prevent HD etc... as you can probably tell Im paranoid about it) meaning feeding her the minimum portions stated on the packet rather than the maximum portion, would this cause her to be stunted at all or will she still grow to her genetic type size, structure etc..?

Hi all, over the holidays I managed to get my pup Holly (GR), 6 months old now, back to see her breeder. Did not really go as well as I had expected, maybe I expected too much, but basically she didnt even care to see her as she doesnt like looking at puppy's at 6 months of age as they are all gangly. Fair enough I guess, but as for me wanting to get her on the main reg, so I can even think about showing her, well I didnt even mention it, she just wasnt interested. What she did say was that my girl is looking a little on the small side and compared to other puppy's same age as her, she thinks she is pretty small and probably wont make the right height. Now my question is, I changed my pup from Supercoat (which is what the breeder had her on), over to Eagle Pack large breed puppy almost straight after I got her and I was wondering if this could be the reason for her smaller size? I mean after all isnt the large breed puppy food supposed to slow their growth down to help prevent HD etc. ?

Will do! Thanks for everyone's help and advice. I am heading back to the breeder after xmas, so I am hoping her bite will be good by then and I can get the OK to start showing her, here's hoping there isn't another problem!

Well we are back and it is good news...I think....my vet said that if he had of seen them sticking into the gums when it first happened he would have pulled them out to save some discomfort, but seeing that she is actually 19 weeks old today and the canines fall out between 19-23 weeks, he expects them to fall out pretty soon. He also said that she has a good bite and that the new adult ones are most likely pushing the baby canines up, causing it to move in the wrong direction and pierce the top gum. If it was bleeding, infected etc. he would have removed them, but says that she isn't showing any real signs of discomfort when touched or when she is eating, so for her sake she is best left alone for now. If they havent fallen out after xmas, he said to bring her back and he'll have another look because they made need pulling then, but fingers crossed that those adult teeth are coming up normal and it will be better. Oh and it was no charge either!

Gums look iffy? What's wrong with them? Dont tell me more problems!

Thanks heaps everyone, I have made an appointment to see my vet at 2pm today, so will see what they have to say...hopefully it is good news....and not what you said Dougie! The vet said that they should have picked up on it 3 weeks ago when I was in for my last vacc because they checked her teeth then so they said something about a reduced consult, so lets hope so! I do hope I get some good news and they are just growing wrong. All the rest of the teeth are adult ones and they seem fine, just the canines are wrong. Her show career may be over before it's even started

mmmmm I have been wondering about this for a few days now. Thanks pebbles. My vet should probably have picked up on this when she was there for her last vacc, he checked her teeth too. A doggy dentist, where would I find one of them!! I have read a bit about bites not being right, as she is only 5 months is it possible that it may get better?

and a front on shot

the hole ...ouch....

another

ok with a bit of effort I managed to get this pic, what do you think? I have a couple more to post too.

I was worried about that, I did a search and wanted to find pics of normal puppy teeth but couldnt find any, I will take a pic as soon as my OH gets home as he can hold her mouth open for me!