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interesting, decades ago I had a young stallion who was incredibly anxious about mares, he just was not coping with his hormones, an experimental injection to chemically castrate colts for the racing industry was asking for people willing to have their colts treated in return for input on the results. signed him up and another really quiet colt as well. the improvement in the nervous boy was remarkable, even took him riding with the pony club kids n he didn't have a clue he was a colt anymore. when it wore off, in his case 11 months later he remained content. the quiet colt had no changes noticeable, but then it was to be expected. The aim was to keep the oversexed colts mind on the job for racing so they did not have to be castrated and their genetics lost if they proved their worth on the track. the once anxious boy was done twice more over a 15 year period to ascertain any changes in how long the injection worked and any changes to fertility after it wore off. he was still fully fertile at 27. Very interesting research to be part of

I knew a beautiful child, by the time he was 19 he was diagnosed schizophrenic, he was his parents first child so its not the case of only occurring to "the older the father" ditto for a friends son his parents were only 20, he killed himself on his 21st birthday, ditto for my 19 yr old friend. in the decades before all this crap nanny state legislation deciding the lives of our dogs for us, I never saw a downs syndrome puppy and I knew an awful lot of breeders. was surfing gumtree this morning, noticed an add for merle border collie x koolie, as all were smoothcoats in curiosity opened the add. to discover the only border collie in them was 25%, the rest kelpie and koolie. What really stunned me was both parents were merle?????????? The "breeder" was in no register, the puppies had been "a happy accident" The very people who are the real suppliers of probably over 80% of puppies today. Nice to see though that all 7 were microchipped though. Amazingly lucky that none of them had inherited two copies of the merle gene. ooo and the majority had sold for $3,000? the last offered for $1,200 no legislation can touch these people, but nice to see their puppies are microchipped

the father of my brothers chihuahua was 17 years old when he sired him. the entire litter were great. fact is, older the male the more you know about his health status into maturity, which you have no idea in the young male. ditto for the females. a catch 22 true if they are going to ban older dogs why not ban older humans from breeding too? ah yes that would get them into heaps of hot water

I just realised as I was replying to the other thread. The pounds and rescues are providing the evidence that registered traceable breeders are not the problem. that strangling them is doing nothing to stem the tide of unchipped dogs and kittens filling them Because they are coming from people who do not consider they are a breeder and never obey the law, yet what they created was born, so it had a mum and a dad. so technically it was bred, even a cloned puppy is still carried and born to a surrogate mum. BUT since the majority THAT END UP IN POUNDS OR RESCUE dont have a chip, it actually cannot have come from a "breeder" as by law ALL BREEDERS must microchip EVERY puppy or kitten before it goes to its new home. its been law for over 30 years last I looked yet obviously not happening to the majority born to the real people flooding the pounds and rescues, who believe they are "non breeders"?????????????? Therefore the microchipping legislations does not apply to them. an oxymoron if ever there was one Has any? Politician busy drafting laws the invisibles will never comply with, been advised of this well documented, inescapable fact?

only god knows the answer to that one, it was born, so it had a mum and a dad. so technically it was bred, even a cloned puppy is still carried and born to a surrogate mum. BUT since the majority THAT END UP IN POUNDS OR RESCUE dont have a chip, it actually cannot have come from a "breeder" as by law ALL BREEDERS must microchip EVERY puppy or kitten before it goes to its new home. its been law for over 30 years last I looked yet obviously not happening to the majority born to "non breeders"?????????????? an oxymoron if ever there was one

they will ultimately be flown into Australia for supply people if the backyarders who never microchip and thus untraceable cant keep up with the demand as registered breeders give up due to more and more draconian laws to eliminate them continue.

its almost impossible for a newbie to find a registered breeder who will hand over main registration, the ethical, responsible mantra has been to be a dead end kennel. I have had people crying they have been so traumatised by conversations with previous breeders whose advertisement they had replied too. As tdierikx pointed out, the pounds are full of un microchipped dogs. every one of them has come from the real backyard invisible breeders. they are the real suppliers of puppies now. everyone else is being systematically eliminated

at the rate of decline in registered breeders the debate is soon irrelevant , australia has a population of over 26 million people, 40% have a pet dog. " Dogs continue to be Australia's most popular pets, with just over 5 million dogs across the nation. Forty per cent of Australian households have at least one dog (largely unchanged since 2016, at 38%). The average number of dogs per dog-owning household has also remained relatively steady at 1.3." Health research has proven over and over again the health benefits of pets of any species. Yet legislation led by the lunatic fringe to eliminate them keeps being drafted and passed? Why? Because even pet owners are caught up in the "we have to eliminated puppy farmers" this chant began with PETA, its been implanted in everyone's brains since 1980's when PETA began. no one in the whole almost 40 years now has defined a puppy farmer? The similarities to the Salem witch hunts is remarkable and still no one is catching on. People will find their pet, they want one, they need one and if the governments shut down every one that is a tracable breeder, which is the AR nutters ultimate aim. There are still millions of people with a female with a friend with a male , so they will never be on the radar willing and able to supply friends, family and by word of mouth. The AR's are creating a black market ultimately. we all know about Prohibition in america. How long that lasted. The era of the bootleg pets is coming.

actually it is rather interesting, curious and puzzle, all rolled into one. All the strangling laws the politicians have created to micro manage registered breeders into reducing the number of registered breeders has significantly reduced by the tens of thousands as have the number of puppies that can be bred? to the degree that finding a puppy from one of these breeders has led to waiting lists, in some cases for year or years. Yet it seems there is just as many, if not more dogs being surrendered than in the 1990"s? so 30 years to "eliminate puppy farmers" yet nothing has changed?

ITS AMAZING, they cant see it. they parrot ethical and responsible as if it were some magic spell? takes me back to the days when people wore garlic around their neck to ward off vampires? or was it witches? anyway they have the chant off pat. it sure drives many people away, so perhaps its working, so do we presume those repelled are vampires or witches???????????

I used to breed cavaliers, utterly adorable but after getting a new boy "from tested parents" he threw 2 with sm a few years apart, the 1st of mild, the 2nd was terribly affected at only 16 weeks and had to be put down to end her suffering. That for me that was the end of my breeding them anymore. No one can cope with a Russian roulette like that. the blame that was heaped on me was incredible. as if anyone would deliberately breed that? but so many breeders openly say that to be an ethical, responsible breeder you guarantee your pups for life. The inference that seems to be taken , that if anything bad does show up it is the breeders fault, not bad luck, as my vet says considering the billions of cells that make up a rapidly developing baby of any species its a miracle so many get it right. knowing no matter how careful you can be selecting the parents, to discover this happen, then be be asked how could you be so cruel to breed this puppy to suffer, when it had passed all vets checks as a baby by the vet , who incidentally they did not ring him and ask how could he be so incompetent not to have recognised this in the pup? Yet feel perfectly free to tell the breeder your unethical and irresponsible for having one develop this is just soul destroying. Cant do more than return their money on the spot, cant cure it and the guilt and anger directed means many will never breed again. as you said "There's never any guarantee with any dog breed or us, with health." but that has been completely forgotten in the rush to prove how ethical and responsible a member is. As a friend said only this year, " I am beginning to think the first requisite of an ankc member these days is stupidity, I dont think we belong here anymore!"

Yes. I will send you a private message. I know one breeder who MRI"s

australia's best kept secret. but then maybe that is good, if you dont know what your doing the acd trains you instead

my family has had many poodles, me included. sadly some lines are just that too bouncy, but none of ours were. I suspect two reasons, yes some are bred that way and from what I have heard very many these days. but .... I was asked to look after a friends girl.... gee she arrived with two pages of instructions for her diet and and founcy? yikes. as for food she was so picky. put her with my boy, down went the food bowels and anything she hadn't eaten by the time he was finished , disappeared in seconds. only took her three days to twig. eat whats on offer or it disappears. she liked to bark so was told to be quiet. that too only took four days. I looked after her for almost 4 weeks, by then she was as well behaved as my boy and my mums girl. nothing like the "highly strung" fruit loop that arrived. Her owners was incredulous how calm and confidant she was. so I suspect this breed is so smart they will train you if you dont realise it. although the last I bought, nup, rehomed her, she was acting like the other girl at even 8 weeks old and if you left her sight she went mental screaming, literally. something seriously wrong in the attic. she had been an impulse buy at the grace brother pet shop, I later learned her parents were crazy and thats why they sold the puppies to the pet shop, people took one look at the mad parents and left. you really need to see the parents when you are getting a puppy, if they dont have the temperament you want, keep looking. Ditto for Chi's, some lines are bitey barkers. Other lines are exactly as described by Persephone, Elfreda lines were noted for their wonderful natures. every dog came running to be patted. any of their descendants give the breed a good name.

WOW ! nsw parliament is a "toxic, unwelcoming workplace and this report is the first step to address and change this" "report finds systemic bullying" gee so many of my friends sure have known that the second someone pointed the finger with "puppy farmer" the cry! so at least the problem is pervading all levels of this nation not just ankc?

Interesting? Almost 2 weeks and not one of how many members has been motivated to show off their mums? I know there are at least 1,248 breeder members with puppies advertised for sale, so ? Would I be correct that sadly every one is afraid to share photos of their mums and bubs. Well, except when must take the risk of being judged as a possible puppy farmer when advertising their puppies? This was once a thriving forum. Now its just about dead as a dodo, just as the ANKC is heading so inextricably. As one commented , everyone has moved to face book. or as I like t call it FACEPLANT. You virtually find it impossible to find a thread you were interested in. there is no file to click on faceplant to find old and archived threads. like how to help swimmer puppies as one member here asked. Even worse their ignorant thought police can put you in fb jail simply because they haven't a clue what your talking about so instant jail (one made a comment about castrating males and jail they went) (seemed the thought police thought they meant human males) unless you can explain their mistake and often there is no appeal let alone explanation. Last but by no means least, you cant even mention, saints forbid that you want to sell or rehome a dog or puppy? Let alone an animal of any kind whatso ever SO why on earth make that egotistical billionaire even more money? As for the continual quest to prove how ethical and responsible you are by treating puppy searchers as potential puppy farmers ? You are driving them away in droves into the arms of the real puppy farms and backyard opportunists who wouldn't even dream of health let alone temperament being a priority. A lady drove all the way from Queensland, an 11 hour drive because she couldn't wait to see her puppy she had been waiting for over a year for her puppy. She wants to breed and show purebred. She wants to be an ANKC member. Yet in her search for her girl she discovered telling the truth meant either she was hung up on, or her calls and emails were never replied too. It took her 2 years to find someone who would even discuss it with her let alone consider showing her their puppies? Thanks to all the rules she couldn't even apply for her prefix until she had her girl puppy. She already knew when she wanted a male where she was coming, she was very particular what she wanted and knew she would get a call when one like him turned up. She was just as particular what she wanted in her girl. NO wonder the ankc member ship is imploding. Very few newbies are as determined and patient as this lady. Is there any chance enough will wake up and welcome newbies instead of this ever smothering suspicion? You are doing the ar nutters work in ending the gene pool of the breeds you profess to love?

HILARIOUS isnt it, the standard writers seem unaware no blue dog can have a black nose. The nose can only blue Same applies to a chocolate of any breed as well. the nose can only be chocolate. well unless you want to get the vet to tattoo it black? as some do to prevent cancer on a pink nose or ears, ive seen it done to a friends cat. after they lost their previous white to cancer

you have to make sure what bedding your puppy is on is easy to grip with the little paws. slippery and cannot get off chest. also keep laying the pup on its side. make sure its always sleeping on its side. time consuming but the benefits are speeds up the breastbone and ribs returning to normal, same for the pelvis and hips going back to correct angles again, the quicker you spot it the faster its back to normal. usually the causes are slippery footing, a hollow or fold in the bedding puppy gets stuck on its chest and the fatter the puppy the quicker it develops. massage to both sides while on its side helps a lot too, their bones are only cartlidge at that stage remember

MY BOY could cut dogs as fast as he could cut cattle. he would wait till they came running up behind him thinking they could grab him from behind, then he would spin and land with forefeet either side of the stunned dog and teeth snapping in its face.......... few came back for seconds................. he even loved to cut wild rabbits! I kid you not. staying on as he ran, sat, spun, ran, sat spun with his head this low is harder than being on a rollercoaster

Luna in the video is wearing white pastern boots. and next photo are bay with no white feet. Luna in the second photo is a chestnut with one white sock and narrow star and short strip Luna in the third photo is a chestnut with blaze face right to the nose and three white legs. so there is Luna 1 Luna 2 and Luna 3

weird? the owner gave no details and ran off? so how on earth can u fine someone if you have no idea who they are? obviously the horse owner has 3 horses and wanted the world to see all 3 of them

mmmm the breed standard specifically states, suspicious of strangers...... until I tell mine the stranger is ok, If no one is home, they either wont let them in . Or if they do let them in the gate and then wont let the leave. which can be rather embarrassing if im not home for a couple of hours or more!

they are a breed that if you do not train them, they will train you. THAT is a given. As for not good with small children? my daughter was gven Berrilyn Blue Debutaunt by Hilton Sinclair, the day she was born, by the time the pair of them were six months, Debbie was guarding daughters nappy when she discarded it, Her dad went to pick it up and Debbie put her paw on it clearly telling hubby, "U dont touch my masters nappy!" That puppy would protect my child with her life. same as her great grand mum Blue who Hilton Sinclair had given to my husbands first born son 17 years before. She too tolerated Pauls rough house play, the brat at 3 and 3 stone was caught sitting on blue who although gasping for breath did not tell him to get off, his dad gave him the hiding for being rough to Blue. They are amazing kids dogs, if it isn't, its not a true cattledog. They dont just herd cattle, they were bred to guard your home and anything with your scent on it. saddle, horse, clothe's car, truck AND CHILDREN. when Pauls daughter Emma was born, one sniff and Benny and Rosie added newborn Emma to the protected list. In fact from the day they brought her home from hospital, neither slept at the end of Paul and Sue's bed. from that day they slept at the door to emma's room. when Paul found them missing that first night. both were asleep below Emma's cot. so he shut the door to keep them out but they would not leave the door. (no baby should be left unattended with a dog of ANY BREED) So they could only guard the door. Never forget Paul phoning me to tell me "I owe u an apology, I always thought your story of your dads dog blue was bull shit, Now I know its true!" Sue Emma's mum decided to take her out in the pram for a walk. neither Benny or Rosie would walk at heel, both insisted in walking beside the front of the pram. Both Sue and Paul wondered why the people walked towards they crossed the road? So Paul crossed the road and walked level with Benny and Rosie. soon as the people coming towards them got within 25 feet. both dogs smiled, showing their teeth and............ the people crossed the road. (Same as people had done when my dad sent me to the shop, with a note n money, with his dog blue from when I was 7) trait of the true blue Australian cattle dog. guard the kids. it was a pain though when playing with my friends, if we had an argument that turned into a fight, Blue, (dads dog) would push over and sit on the aggressor. end of fight. As the eldest and biggest, I was the one getting sat on. so no hope of winning the argument, sigh.

Connie with her first litter, obviously not 8 weeks yet, 12 of them, also some 9 years ago. Her mum was bred by Arizona, Her dad Ch Itsozi Out of the Blue. Connie is my only non Berrilyn descended female line and fits so well with them. one of her daughters is Red Foxi Lady, By Ch Pureheel Royal Echo, she won 8 best in shows for her thrilled owner, a blue sister, sorry forget her name won 4 best in show or best in breed

thanks tdierikx , figured how to reduce it. Mareeba the blue whale. gee this pic is some 9 years ago