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such happy news, now to get him to fess up as to where hes been and whats hes been up too.

They are still dogs right? Dogs are living animals and as such may have flaws, quirks, failings. There are no perfect living things. maybe im getting it wrong, but seems the infernece is registered breeders are supposed to have perfect ones? with no realisation that all animals have their own personality regardless of who bred them or raised them . well remember a litter of 9 and one black and tan girl steadfastly stayed in the bed they were raised refusing to leave even to try food as they grew older. she was a loner no matter how much attention was paid to her, then at 2 years after her owner had began to despair all she ever wanted to do was watch the world go by, began to interact with the other dogs and the family. by 3 she was happlily part of the group. but as a puppy, she was a worry.

so right, my uncle had a pet male raised when his mum was hit by a car, living in the outback, eg station out of Inverell, there was no way he could be stopped from returning to the homestead but he was very docile so he was allowed to stay, and came and went over the years with no problems. except one day a drunken shearer decided to box him and hit him so hard blood came from his nose and one ear. he shook his head, leaped forward, grabbed the shearer round the torso and in one stoke disembowled him. the idiot died and the roo had to be shot for everyones safety. incredibly sad for all concerned. just watch a video of a roo fight and realise never let a roo grab you or grab at you. they are very good at defence, deadly defence. never take a roo for granted.

They can tell a dogs external heath - glowing coat, good muscle tone and fitness, clear and bright eyes, happy in itself etc. They can assess a dogs basic mental health - happy to be there, bright, aware, comfortable in what it is doing. They can assess a dogs structural health - how it meets the structural standard for the breed, how the dogs structure supports or hinders its ability to do its job, how the dog moves, that it is happy and comfortable moving at a pace and in a style suitable for the breed. They can NOT assess long term genetic or internal health or look into a crystal ball and see how the dog will be health-wise tomorrow or a year from now. But that is not the role of a dog show judge. A judge is there to judge TO THE STANDARD. The standard does not address health isses beyond the types of things I have listed above which can be assessed EXTERNALLY on the dog in front of the judge. Any further assessment of health is carried out by the breeder, sometimes under the auspices of official and formal schemes run by the ANKC, breed club or other organisations and sometimes not. Assessment in accordance with the standard by a show judge is just part of it and never ever have dog shows set themselves up to be a one stop shop assessment of all elements of the 'health' of a dog :thumbsup: "Assessment in accordance with the standard by a show judge is just part of it and never ever have dog shows set themselves up to be a one stop shop assessment of all elements of the 'health' of a dog" I remember being told something along those lines once, when i queried how could a dog well actually two dogs become australian champions with three hernia's in another case again two dogs, was looking after them for friends on holiday and my 7 yr old visitor asked whats wrong with them. as i was going to the vet for one of mine i took the pair just to make sure they were ok, i had noticed they moved funny myself. grade 4 patella was the answer. if a 7 yr old child could see something was not normal. i asked how could they win 100 challenge points? to be told by a judge the above. with the additional comment judges are not vets. as for the hernias? where is making champions with these bettering any breed? walked away shaking my head and still wondering

how weird? it double posted

was that the arab stallion who used to do endurance races when he was in his late 20's? Cant recall his name but I think I'd know if it I heard it. fancy remembering that. it was so many years ago. this ones name was Aeneas and he won 5 tom quilty 100 mile buckles without a single vetout. considering the average vetout rate was 60% n more. then went on to win ironwoman races against horses a third his age. with margins of half and 1/4 of a mile Yep, that's the one! Aeneas I believe he was dual registered as an Australian Stock Horse. What is your connection to him? Yes he was. He was my best freind, partner and forever is in my heart. He brought me out on the other side of a very hard peroid of my life. Thank you

was that the arab stallion who used to do endurance races when he was in his late 20's? Cant recall his name but I think I'd know if it I heard it. fancy remembering that. it was so many years ago. this ones name was Aeneas and he won 5 tom quilty 100 mile buckles without a single vetout. considering the average vetout rate was 60% n more. then went on to win ironwoman races against horses a third his age. with margins of half and 1/4 of a mile

awesome reminds me of this photo, the horse is 26 years old

Sorry. but showing a dog by the very nature of its activity is a great way to socialise a dog. Where do you get unsocialised Show Dogs??? you would think so, but with a breed whose very standard says, suspicious of strangers, doesnt mean its not socalised, it does mean it doesnt go wagging its tail to strangers... sadly judy guards rehomed one that started judys nighmare didnt like the vet and everything went down hill from there, including said vet convincing the new owner the dog needed to be euthanised.. such a sad outcome on all fronts. when will some like that vet realise a dog does have rights to not like everyone...seems that dog was a very good judge of character in hindsight.

how apalling, so everything old is new again. never forget everyones horror some 50 yrs ago when the neighbours cat dissappeared only to be discovered when he returned home all his claws and teeth had been pulled out. didnt take einstein to figure what his intended fate had been. the good news was he led a happy and contented life for a further ten years and no...no stranger could get within a 100 mtrs of him either anymore.

so how do you define "sound decisions" been reading a thread on a suspected HD puppy. didnt take long to suspect the ethics of the breeder. "She was xrayed by the vet and there is no actual bone damage yet (as far as he could tell, and they looked perfectly fine to me), he just said there would be if she didn't get the weight off and stop over doing it with jumping, walking on back legs and running as her ligaments(?) are way too long, allowing her hips to pop in and out. I did contact the breeder a couple of months ago as she was already 6 kilos at 4 months (from memory, not sure exactly) and I was worried. Her reply was that the other puppies in the litter were also that weight. Obviously getting the sinking feeling that I have paid a puppy farmer." then wonders of wonders it was discovered pup is super gangly growing phase and very overweight for age. so no one is safe. considering how many 0 dogs and bitches can and do produce varying degrees of HD in the susceptable breeds and even some that its rarely seen can have it happen. i know of a pup was never better than the runt, the breeder spent mega time giving it every chance but it was one third the size of its litter mates . it was sold to a pet home at only the cost of its vaccinations as the breeder was concerned about its size suspecting dwarfism or something like that although it passed all its puppy checks fine but by 12 months was diagnosed with a form of hd. although no op was needed. bingo one unethical breeder. having bred best in show winners and never one like it before is no protection from your reputation down the gurglier with one disaster. so is a puppy farmer anyone who has a subsound pup ever turn up? that will rule out every breeder sooner or later, thats how breeding works. there is a very old saying.....put the best to the best and hope, for the best.....what does that mean? you have absolutely no guarantees the progeny will turn out half as good as the parents. and why does the story of the ugly duckling exist? because so many ugly duckings can turn out to be the swan, leaving an awful lot with egg on their faces. so if you ever breed you better realise one day (unless you never sell a pup) the day WILL COME, when you will be accused of being a puppy farmer................

waiting with baited breath.... that should be real interesting steve..........

Paypal. Thanks she doesnt want to pay using paypal... as you get the fees with it. Will tell her direct deposit You have to pay more for an international money transfer anyway. Pay pal is instant and clears straight away. the other can take days. exactly. why pay 30 for a $160 bank cheque for nz when paypal is a fraction of that?

how incredibly sad he didnt make it to the same trees he told his wife too.

you poor thing. some vet nurses,, some vets too for that matter need a lesson in manners. bit of humaity too at times. never forget the vet who had the hide to tell me any dog that cant tolerate ivermectin should die, that would eliminate the weak from the breed. also told me same thing about my chihuahua litter that he killed, he vaccinated them all with the full one ml dose, knowing his boss (he was a new employee) only ever vaccinated my 7 week old ones with half a mil as we had found too many died otherwise. the only satisfaction i got was he was fired. all 4 of my beautiful bitch pups died, being their mums last litter, n only daughters didnt help the grieving either.

I cant remember a time ive ever referred to a pup as pet quality? how many times have we kept what we at the time thought was the pick of the litter. Remember it IS the breeder who does get first pick. hands up how many have seen others from the same litter turn out better than your "pick" puppy? I ask, do you want a pet? or to show? If a pup has a fault that will put it down the line i say so and show that that fault is. But even then the swan can transform into the duckling and the duckling become the swan. even decided to hedge my bets and get the advice of not one but two international judges. the result? the worst pup in the litter by 9 months perfect mouths can go wrong. glorious bodies can go oooops imperfect mouths can become MAGNIFICANT.. gawky heads legs etc etc can do what? but already desexed so..live n learn nothing is black and white the only ones who havent seen it havent seen their puppies again as adults would be my suspicion.

one thing not mentioned is the large number sold as "pets" which in fact are show quality. There are far more people who are looking for a quality pet. People who want a "show" quality pup (to actually show it) are the minority. The majority are people with or without children who want a beautiful puppy. Others are happy to take a puppy with a fault. Others Want a puppy that looks like it belongs in the show ring. They have no wish to show, or breed but want a puppy as good as they can get. As a breeder, what greater reward than to see a magnificant representaive of their kennel out and about in public. turning heads where ever they go. To be honest. Where do you think your dog will be most noticed? At a show where the majority present are breeders themselves?

I agree Crisovar, personally I find the term 'furbaby' far more offensive than 'pet quality'. personally i find it hilarious. set a litter loose. let the family who "nly want a pet" take their pick, so who do they unerringly point too? your favourite in the entire litter.....every single time. I don't allow buyers to select their own puppy, I always decide which puppy is the most suitable for each family and anyone who comments on my 'furbabies' earns my instant disapproval excellent way to decide on which one the breeder should keep though if any doubts which one instead of eeny, meenie, miny, moe. learnt very quickly.. never leave the one you intend to keep anywhere it can be spotted.

I agree Crisovar, personally I find the term 'furbaby' far more offensive than 'pet quality'. personally i find it hilarious. set a litter loose. let the family who "nly want a pet" take their pick, so who do they unerringly point too? your favourite in the entire litter.....every single time. who says Pets are lesser dogs? I sure dont. in the case of the toy breeds in particular. for goodness sake thats what they are AND WERE bred for IN THE FIRST PLACE. P E T S..... The show scene is a new additon to the landscape in the real time frame sceme of things.

your thinking and reasoning is very good. problem is we are dealing with a group who like to constantly remind us that if you breed to cover costs. let alone ever admit to making a profit? is to be labled a puppy farmer. we all know puppy farmers have to be eliminated. sooooo. bit of a no win situation. unless that mind set can be changed thats just the beginning of a multitude of problems. Had a very interesting afternoon. Met a lovely lady with an adorable teeny Teacup Chihuahua puppy. "Her" breeder only ever uses 1.2 kg and under parents to keep the breed pure. i remember reading that 4 to 6 lbs being the best breeding size. looked it up and it equats to 4 lb = 1.81436 kg to 6 lb = 2.72155 kg. yet as she said. her puppy is perfectly healthy as is her parents and siblings, so why not breed for this size they are so much nicer. how on earth do you answer that kind of question? AND get them to listen? Let alone understand?

had the same thoughts. what a lovely dog. AND WHAT great teeth he still had.

having had to break up two fights some years ago did what i had seen my dad do. two people. one grabbed one dog by the tail and hind leg and the other person did the same. a third hosed the dogs heads to make it hard for them to breathe in all that water and when they let go to get a mouthfull of air they were pulled apart. no one was hurt. not impressed when a few days later the other dog got out again but the fight was successfully parted same way. although in that case was alone but my dog was thankfully on a chain so grabbed the neighbours dog by his tail and held the hose on their faces with the water on hard and it worked to make them let go. again the neighbours dog made no attempt to bite me. once i had them sepearted. well i was ready to shove the hose in his mouth if he was thinking of it. when will people ever get taught you dont grab fighting dogs by the collar or anywhere near the head? as for those who think hitting them round the head is going to sepearate them...sheesh just sends em nuts, wonder if they think its the other dog hurting them and decide to get stuck into them even more? any behavourists know? and even more important.. is there better ways than what my dad did? really this information is certainly not out there is it?

this is serious or could end up so. i would be calling the police whenever you see them wandering. for their own safety and a naked child can certainly get hurt in more ways than one. there was a child in our neighbourhood lost the lot when he decided to urinate through a fence. the dog on the other side bit the lot off. not a wives tale to scare kids. a family member is married to one of the family whose dog did the bite. a horror no one should have to cope with regardless of who is at fault.

oh that poor man.

lol looks like quite a few develop such accuracy. how many remember the gorilla at toronga park zoo?