asal

thrilled with mine but its not going on just the dog , if im out riding after dark worked out a way to drape it around neddys butt and the collar as a noseband. drivers scare me witless. a flashing neddy might turn the tables this time I hope. specially made ones for neddies cost mega

I find it hard to understand how Baird can listen to coleman openly stating he will be killing tens of thousands of greyhounds because according to him they are hard to rehome, yet shutting down the industry because a fraction of that are put down for not being fast enough? If they are hard to rehome then it's a fairly large fraction that are put down for not being fast enough, after all they don't race until they die of old age, they all stop winning and become wastage at some point in their lives due to the nature of the industry, unless they go on to breed or the owners actually really do love their dogs and keep them as pets. As for other welfare issues, diversion is not a useful tactic, not sure why people still do it, do they expect that suddenly people will let one issue drop and chase after another just because someone has pointed out that there other other serious welfare issues in the world? I'm not a fan of fishing I think it will eventually go the way of the dodo and live baiting, but I don't see the point of shouting "what about xyz?!" in response to focus on one issue. wasn't intended as a diversion, watching the fishing show and had no idea they did that until I saw it. used to have a fire eel as a teen, she knew the minute I entered the room and would race madly to the top to remind me time to be fed. never took any notice of my brothers or sister. so many animals are amazingly aware and smart, so many humans seriously underestimate the animals around us. much as I love my dogs never seen a dog work out a puzzle but my pig could. one of my horses could undo not only slide bolts but the supposedly stock proof gate chains

I find it hard to understand how Baird can listen to coleman openly stating he will be killing tens of thousands of greyhounds because according to him they are hard to rehome, yet shutting down the industry because a fraction of that are put down for not being fast enough? Then watching a fishing show where the chap deliberately shoves a hook thought a bait fishes lip and tosses it out to be snapped up by the species hes after. there is an incredible double standard going on here, baiting dogs makes me sick and those who do it should be prosecuted all dogs regardless of breed like to chase be it bags or balls, those who use some poor live animal are apalling, but to me that poor fish is being made to suffer unnecessarily and its on national tv? Does my head in one means everyone and their greyhounds are punished and the other is screened as the norm???????

have u seen this one.. typical behavior but perhaps too keen if he cant notice the human isn't umm human? https://www.facebook.com/Unexpected.Ent/videos/692798214070066/ no doubting he has a hyper keen chase instinct though? perhaps he needs better glasses?

pretty disgusting all right

thats what puzzles me about those who think a greyhound isn't the same too ? The ones I knew loved running, ok only have three friends who raced theirs they had cats and one her daughter had a guinea pig and a rabbit and the dog didn't given them a look, but throw their play toy and off flat chat after it. my dads cattledogs will chase a ball, all day everyday. One preferred sticks, the bigger the better. One day he dragged home a peach tree a neighbor chopped down and expected us to throw it for him. My mum had a poodle that couldn't wait for the ball to come out , the quickest way the get her overexcited was to ask her "wheres your ball" she would ransack the place till she found it if you were silly enough to hide it. there's more to loving to chase things than just instinct and the sight of a moving object or she or the cattle dogs wouldn't be looking for, finding and bringing their toys for you to throw surely?

someone did that to my cow,Heffie. used to tether her on the vacant blocks near home, lucky for me she was used to coming home soon as I came home from work. only this time she was waiting at the gate for me. So glad they didn't take my cow.

The whole thing only has the status of a recommendation right now. If the NSW Government has half a brain it will not adopt these Recommendations given the shaky basis on which they were made (no consultation, no understanding of the sport). But remember that the NSW RSPCA did want it to extend to all sighthounds. The Commission didn't go that far, but it is a warning shot from the RSPCA about how far it wants to intrude into people's pet owning. I note also tho' that both the QLD and Vic RSPCA run lure coursing at their public days including the MPW in Victoria. So, left hand, right hand... I think the key words are 'If the NSW government has half a brain.' I've not yet seen evidence of this. They seem to be swallowing the RSPCA line wholesale. And the RSPCA doesn't like dogs. Pollies dont have a brain, they live and breathe stats, whatever stats they are fed that will win votes, wins their focus. whatever will win them the most in election donations wins their votes in legislation , who pays the most gets the largess, look at the donations from mining and so where is australia's agricultural land going, to mining leases and csg wells. once its all toxic waste dumps , agriculture will be either in giant hothouses like spain or our food will be imported instead. Its not just pet owners under seige

agree, the trouble is those who have pets, any form of livestock for that matter, have had their heads in the sand for over 20 years meanwhile peta n co have been totally focused and have been 'educating' from the school to the universities with well thought out agenda. the rest who don't agree with their agenda have done zilch to work together and address the campaign. so divided with the long as Im ok mentality so few seem to see the big picture includes them all, just as long as the attacks are done section by section, thus the targets continue to think its someone else in the sights until its too late and be surprised when eventually the henhouse is empty.

to speak up against banning is to be accused of defending the 20% I feel so sad for the 80% they do have a point in this link http://ngru.org/nsw-gloucester-shire-council-caught-disposing-dead-dogs-at-tip/

Sorry my misunderstanding re the people you were talking about that have tarred lure coursers with the same brush as the unethical Greyhound people. Just as the ethical people have been except lure courses haven't got the whole country down on them and lure coursers aren't having their right to participate in and enjoy their sport because of the unethical ones taken away from them altogether. Like I said I agree with you the law probably is stupid. Yes the Greys do get to catch a toy, otherwise they wouldn't chase, some states do it on the track with the lure, some do it in the catching pen, my pups always got drive satisfaction with the toy. Like I said very few make money out of racing, yes hoping that they will have the next Brett Lee and all that would go with it is incentive but very few actually reach that goal, otherwise like I said I would have been racing dogs. The wealthy people in the sport of both horse racing and dog racing are wealthy because they have other means to make money. I didn't say that the sport of lure coursing is the same as racing from the human perspective, just the drive that the dog is working with to enable you to compete in the sport is, which is why I was assuming the law of not being able to have bait animals on your property has been extended to lure coursers. If the rule has been extended to people who own sighthounds well that is also ridiculous. Especially if you had seen my Greyhound the other day at the vet several days ago completely ignoring a rabbit in a cage right next to her and the cat on the counter above her and the cats and rabbit in the cages at the pet shop today, yet she is more than happy to chase a toy. The facts are that just about all dogs can/will chase, hunt, even kill, in some circumstances or opportunity , Cavalier King Charles are supposed to be a lap dog. I saw a 6' 7" brown snake reduced to 5 separate pieces by two cavaliers whose yard it decided to enter. Sighthound,s now, once ticked off the list the move will be onto the next target for elimination

Where did this quote come from Asal? National Greyhound Racing United FB page. Posted on July 28 in response to the rally held yesterday against the carriage horses in the Melbourne CBD. https://web.facebook.com/NGRU2015/ thanks, I lost the page just after I copied and then couldn't find it again.

No, let's say lots more. I would like to see the press release that accompanied the study because I bet it will be almost word for word what it says in the article. The actual conclusion is of low diversity not no diversity. And? The diversity is so low in the breed that the significant health issues and poor longevity associated with the breed cannot be corrected without an outcross. Except it says might not will. It behooves the media and people who read these things and report them to actually report correctly. Dreamer! The media can seldom be accused of accurate and correct reporting of scientific research ;) We in the scientific community insert so many 'probably', 'possibly', 'maybe', 'likely' words that the media gets frustrated and distorts. Say I spend two years writing an article. Some journo has three hours to summarize it. Of course they slash my carefully chosen hedge words to get something clear and simple. That's life. an uncle worked for the sydney morning herald, the motto was "any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, for which the management will not be held responsible".

spotted this, good summation dont you think of the problem. "ANIMAL ACTIVISTS AT IT AGAIN!!! Animal extremists will never stop, they fail to understand the difference between animal rights and animal welfare, they have no idea about animal husbandry, nor do they understand or appreciate the connection man and beast have had for eons. Help us win this war that is raging against all animal sports and industries! Join us today, or our tomorrow will be doubtful... Everyone is welcome to unite with us!"

Found this link, no idea about the year of publication Of particular interest is the Chapter 8, titled Taints http://web.archive.org/web/20080314202407/http://www.netherworld.com/~cowboy/SelectiveInbreedingMenu.html and this comment by a bird breeder sums up his experience Too much to read just now.....so I'll just make a couple of observations....In horses : when done well....it works well....it simply limits the gene pool to either favourable or unfavourable outcomes....or a mixture of both. You need to know your lines well. In Birds : I bred Colour mutations in Gouldian Finches & Neophema Parrots. Many new colour genes are recessive, thus seemingly pop out of nowhere as nobody keeps pedigrees, except myself......other than a couple of generations. When they do occur, the majority inbreed (Father to daughter, mother to son & brother to sister to give the best chance of breeding the mutation. Alongside that is a major failing in all breeders systems & that is the "Hospital cage" & all sorts of medications for sick birds....I learned early that these birds got sick again, failed to breed or died....very heartbreaking....so I decided to use "natural selection" ( now this is not for the queezy or fanatical "lovers" of all living things), but when I had a sick bird...I euthanased it. Now....guess what....my birds stopped dying, they bred frequently & prolifically into old age......AD this to the inbreeding & we had birds with very poor survival rates & birds that never bred or did so unsuccessfully. This led to the talk that mutations were weak & certain species were weak....what was weak was their management. Hope that little ramble is of interest."

its easier to remove the lot. no fiddling, was the reason I believe. my mum decided she wanted her two done because they kept jumping on each other, both females, tried to convince her its a dominance game but she wouldnt listen. so they were both done and guess what they still did to the day they died of old age. wasnt safe to say told u so though

Never seen this before. http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2016/07/27/neutering-spaying-effects.aspx?utm_source=petsnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20160727Z3&et_cid=DM112138&et_rid=1589967958

sure is. very frightening where things are going. The Four Corners program was horrifying enough, children young as 11 locked up for stealing a car and treated so cruelly, children in solatary not even allowed to attend any form of schooling or interaction. If their parents did that corrective services would have taken their child away. then we see Australian story, a teenage girl is denied the right to go to finish school, taken from her husband and her now family to flown wherever the immigration dept decides, agree to be deported or imprisoned as for those in charge of her, just as inhuman as the prison guards in Four Corners really, she and her husband cant even hug if they can prevent it, not even allowed to have the flowers he brought for her. This is Australia today? We now have prison camps where the criminals have more human rights than that poor girl and the other refugees with her. Yes some are possibly isis infiltrators but that's no excuse to mentally destroy anyone surely. I am ashamed of Australia if this kind of cruelty is ok and sanctioned by the politicians that just got themselves elected and remember this is the lot who have refused her sanctuary already. are only acting now after the 4 corners expose of the children!. they have been in govt long enough to know whats going on, thank goodness for the abc or nothing would still have been done for those kids. Barring banding together finally, and shout NO, DEMAND and VOTE for those who will not sell us out. on so many fronts or we will be seeing Lhok has pretty accurately lined up the future on that scene too. Just have to mention, none of the asylum seekers imprisoned here are ISIS infiltrators, terrorists don't sit in a prison for three years being tortured. If you look at terrorist stats they are on the whole home grown. Australia is going to poo on many different levels and all that freedom we love is being taken away. I agree that something needed to be done about the rogues in the racing industry but now look what is happening. How do you eat an elephant, one bite at a time. Now you won't be able to own a sighthound if you own cats. People have to leave the state or give up their pets. you could be forgiven to thinking to govt must think they might be how else on earth can they justify the treatment, they have less rights than convicted murderer's?

sure is. very frightening where things are going. The Four Corners program was horrifying enough, children young as 11 locked up for stealing a car and treated so cruelly, children in solatary not even allowed to attend any form of schooling or interaction. If their parents did that corrective services would have taken their child away. then we see Australian story, a teenage girl is denied the right to go to finish school, taken from her husband and her now family to flown wherever the immigration dept decides, agree to be deported or imprisoned as for those in charge of her, just as inhuman as the prison guards in Four Corners really, she and her husband cant even hug if they can prevent it, not even allowed to have the flowers he brought for her. This is Australia today? We now have prison camps where the criminals have more human rights than that poor girl and the other refugees with her. Yes some are possibly isis infiltrators but that's no excuse to mentally destroy anyone surely. I am ashamed of Australia if this kind of cruelty is ok and sanctioned by the politicians that just got themselves elected and remember this is the lot who have refused her sanctuary already. are only acting now after the 4 corners expose of the children!. they have been in govt long enough to know whats going on, thank goodness for the abc or nothing would still have been done for those kids. Barring banding together finally, and shout NO, DEMAND and VOTE for those who will not sell us out. on so many fronts or we will be seeing Lhok has pretty accurately lined up the future on that scene too.

I see what you mean but as I said above, polcing our own is fraught with difficulties. Since when were men told police your own and stop rape and pedophilia or you will all be castrated? since when have we been told police your own or you will all be jailed in case you murder? Steal a car, rob a house, commit corporate crime, the list is endless. Since when did it become everyone's fault and accountability for those who commit a crime? Thats what the police are there for, arrest the perpetrator, not everyone living within a ten K area, same thing, conviction by association in that case in the general area . not hold the entire population accountable or everyone cops the sentence. That's what we are being duped into if you aren't taking it in. since when does having an animal of any kind mean you must be responsible for the actions of every other who has? Is every married man held responsible for not ending domestic violence? Or could be jailed for inaction against those who do? Every woman held responsible for not ending child abuse? or she loses the right to keep her own child? why fall for something that pits all animal owners against each other? If you don't stand together and demand a entire group should not be punished for the misdeeds of some. you not only don't know but never knew or met, Thats how AR is dividing and conquering. Its been a slow progress, I can remember when The campaign began in the 80's, a whole new word game began, setting breeder against breeder and when did Peta begin, March 1980, its been a long time but they have little by little bit by bit pitted one against the other. very successfully Even crazier many of the laws being passed, the ankc's are agreeing to and implementing aren't even in the best interests of the dogs, ask any reproduction vet. But hey thats what happens when the ones in the decision making process are AR reps with no or too few with actual knowledge. Just read the conditions for keeping them in the code of practice, its the blueprint for puppy farming. Concrete kennels and pens, can be charged for keeping them in your home?

I don't see it as cut and dried as you. I know to not agree is to mean you are a bad person which is how so many who would ask questions are silenced. I once had a man come and wanted to buy every guinea pig youngster I had for sale, this was about 1960 and I was well aware many greyhound trainers used live animals . Immediately suspicious I told him they had all be sold and my brother followed him, he had parked over the hill so his car was out of sight and sure enough there were two greyhounds in the back. equally I knew people even then who had greyhounds who never did this. Unlike you I fail to see why all should be punished for the behavior of others. what is wrong with our community today that everyone involved with animals can be collateral damage even though they never offended to eliminate those who do. isn't it a bit like castrate all men because a significant percentage commit rape and domestic violence ? It is the same mentality. Why has it come about that if you have animals you somehow have abrogated your rights to innocent until proven guilty that the rest of the non pet owning public are entitled too? Martin Clunes is on ABC now.

gee that took quite some effort. good on em.

the dogs are already loose among the goats? too late to roll back that if objections are lodged now. depending on how much they like goat shredding they could be wiped out in weeks or months thats the only unknown at this juncture

Everyone does have the right to a drivers L but I don't have my right removed because someone else shows they are not capable of the responsibility. You assume that the other 80% had enough information and evidence to do something about it or that if THEY did try to do something about it that the governing body would respond. I can front up right now to the ANKC and tell them someone is breeding dogs with conformation so bad that their dogs are suffering and they will laugh at me.i can say this here on this forum and I will be told that its O.K. because the breed wasn't meant to run around the block. You can place this type of evaluation onto any group which has little or no or little outside accountability. Actually it does happen with licenses, Ls and Ps are placed on restrictions, they can't have I think it's 8 cylinder vehicles in some states, the same rules don't apply, so yes their rights are restricted by the actions of a few which amounted to a critical mass, not every P plater can't handle the power of a V8 but enough of them couldn't that it was decided they all shouldn't drive one until they have sufficient experience. As a group they behave and as a group they are judged, as they say, no one ever said that life was fair. And it's as a group we have the power, the 80% can and do have the power to change things. I see it all the time in dressage, high level riders yanking and kicking and basically showing off the worst of the sport for the world to see, and the rest of us tut tut and say "what can we do?", they are at the top we are at the bottom, but without us paying our fees and supporting our little comps and buying the products with their names on them they are nothing, nobodies. We do have power. but they wring their hands and cough up their membership because they want to be able to compete, instead of shunning ea and join something else. as for voting, ea has it sewn up the articles of association, the board is unaccountable now.

I don't have an objection to regulation but there's an awful lot of regulation already. Other posters have pointed out that GRNSW is a NSW Government body, which automatically deletes it from the self-regulation category anyway. Where was GRNSW in this? Pedigree dog breeders belong to their state ANKC body. Has a Code of Ethics but it is not a regulatory body. Dog breeders have to comply with whatever state laws there are about dog breeding so where is self-regulation in this? State bodies are, at best, just dog clubs. They have no policing powers whatsoever. I don't think there is a lot of regulation, there are plenty of laws which are rarely enforced (until the shit hits the fan), there are government bodies increasingly looking to outsource these responsibilities, and there are a lot of little groups coming under the umbrella of "industry". While the dog clubs are their own entities they still come under this umbrella as far as public and government perception is concerned. Certainly there are links, some clubs are linked to some sports and showing more so than others, everyone uses the same services such as vets and products, that's what makes it an industry. Ideally we want to have an industry representative group which covers all canine pursuits, everyone contributes and everyone helps to keep the industry clean. Just as farmers contribute to their industry groups even though the way the different sectors operate may be very different and subject to very different pressures, an example of this may be something like meat and livestock Australia. Feels like there is a lot of regulation to me - little of which has to do with the science of the species but more and more as if dogs are humans. We have to make constant choice on best practice over regulation and the younger people coming through are educated by taking for granted that because its a law or a regulation it must be what is best for the dogs. I dont agree with self regulation when some groups are offered exemptions from behaving like the rest of the "industry" Greyhound racing was and is in most states still a prime example of this and even though it was sanctioned by state governments it was policed and regulated by their own board. They had their own codes which counteracted state codes all breeders have to comply with and complaints are kept and dealt with in house. Vicdogs is similar in Victoria as their breeders who own less than 10 fertile dogs have exemptions to having to comply with breeding codes . this is why the MDBA will not apply for these exemptions for our members until some things are changed within the system. The RSPCA and AWL have no third party accountability and if you have complaint about any of them it is also handled in house. Bit the same as the church with complaints of sex crimes. yes and you know where that gets you, CEO or a Cardinals or Archbishops hat