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I'm sorry but Kangaroos should be able to feed on any patch of grass they want. This is the sentiment that really frustrates me... us humans need to co-exist with wild (native/indigenous) animals not exclude them for economic/financial gain. Anyway this is going off-topic, I think we have answered the original question. I'm out of here not entirely actually, most domesticated dingo's come from litters found when farmers are eradicating the parents from their stock. How many visitors to country stations end up taking home a dingo pup or baby kangaroo whose mum was either shot or run over. as an awful lot come out of national parks before their unfortunate meetings with landholders or cars, then the survivors can end up in pet homes and adjust remarkably well. I dont know of any domesticated species of roo's? but they sure tame well. My only objection was when some decide to "mark"/pee near the house. it smells just as bad as mouse pee except the volume means the stink is expeditionaly stronger. Pet Dingo's dont stink the place out.

you don't need to look up official surveys. Just ask every one you meet, is your dog a registered purebred? I know the answers, Ive done the asking. My reasearch has been around if not more of the percentages quoted. for example I think there were less than 70 registered pure bred Stumpy Tailed cattledogs, anywhere. When classification was started to select 'foundation' dogs to breed back upto ANKC registration I think from memory some 3,000 dogs turned up for classification. so the hidden gene pool is immense compared to the 'registered' gene pool. without even touching on pound numbers and their stats.

you are also forgetting that it is also true that 90% of "breeds" eg pits,dobermans,rotties and german shepherds, just to name some are not or ever from ANKC breeders. the majority of our "breeds" are bred by the unknown, untracable breeders . they are not expected to 'inform' the purchaser of the puppy being handed over found this link http://www.leabashiba.com/german_shepherd_dog_club_austral.htm you can still find the original dogs still in existance among the australian backyard population. I expect such dogs will be used to "save" the ANKC breeds like was done with the Stumpy Tailed Cattledog. (there was in the end only one registered breeder of STC's if you dont know that) if they do not end up closed down as a registry due to insufficient number of both breeds and breeders.

trouble is the solution seems to be, get rid of the ANKC breeders . then decide IF that solved the problem. getting a bit away from the dingo issue to a degree maybe

"Preaching to the choir on that. However you're the one who made a blanket statement that it "should be harder for breeders". Crikey, how much harder do you want it to be for responsible breeders when there are plenty of "breeders" out there who don't pay any attention to the laws they are subject to now??? " EXACTLY haredownwippets. a significant proportion of the untraceabl's neither vaccinate nor microchip nor for that matter even worm the parents let alone the pups. let alone one of their dogs ever see a vet in its lifetime. get impounded? get another from the same source it came from

exactly"There are no simple answers to complex problems and "desex em all" only harms the responsible. Vets cant' desex dogs they never see and a not insignificant proportion of the sources of unwanted dogs fit into that category." Remember being told by a local vet. That the source of sudden parvo outbreaks after strong windstorms was because for example "Mt Druitt has the largest population of unvaccinated dogs in the Sydney basin" drive the streets of that suburb and they are filled with loose dogs. scan the for sale sites at the local supermarkets and theres every breed you could imagine avaiable for purchase and a pretty nominal amount on the main, although pitt bulls tend to command the highest prices listed. I cannot recall many logotto listed on dogzonline. Saw a entire litter listed at my local supermarket which certainly was not in Mt Druitt. as said, 80 percent of dogs are not bred by registered breeders. 99 percent of australian cattledogs never came from a ankc parent many not ever descended from one in any generation

That is never going to happen. so do we all just stop trying evrytime something is difficult?? - seems a bit defeatist Alright, you go out and try to keep a wandering hunting dog on a particular protected parcel of land, when slow moving sheep are just over there, you take all the farmer's guns so that he can't shoot the dingoes when they don't notice that they've walked into unprotected land and kill his stock, you take all his dogs away so that there's never any chance of a dingo to dog mating and he can just bring the stock in without dogs. Exactly. This is the real world, national parks dont have dog proof fences, they dont even have kangaroo proof fences. I remember counting 200 kangaroos in among a friends cattle one morning. His property was beside what????????? National Park. Imagine the screaming if he then allowed his cattle to shift into the next neighbours for a feed now the National park kangaroo's had cleaned his place out of feed? we dont live in the ideal world.

Do not mistake me. That is definitely not what I believe is the right thing to do with a dingo kept as a pet. She was an exceptional girl. There could have been instead a very busy dingo, cleaning out every chook yard within travel distance. As well as every pet and wild bird and rabbit catchable or pen it could break into. The same happens though with just about every other breed of dog allowed to roam. Certainly NOT just Dingo's. My pet rabbit or her run wasn’t torn to pieces by the dingo next door. That slaughter was done by the German shepherd from over the road. Only recently one of my neighbors’ goats were torn apart and still left alive by a German Shepherd who’s owner emphatically denied it ever left his yard. He did not have much to say when it was shot some days later back inside the goats paddock when it returned for another go at them.

As for the original topic, people have kept Dingo's as pets ever since Australian settlement, with none of the related problems associated with the importation of the dog fighting breeds. So I do not understand why they should be descriminated against, there has always only been a small segment of the population attracted to keeping a dingo and even if what would seem completely unsuitable hands, eg my neighbour,(they never fenced her in, she could go when or where she pleased in a completely suburban environment, since they lived on the corner of a main road, she early displayed the quick learning by never being run over, she preferred to stay home, patrol her home yard and to a lesser degree the surrounding footpath, visited only the nearer neighbours, there was never a problem with their dingo.

Gee, thanks for taking the trouble. Yes it’s very hard. I for one was aghast when even the first pit bull was allowed into the country. The feral’s already had their status dogs. Adding these guys as well as the other's that have been named, to the gene pool was a disaster in the making and it has proven to be just that. There is no fix now, it’s never going to be just the dangerous ones targeted . I have no idea what solution could be found. As it is, the peta/rspca (rspca sent out letter's to all members warning that Peta intended infiltrating and taking over) faction intends the whole solution will be no canines of any breed let alone x bred’s. The war on pedigrees once won, it is being won, make no mistake about that. Just look at the falling numbers of registered breeders. Once they have been taken care of it will be every canine targeted next for elimination. Find me a vet who does not advocate desexing of all that enter their surgery? There is no encouragement for anyone to breed. Seems they don't twig, once there are no breeders they are out of a job within the lifespan of those left? As I understand it, there is now legislation either in place or being drafted (cant remember) that "Hoarding" is now a legal justification for removing someones animals. the defination being more than X number on the property. Doesnt matter how good their condition. How many have been told that anyone who breeds and does not keep any of their elder dogs are puppy farmers? Those who do keep the previous generation, will fall under 'hoarders'.

Regarding what you said in red, yes I know this is true, these types of dogs are a race apart from the ones belonging to responsible people. The parents and pups are selected for aggression; many for generations, these dogs are just about a subspecies of the breed they are descended from. That is why I don’t support BSL. Visually you cannot tell the difference. Temperamentally though, a world apart. When I was a child there were parts of the town I grew up in that you simply did not go there unless with a friend who was part of that world. Or the dogs would not be called off if they went for you. The attack on sight ones that could not be called off, usually lived out their lives on chains until wanted. I am stumped how you can feel dingo’s can be lumped into that group at all, they are nothing like those dogs whatsoever. The ones I have met have assimilated easily, only those who know dingo’s have recognised what they are. Joe public wouldn’t have a clue. ACD's display many of the same traits, that’s why the dingo was added to their genes. They are smart, intuitive, certainly not by nature savage, although ACD’s certainly will protect whatever they perceive as their owners property (even a soiled nappy, discarded by it's toddler) and their owner. Although there are still failures, I well remember a lady asking if she put her ACD in pup maybe that would make her more maternal towards her new baby. THAT is definatly NOT ACD temprement. She could not let her ACD into the same room as her new baby, she would immediately seek to attack the child. It was very hard to get her to understand, that dog was dangerous and not to be bred from, or ever allowed access to her child. (My own parents and anyone I knew would have put the dog down as not worth the risk, she would not consider that). By contrast when our grandchildren were born, both Rosie and Benni took one sniff at the new arrivals and any time our daughter in law took the babies out in the stroller there were two "guard" dogs stationed either side of her and the stroller, eyeing off any one else in the street. Just in case, as Benni and Rosie would have told you.

I agree with you it is the people who use dogs as an ego tool that need legislating about. Breeching Civil Liberties is a very hard accusation to get past. I think the politicians took the easier route. targeting the breeds of dog instead of the mindset of such people who teach their dogs to be weapons. any breed can be set to be a weapon of attack, but different breeds and types have cyclonic times of fashion. Some are petrifyingly efficient. I think i would rather be attacked by a toy poodle, chi or any other smrf than a pit bull, rottie, dobe or german shepherd which have tended to be the breeds of choice , although now the neo and logoto have been added to the mix, pig dogs in all their forms are popular as well. aust cattledogs id rather face too, id rather my ankle or leg gone for than torn to the ground and shredded, like the afore mentioned breeds, yes i was born to acd's in the yard. ,the highest bite i can recall from a very affonted dog was the backside of a vet who insisted he would not allow anyone to carry his bag to the car. He had just vaccinated the dogs. It was dad's turn to be affonted when the vet had the hide to send dad the bill for his new suit. holes in the coat and the trouser's apparently. Dads dogs were guard dogs in the true and real sense. no one was allowed to put anything in their vehicles except the staff. All the customers knew the rules, the staff sure did, the dogs knew the rules. the vet was a nit. they were the days before video camera to prevent theft. very effective. :) shoplifting just didnt happen well that was in the 50's though another world now isnt it.

So because Azaria (RIP) was killed by a dingo, an individual dingo, you are now condemning the whole dingo race as wild, untrustworthy creatures that should remain where they are? I fear you have had very little to do with a well raised pet dingoes. sorry missed that the first time - YES, YES, YES thats EXACTLY and ALL i am saying. someone finally gets it. OK don't get rude. since your reply in purple to what is said in red then how can what you said be interpreted as any but pro Breed Specific Legislation? getting all snarly doesnt change that. actually it wasnt me who decided you must be a troll. believe it or not others in the house were reading it too. made the suggestion and found the song for you. incidently that chap is a world famous singer. worth listening too anyway. far more children (and adults) have died from the attacks of known domestic breeds if the papers are to be believed. The excuse for the introduction of BSL in the first place. then you cite one and condem a race? Same mindset, same waste of innocent lives for any that are judged to 'look' like. might be worth the effort to remove a littlie of the froth n foam from your previous post just realised you said "proffesional BSL troll"? In the debates I and the family n friends there has always been the Pro side and the Con side. Pro BSL means 'FOR BSL' Pro means 'for' and con means 'against'

the reason many now chip the pups directly into the new owners name has nothing to do with "hiding" it is all to do with not having to issue double paperwork per pup and if the new owner does not pay the registration the councils may take from 5 to 7 years to notice and who has to tell them where that pup they bred that long ago now is? with no informtion bar the chip number to go on? I well remember the panic of one friend sent a list of some 14 dogs and trying to find 5 to 7 year old record books n the chips are not in numerical order. in my case i took 3 hours over the deadline to advise the dog with that number was dead. so copped a 168 fine for dog that had died 6 years before.no ifs buts or appeal either.... so keep your records where you can find them no matter how old. i have never put any but the owner ever since. be it a buyer or me if i kept it.

[quote name=orrd' timestamp='1350369506' post='5988028] So because Azaria (RIP) was killed by a dingo, an individual dingo, you are now condemning the whole dingo race as wild, untrustworthy creatures that should remain where they are? I fear you have had very little to do with a well raised pet dingoes. sorry missed that the first time - YES, YES, YES thats EXACTLY and ALL i am saying. someone finally gets it. Oh , so we have a pro BSL troll in our Midst

Thank goodness, you are wondering the same as me. As to the confusion as to whether the Australian Dingo is a "wild" or feral dog. One must look at the orign of the animal. This extract from a journal article written by Savolainen et al. (2004) can give some in sight (please see full reference at the bottom of this post.) " The dingo originated from a population of East Asian dogs. Type A29 was one of several domestic dog mtDNA types brought into Island Southeast Asia, but only A29 reached Australia. The dingo population was probably founded from a small number of animals, as the last trickle of domestic dogs through a series of bottlenecks, or even by a single chance event and has since remained effectively isolated from other dog populations. The dingoes may have arrived in connection with the expansion, starting ≈6,000 yr ago, from south China into Island Southeast Asia of the Austronesian culture. By this time, domestic dogs had existed for several thousand years (4, 11), and the present semidomestic state of the dingo can probably be attributed to a long existence as a feral animal. After >3,500 years of isolation, the dingoes represent a unique isolate of early undifferentiated dogs. " From this we can conclude that the dingo is not a truly wild breed of dog, but semidomesticated to feral breed. Hence more likely to integrate well into a cohabitation enviroment with humans. Anecdotal evidence has shown that dingo can be a more sociable animal than some recognized breeds of domestic dog. Savolainen, P. Leitner, T. Wilton, A,N. Matisoo-Smith,E. Lundeberg, J. (2004) A detailed picture of the origin of the Australian dingo, obtained from the study of mitochondrial DNA. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. Vol. 101 no. 33 12387-12390 Link to full article below. http://www.pnas.org/content/101/33/12387.full

do i take it you feel he should have let her die that day? well does that mean you feel your opinion is more valid than that of those who choose to save a life? What make you think your opinion is more valid than that of those who do not have the same? maybe its my turn to go, eh????

well? you did ask who and why would someone 'want' a dingo. as my neighbour fitted neither of your categories. neither has most people ive met who ended up with one.

mmm come to think of it, there a lot of people too dumb to ever end up any but the servant of an acd. they arent for the lap dog lovers. leave one of these guys to their own devices and the games can be somewhat destructive and thats saying a lot. their jaws are just as strong as a dingo. just survey your boots after being rounded up and used as dental floss. or even worse your best going out shoes

erm, i dont own a purebred dingo never have. unless you count the Australian Cattledog? the neighbour did not go seeking to have a dingo. he felt sorry for the little golden pup about to have its brains knocked out against the pub bar. she came home with him, she had a happy life and no one but the few who knew her story were any the wiser. that tends to be the story behind the majority of surburban dingos. that add is the first ive ever seen for any 'for sale' and it was brought to my attention where? here at least they are a pure breed so it at least fits the forum guidelines. I live with a ex jackaroo, many of his friends are what the kids (now adults) call "bushie heros". these men grew up in a world no city slikers knows existed. my friend Les Ellery drove his first bullock team at 8 years old. held his first full time job at 11. my hubby is of the same generation as are his mates and workmates, I have a pool of knowledge to draw on that is beyond any google search. hubby was looking through a window one day watching some surgeons hooking up to do a op. they were short of an anesethist, he got hooked into the room and on the job training, who were they and what where they doing? learning to do heart transplants. no guesses who these amazing men were surely. only recently he was in hospital and a doctor couldnt get the vein in hubbys arm. after enduring half a dozen aborted (n by the look of agony on his face not too gentle) attempts hubby offered to teach the now flustered doctor how to 'tap for a vein'. lesson finished instant insertion, the fully qualified doc couldnt believe how easily it could be done when taught properly. this ole chap has taught generations of vets how to do the same thing yet he has no PHD. the knowledge of these men is awesome and as i was told by bill law, you never stop learning until your dead. have fun kiddies

http://www.dingoconservation.org.au/dingo-social.html This is exactly how Rokeglen Red Rhyme (main registered Red cattledog) would feed her pups the minute she considered they were ready for meat. Pity the selected menu item was invariably my best layer. the chooks were safe anyother time........sigh still miss the ole girl , got her in 1983. she sure was a goodun, a yank offered me 3,000 for her the minute he saw her. I believe her descendants are scattered round the globe now, he bought all the pups a friend had bred from one of her daughters as well as the daughter when i didnt want to sell. "The gestation period is sixty three days and the average litter size is three to five pups. The entire pack will care for the young, regurgitating meat to pups as young as three weeks of age. Pups will commence eating solids at approximately three weeks of age and will often be weaned by the time they are six weeks of age."

here u go http://www.dingoconservation.org.au/dingo-physical.html

forget where but theres a population of em just dont remember where. n dont forget the occasional white one.....loverly sure puts the smarts into the crosses the owners tell me.

Because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't make their 'tone' grating (how you read tone into a post written on a forum is totally up to you anyway). While I might not agree with all their points, I too am against the vast majority of people keeping exotic/wild animals for pets too. It isn't for the animals benefit - it is for the person's. A camp dingo is very different from a dingo living in the burbs because 'OMG it is soooo cute". I find their tone grating because they're labeling everyone who has a pet dingoes as selfish attention seekers basically. A lot of people would disagree with having a LGD as a family pet in suburbia as well, it doesn't mean it can't happen and it certainly doesn't mean you want it for status or "novelty". If people can provide a dingo with a good life, with everything it needs, then it sure beats being shot by a farmer. Dingoes are NOT wolves, Dingoes are descended from domestic Asiatic dogs and are basically feral and not truly wild. The notion that everyone who owns a dingo is cruel is what I find grating. how on earth walking a dingo anywhere could be construed as 'attention seeking" beats me. 99.9 % of people wouldnt even realise that goldi looking mutt was a dingo, most would think it was a cattledog n missedout on the mottling. the black and tans easily pass for a kelpie. n saints preserve us its no accident either, I sure know the cattledog is part dingo. ditto for some kelpies

thank goodness the dingo will never attract the attention of the macho's who just have to have a pit bull or any of the other fighting breeds as an extension of their egos. they tend to be the owners of the attacking breeds, far too many even encourage their dogs to be agressive, these are the people who put these breeds into the headlines. making life a misery for the good responsible owners of these same breeds. no dingo would contribute to a scary image or attract the dog fighting fraternity luckily for them.