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no one seems to understand that all these rules are only ever going to apply to the people who are responsible and belong to a breed society, vaccinated and microchip their puppies are are accountable even though it will mean they will be legislated out of being able to keep their dogs anymore. the people who never chip or register their dogs or puppies are safe and can continue their merry way. How many times are we hearing how many dogs are taken in by the pounds and animal welfare that ARE NOT MICROCHIPPED? THOUSANDS, yet all is being done is making it harder and harder for the registered tracable people, All the adverse publicity over the two breeders in Victoria who were members of Dogs Vic who have had their dogs taken as justification for Dogs Vic not being responisble therefor not allowed imput to govt, yet how many thousands members are not breaking any rules yet they are tarred with the same brush. as for the untracables who never chip. nada zilch is going to happen. there are forums on FB with a zillion unregistered puppies for sale of just about every breed imaginable and where is the traceability of those or accountabilty. None. They actually say on some that their puppies are better because they are being bred for pets not the show ring. Ive been sent links to them so they do exist. They dont need to advertise on gumtree or trading post or whatever. the ones I was sent new borns had deposits on them before they were a week old

Looks like the greyhounds arent the only ones tarred with the lowest common denominator tag

unreal, there really needs education . average puppy prices, airline, transport costs etc, gee even a puppy crate shouldnt cost more than $80? I just send a puppy to a nephews friend in Alice Springs The actual cost of the flight including owning the crate it arrives in was $226. Although the cost of pickup from the sender to Mascot varies with the distance to be travelled. the quote for pickup from my place was $180 some 2 hours diving to the airport

Yup that is right, they won't stop. They most certainly won't stop with the close of the greyhound industry either. If you are right and the industry goes in 3-4 years, next it will be horse racing then maybe pets as they have already been clear that they want to stop all animal exploitation. --Lhok noticed the news reporting at the time was saying "there must be an end to animal exploitation". Wondered if those spouting it, knew what they were saying was pure PETA doctrine? Doubt they had a clue what they were repeating really means. Have to give PETA 10 out of 10 for success in getting people to repeat the mantra, even if they haven't a clue as to the meaning or what it entails

I have rehomed (taken in and kept for the rest of their days over the years) two dogs in the past whose owners couldn't keep them, they were welcome to visit whenever they liked. The deal was if I wasnt home and couldnt get me on the phone to leave a note pegged to to gate if they wanted to take their dog out for the day. worked well. In both instances they had had to move into flats and were not allowed to keep their dog. One in the city, the other at the Snowy. He was one of the lucky ones when the landslide hit, His dog Indi was amazing, still miss the old boy although have his descendants to remind me of him. Shame so much pressure is being put on you

I have rehomed (taken in and kept for the rest of their days over the years) two dogs in the past whose owners couldn't keep them, they were welcome to visit whenever they liked. The deal was if I wasnt home and couldnt get me on the phone to leave a note pegged to to gate if they wanted to take their dog out for the day. worked well. In both instances they had had to move into flats and were not allowed to keep their dog. One in the city, the other at the Snowy. He was one of the lucky ones when the landslide hit, His dog Indi was amazing, still miss the old boy although have his descendants to remind me of him. Shame so much pressure is being put on you

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Are Bull Terriers included in this 'Pit Bull' umbrella term and do they then also get caught up in some of this terrible BSL? Yes, definitely. My friend has a mini bull terrier who has been called a pit bull and it seems to be a common experience from what I read online from other bully owners. I hear a lot of stories about people being more afraid of bull terriers than they are of staffy type dogs. That said, I love them all! Staffordshire Bull Terriers, a well bred amstaff and mini and standard bull terriers, they're all great! stupid isnt it, my aunt bred Bull terriers, they would help a burgler carry out the loot for a pat n a scratch. although my other uncles fox terriers would tear pieces out of anyone but him and my aunt, even 5 yr old neices n nephews, we lived in terror of visiting them

yes, although it needs to be done, it has to be done properly or a waste of time. • so right. problem is people who learn about the problems tend to have discovered it first hand and arent qualified enough to do it . Although cant feel too badly, when an ex prosecutor even managed to get his letter tabled in parliament it went no further than inclusion in the Hansard. He is still pretty disgusted over the total lack of response. 3rd June 2010 The Honorable Members General Purpose Standing Committee No.5 Inquiry into the R S P C A raid on the Waterways Wildlife Park Dear Members, My full name is Leon Andrew Mills and I have resided in Gunnedah since 1982, I moved to Gunnedah as a result of my applying for the Police Prosecutors position for the Gunnedah Local Court Circuit. I continued in that position until my retirement in 2006. In 2008 I stood in the Local Government elections and was successful in gaining office as a Gunnedah Shire Councillor. I am still in that position today. The two submission I would like the Honorable Committee to consider are that the compliance section of the RSPCA 9RSPCA Inspectors) be disbanded and that all the duties that they try to perform in relation to the investigation and brief preparation for alleged offences under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 (the Act), be given to sworn Constables of the NSW Police Force in particular the Rural Crime Unit. My second submission is that all prosecutions under the Act by done by Police Prosecutors in the Local Court jurisdiction. RSPCA Inspectors obtain their powers s a result of being issued an Authority under .section 4D(2) of the Act. In relation to this Inquiry it is clear that Inspectors Prowse and French have no idea of their powers. I say that on this basis, the Act is clear in relation to what an inspector can do and is set out in Division 2 of the Act. On the Friday following the taking of the Koalas a report was broadcast on the 6.30am local A B C News that Officer Prowse said the reason for taking the Koalas was that they were “stressed”. There is no power under the Act to take an animal that is stressed. It alledging distress, as referred to in Section 24H subsection (5) of the Act, there is no evidence at all that any of these animals were suffering debility, exhaustion or significant physical injury. To support what I am submitting, the Honorable Committee would note that the Officers examined the Koalas at about 10.30-11am. They gave no treatment to these Koalas from that time until after 4.30pm, why? There was nothing wrong with them, and of course we are talking about Officers that would be expected to take immediate action if an animal was suffering debility, exhaustion or significant physical injury. These two Officers had to do something and they illegally removed these Koala for the sole purpose of the T V show R S P C A Animal Rescue. To further support this submission the head of the R S P C A Mr Steve Coleman said no proceedings would be taken against Nancy Small as a result of community outrage. I completely reject this statement. As a former Police Prosecutor of 28 years both in the city and country on rare occasions there is community outrage when some proceedings are taken. I have never before heard of proceedings for a criminal matter being abandoned or not brought because of community outrage. The reason there were no proceedings brought was that there was nothing wrong with these animals. Offences under the act are Criminal. Officers French and Prowse were supposed to be “investigating” this matter. It is interesting to note the quality of this so called investigation. No interview with Nancy Small or any other carers of these Koalas. No exhibits such as, stool samples, feed provided in the Koala enclosure, photos for identifications of each Koala, no tagging for identification. When one looks at the R S P C A Seizure Notice re this matter S N 010 16 the Officers have not even identified the Koalas to the extent of their sex. This so called investigation is absolutely pathetic and shows the quality of how RSPCA inspectors carry out their duties. The N S W police have a branch now called the Rural Crime Unit these branches operated both in the city and country. They are staffed by sworn Police who have been fully trained in investigation techniques. Many of these Officers are fully trained Detectives. It would be my respectful submission that these officers should take over the compliance section of the R S P C A. Of course it would require extra staff and resources. It would be my suggestion that appropriate funding could be transferred from the funding the State Government gives to the R S P C A to the Police Budget. Another benefit of a transfer to Police is that all Police investigations are subject to review by independent authorities such as the Ombudsman or I C A C. This is not the case with R S P C A inspectors, they answer to no one other than themselves. On the 18th of February last I attended the local branch meeting of the R S P C A as the head of the organization Mr Steve Coleman was attending. During the course of the meeting he answered a number of questions re the Waterways incident. Mrs. Dodd asked him a question being, “who can I complain to”, Mr Coleman’s response was “the Chief Inspector of the RS S P C A”. From a community point of view in this day and age it is totally unacceptable that we have an organization such as this that when a complaint comes in they investigate themselves. The subject Koalas were living in a happy well cared for environment when they were illegally removed by Inspectors French and Prowse. One of the females had a baby Koala in her pouch that Mrs Small was aware of. I have been told that the R S P C A Inspectors became aware of this fact over the 48 hours following their removal. One of the other Koalas was an elderly female that Mrs Small has described as the “Old Lady”. Mrs Small has never denied that this Koala was elderly and whilst ever in good health could live out her days in the Koala Enclosure. Both these Koalas that were supposed to being cared for by Inspectors French and Prowse are now dead so I ask this question what investigation has the RSPCA done in relation to the deaths of these Koala or am I correct in assuming that when an animal dies because of the ignorance or lack of care by that inspector no investigation takes place. This is another example as to why the Police should take over these responsibilities so that when this type of incident occurs it can be properly investigated or reviewed by an appropriate authority. I referred earlier in this document to the fact that prior to my retirement I was the police Prosecutor for the Gunnedah Court Circuit. During the 1980’s and 1990’s and in some cases still to this day besides representing Police informants in Court Police prosecutors represent many other entities, for example, Probation and Parole, National Parks and Wildlife, D O C S, Roads and Traffic Authority and the RSPCA. Over the years until about 2000, every so often I would receive a brief from an RSPCA Inspector who would be the informant usually in more than one information. If the matter was a “not guilty” plea I would present the case on behalf of the informant. If the offence or offences were proved some costs would be sought by the Informant that would usually be for witness expenses and any fodder that may have been required to give to the animals in question. No Legal professional costs were ever sought. In addition a fact I feel is relevant is that Police Prosecutors DPP Prosecutors and Crown Prosecutors have a duty to place all the evidence before the Court. Each carries a custodial penalty of 2 years imprisonment. True there is a difference in the monetary penalty but goal is the most severe penalty for a Criminal Offence. A common assault is one where the victim suffers no serious injury. For some reason the Parliament does not view aggravated cruelty as a serious offence at law. The RSPCA since about 2000, to my knowledge, have been engaging private solicitors to conduct their prosecutions and one might ask why did they move to this system. It is my submission that this practice should cease and that Police Prosecutors should conduct the prosecutions for the RSPCA. I say that on this basis. By engaging private Solicitors or barristers there is no obligation on them to place before the Court evidence that may disadvantage their case. Legal and Professional Costs come into play. If their prosecution is successful they would ask for these costs. It seems unbelievable that recently in one of their prosecutions at Narrabri an amount in excess of a quarter of a million dollars was sought for costs in a matter heard in the Local Court, and as I said before, an offence not serious at law. In conclusion it is my humble opinion that inspectors French and Prowse have no knowledge in respect to their obligations under the Act and it is clear they see their careers more in the field of TV and to add insult to injury when asked a question by myself about the TV show RSPCA Animal Rescue and their role in this incident when he attended Gunnedah on the 18th February last, Mr Coleman’s explanation was and I quote, “the Officers had been on another job with them and when they said they were going to Gunnedah the crew said we might just tag along” end quote. I informed him that I did not accept that explanation at all. It’s a sad situation when the head of such an organization is trying to assist the coverup. Yours faithfully Leon Mills Councilor Gunnedah Shire Council If an ex public prosecutor cant get it under consideration what hope has anyone else really?

https://www.change.org/p/zachary-relouw-make-the-rspca-accountable-to-a-third-party?recruiter=16448581&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_page&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-custom_msg&fb_ref=Default I know Rosemary D'Agostino began writing to the NSW Parliament 20 or more years ago requesting just that. There is an Ombudsman for just about any problem but that one? Wonder if the starter of this will have any more luck than Rose?

Except why was he not microchipped? isnt it mandatory in Qld for all puppies to be chipped? adorable as he is, another product of unknown breeder if thats the case

Since unless you live in an apartment with no yard everyone is potentially eligible for the moniker looks like the OP has not bothered to come back, its sad how things have changed so much, people want a puppy but unless they buy it from a rescue, they automatically think the worst if they cant find one in rescue and stoop to phone a breeder, if you bred it, your suspect because thanks to AR everyone is viewed as a backyarder and or puppy farmer now. I remember when the term 'backyard breeder' began to be used as an insulting description, asked then, since everyone has a backyard, do you realise you are all eligible to be called that? Fell on deaf ears

I would not be telling a dog like that "no" and I would not be letting it hump my leg either. The way I deal with most dogs like that now is to grab their collar and hold them away from me - until they notice they can't get where they want to go, when they back off, I let them go to see what their choice is... More humping and I collar grab again. If it gets extreme... I have a spare lead in my bag and the dog would get tied up. The other thing I would recommend trying is more subtle. Get some eucalyptus oil, mix it two drops to 200ml water in a misting bottle - and spray on clothes. It smells pretty nasty and would discourage the sniff before humping and probably the humping. Definitely it's a safety problem for the dog as well as the workers. If they spill paint on the dog or someone gets tripped and falls on it - there's going to be problems for the dog too. I'd be careful trying a collar grab with a dog that has been narky with you. Quite a lot of dogs don't like it and if they haven't been conditioned to it, they may bite you just for trying to get their collar. second that - according to the OP the dog already tried to bite when the poor guy attempted to avoid the humping. While such behaviour can be just play, in this case it looks more like dominance behaviour, which is unacceptable towards a human...and dogs are pretty good in finding out (body language, smell) who is the weakest link in the group (this skill comes from the ancestors that had - and still have - to make the easiest kill and avoiding any risk of injuries to maintain the best chance of survival)- I assume the other colleagues don't get humped?...while this are tough times, and it might cost him his job, considering he is just 17 it is part of the learning - he should stand up, talk to his boss and if required should use aversives to defend himself from being humped (you wouldn't allow such behaviour from a colleague, so why would you accept it from a dog???).... Once he made this decision for himself, it might be that the humping stops as the dog might recognize the changed body language / attitude. If his boss can't sort it out and arrange that the dog gets locked away or controlled by the owner he should be ready to defend himself...and a possible bite hurt less than constant humiliation in the long run. ETA: depending on his physical strength and how familiar he is with 'wrestling' a dog, a pepper spray might be a subtile, but very effective alternative: http://www.wellingtonsurplus.com.au/listProduct/SECURITY/PEPPER+SPRAYS he is in a potentially dangerous situation, this is exactly what our neighbors dog began to do and it quickly escalated into being bitten if you said no. let alone touch it. try the aversion scents by all means but really talk to his boss. its the bosses job to ensure his staff are not at risk and THIS IS A RISK situation.

There are Lap breeds, Toy breeds, giant breeds, herding breeds, guarding breeds, retrieving breeds, earth breeds, hunting breeds, and like it or not, fighting breeds. Its also called accurate reporting and it sure was accurate. Thieves tend to run foul of guard dogs if they enter the wrong factory. There are even Police, drug and sniffer dogs, or should the reporting delete that?

This has me a little confused....if the dog was bred by a backyard breeder, then how could it be registered I wouldn't have thought it was that unusual. Bitch is bred by non-registered breeder owner and the puppies are registered under the prefix of the person that bred the bitch. Perhaps some breeders terms were also included. Yes many breeders who are mentoring newbies do that. nothing unethical or against the law doing that. Hilton often would give out a bitch on breeding terms, provide the service and register the puppies under his prefix in return for pick of the litter. Many old time breeders did that. started many a newbie into the world of pedigree dogs.

paying for that is a waste of money. a lady had a purebred Australian Shepherd, paid for it to be dna tested. except there was a mixup and instead it was done for what breeds it was made up of. came back it had labrador, doberman, rottie an foget what else. Australian Shepherds are a breed descended from some dogs that arrived in America with a shipload of australian sheep, hence their name. parts of australia still keep and breed what they call German Coolies, no attempt has been done to my knowledge to get them accepted as an australian breed even though they have been a highly regarded sheepdog for over 100 or more years, they got their name from, have you guessed it? Arrived in australia with a shipment of sheep from Germany. I suspect it was some Coolies that came off that xhip in america with those sheep. Rotties or dobermans werent even created as a breed when the coolies landed here in oz . and i am quite sure they never contributed to the makeup of either the coolie or the australian shepherd, those tests are designed for dogs of unknown parentage so no one can query their accuracy as to the results

looking at the extent of his injouries bit puzzzled by you describing it as sensationalised? if it was a young child, teen or elderly they could have been killed he too if an artery had been hit?

They are not sooking. Do you have any idea how annoying a constantly barking dog can be!!! I concur. I also thought it was pretty poor form to say the neighbours are sooking! Whatever the neighbours are doing, the OP is trying to do something about the problem the dogs' barking is causing. I hope useful advice can be got from the Albury vet previously mentioned in an old DOL thread, re the position in relation to NSW law and also any implications if the OP actually lives on the Victorian side of the border. its perfectly fine for the op or any other to live in victoria and have their dog debarked in nsw. it only becomes a problem if they wanted to show it. you cannot show a dog owned in victoria and debarked in another state. as I understood what happened to that lady, if you live in another state, its perfectly legal to take your show dog to victoria that is debarked and show it. HOW INSANE IS THAT? But then, depite the fact Australia is one country, none of the states share a common microchip data base. so find a lost pet or steal a pet in another state while on holiday, take it home, it will never be linked up to its true owners if it gets lost again unless the scanner finds it has also been entered in one of those non council data bases? silly as the days of the different guage railways

They are not sooking. Do you have any idea how annoying a constantly barking dog can be!!! I concur. I also thought it was pretty poor form to say the neighbours are sooking! I do find it funny that people lodge complaints about dogs barking and roosters crowing. Yet I have nowhere to complain too when the cookoos are imprinting their chicks. the bastards keep it up 24/7 for weeks as their chicks are hatching. If you don't know it, cookoos lay their eggs in other birds nests. so they have eggs to imprint as they hatch all over the area and since they are laid over a period of weeks the ever present calls make sleeping neigh impossible

The dogs were off lead in an on-lead park so I don't know what stricter laws would do - given nobody is enforcing the ones they've got. It's about time they did enforce the laws.I don't see Greyhound owners letting their dogs of leash so why can't other dog owners keep their dogs under control. interesting isnt it? the stats were 20% of greyhound owners were doing the wrong thing so the entire racing of greyhounds is being shut down including the 80% who were honest AND AS WE ALL NOTICE, KEEP THEIR DOGS ON LEAD! It seems the pet owners who dont keep their dogs on leash and under control don't have much to worry about as there doesn't seem even a medicom of interest in fining or charging them, the fit only hits the fan when someones pet is killed or someone is mauled. In my whole life I cannot recall seeing a greyhound not leashed, the racing ones muzzled and the pet ones no muzzle but always on a leash. Pity the rest cant take note and copy save a lot of heartbreak and angst, even save an awful lot from becoming road kill.

exactly, only their head shape gave them away as being x breds but to those who didn't know the subtle difference between them and a real staffie would think they were, for those who did the descrption was spot on. same with the chap who told me his dog was a staffie, to me he was so different to the real staffie the difference was as vast as comparing an elephant to a rhino. yes he was staffie type but it ended there, he was three times the size of a staffie

Oh, please. Naming a breed for the closest possible match that people would be familiar with is nothing at all like racism. Nobody is calling a staffy, a staffy, because they hate staffies. It looks to someone like a staffy so that's what they call it. Oh please yourself. I am not saying that they are calling the dog a staffy because they hate staffies but because if they name the breed (or race) it might suggest that all staffies (or races) behave in this way and that is what has upset BBB. The average Jo does not know breeds of dogs. Just look at the thread in General. They do not know what a bull breed is (a French Bulldog is a bull breed) and they have different ideas about what a staffy is. By naming the breed here all it is doing is vilifying the breed. I distinctly remember police reports stating they are looking for a person of caucasion. asian, african and or middle eastern appearance. in some circles that might be considered describing a certain appearance ? I bought a dog kennel once second hand and the owner told me his staffy had outgrown it. considering the size of the kennel and my aunt bred staffies I was pretty suspicious his dog wasn't a staffy. when he called it out to meet me i was scared witless i was being eyed off by a massive red nosed pit bull. they arrived here because the bogans wanted something tougher and scarier than what was available here. yes there are those who love them and train them but its the bogans who have them as extensions of their egos and raise the disasters that make it into the headlines. as we see only too tragically. my neighbour had an ACD that would bite even his owner, instead of putting down the potential walking disaster he sold it to a bogan for breeding, once the pits arrived here the bogan got rid of the acd's , at least he stopped breeding potential headliner ACD's

yes I have had two decide to go exploring without permission, one a friends kids left the gate open the other had never left home in her life. in both cases get a phone call from the vets who they had been taken too , in the case of the first offender he had spotted a chap washing his car, noticed the front door was open and hopped in! so scored a ride to the vets. the old girl was spotted following a neighbors peacock and they were afraid she was going to kill it and whisked off to the vets as a lost doggie too. had to assure them she knew chookies lay eggs, always stays with the chooks at home when out foraging, never lost one to a fox, except somewhere along the track discovered the little white things they occasional drop are delicious. so she probably decided the biggest bird was the best to follow, should lay the biggest egg. she was in for disappointment that day eh? the peacocks owner is still laughing thank goodness. dont know what it is about her body language but the birds are never worried by her, neither was the peacock. although she moves as slow as a wet week anyway might have helped, she doesnt get close, just staying in eye range to make sure she can spot when one lays n mooches over for her reward once birdie has wandered off, even I can beat her to it

had that happen, turned out the first scanners batteries were low.

judging by the photos of the owner holding a puppy perhaps she was even breeding them?