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soooo are we going to all sit on our hands and not shere the hell out of the link our very own ANKC has asked every member by email? we are getting in so deep a governement contol of every aspect of our dogs we are at risk of losing being able to have one. https://app4.vision6.com.au/em/message/email/view.php?id=1389800&a=77143&k=V0urX55QsPQEqVDGVhFzkdJecx57WRzFQQgRfH8ygu8

Well Ill be darned. It's not just the dog worlds gone mad after all. The names have been seriously shortened because almost all the comments to it and the poster on faceplant are all solicitors or court personnel, the Magistrate is real and yep its now on the public record. M This made me want to cry a little for everyone involved … Magistrate Clisdell (as quoted in Director of Public Prosecutions v Tiller [2023] NSWSC 187) really just lost it. HIS HONOUR: Gee I wish I could go back and sue all my teachers from primary school. This is a classic case of the insanity that has overtaken society in the 21st century, it started in the 1980's when we advised students that they had rights, and we took away the control and power of, firstly parents then teachers, then the police, and even the courts. So, what do I get in court on a regular basis, I get people from a generation who never experienced discipline at school and never had [a] report saying they'd failed, who never came last in a race, come in here and there studious t-shirt and thongs, and say, ‘What ya want mate?’. Is that how we want our society..(not transcribable)..police are treated with absolute contempt every day of the week every time they're on duty, they're called. ‘White effing C's, they're called black effing C's, they're called everything under the sun. Who would be a schoolteacher, my daughter lasted [a] year as a schoolteacher and gave it away, had a nervous breakdown, who would be a schoolteacher today? [The first respondent] lost her job. It seems we had a fantastic primary school teacher, dedicated, organised, well meaning, and she's sacked. One of my former school mates who I'm still mates with from boarding school nearly 50 years later, was a schoolteacher in primary school, a male, one of those extinct species in primary schools, who was the only male teacher in the school, so whenever there was a discipline problem, he was called in to sort out the class. One day a kid racing across the asphalt slips and falls, he runs over picks up the kid's - comforts it, and has a complaint made that he was sexually assaulting the kid. It never went anywhere but he quit. This is what is happening with our world today. Now let's go to the, let's start with [Ms L]. I have never heard anything as stupid and unbelievable as a teacher ringing a [parent] and saying, ‘I'm picking on your kid’, that did not happen, I don't accept it for a moment. What I do accept that was probably said, was that either, ‘I don't want you to be concerned that I'm picking’, or ‘I'm concerned that I might be seen as picking on him because I'm always having to call him out’. We all know the kid that wants attention in the classroom and the fact that he didn't play up in kindergarten in first class, just means that he got a little bit older and a little bit more bold when he got into second class. I never got into trouble in kindergarten and first class, did get into trouble in second class. The insanity of allowing lunatics to run an asylum has become endemic in our society and the courts cop criticism all the time because we don't stand up for what people see as proper values. One of the problems we've got is 3,000,000 pieces of legislation that control every breathing moment of our lives and whether you walk down the street in the wrong direction, or that you don't use your indicator in your car as you leave a roundabout, whether you cough inappropriately, whether you pick your nose in public, the whole world has gone completely and totally insane and it frustrates the hell out of me that I sit here and I have people as I did today, that I could not give bail to because there are not facilities to look after someone who's schizophrenic and is a kleptomaniac, that is he just goes and helps himself to other people's property. Not because he wants to do it, but he's compelled to do it and the only way I can protect - eventually members of the public, and commercial enterprises, is by refusing him bail. So, I've locked up a person today who is mentally unwell, now I'm asked to convict a teacher of assaulting an eight-year-old juvenile delinquent, which is the way he was behaving, and his mother gives me no thought that she was anything other..(not transcribable)..to him as well. His interview was impressive for the fact that he gave every buzz word available, scared, terrified. I can remember going into classrooms where I wasn't very happy about facing the teacher involved, where it made me keep my head down. You needed to keep your head down cause one of those teachers used to chuck the blackboard duster at you, and I'm glad from that sort of teacher's behaviour but to equate what [the first respondent] did in this situation, with it being an assault is a big ask. Technically laying hands on someone is an assault. What do we have here we have a child who has behavioural problems in the classroom, a child who was a constant nuisance and we know he's a constant nuisance cause even his school friends were saying, ‘Ooh, you got rid of [the first respondent]’, they weren't very happy with him either? He is being an idiot, but potentially a dangerous idiot because the kids are down on their hands and knees picking up block[s] and things from the floor of the classroom and he's standing with a pile of blocks in his hand, at his groin, 15 centimetres away from the face of another student on the ground. Let's assume for a minute that [the first respondent] played the Sergeant Schultz, what if that child on the ground had lost an eye who would have been responsible, guess what, it would have been [the first respondent]. She'd have been the one responsible for what happened because she didn't properly control her classroom. Just last week we have the newspapers reporting that there is thousands - not hundreds, thousands of teachers leaving the New South Wales teaching profession because of violence in the classroom and we're only talking here about primary school, we're not talking about the knives and guns that come in the class in secondary school, we're talking about eight-, nine- and ten-year old's assaulting teachers who are not allowed to do anything in response. Now, either we wake up as a society and start putting the adults back in charge, rather than the juveniles or our society will go the way of the roman empire, it will collapse. If you haven't read Edward Gibbons ‘Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire’, then I recommend that you try to find a copy in a library somewhere. It's been out of print for about 80 years, but it details - when I was a history student, which is why I'm saying this - … but it details why the roman empire collapsed. And guess what, western society is following it chapter and verse 2000 years later, 1600 probably, but close enough. So, I don't accept that [the first respondent] rang [Ms L] and said, ‘I'm picking on your son’, and I don't accept that she had any other alternative other than to instinctively act to protect a child in the circumstances in which she did, and I accept that a slap to the shoulder is hardly what one would call inappropriate and unreasonable force. If she'd slapped him on the head she would have been in big trouble, but she didn't. If she'd grabbed him by the wrist or something and pulled him that would have been acceptable as well, she honestly said, ‘I acted instinctively’, she self-reported and the end result is that the education department has removed her from her role as a teacher. Shame on the education department because they are setting a ‘bar’ which is impossible to meet and if they end up with no teachers it'll be their own fault. THE MATTER IS DISMISSED, NOT GUILTY. THE AVO IS DISMISSED.” 10 comments Comments Most relevant  Rob This rant from a judicial officer ? Sounds like he got to the right result, but where is the legal reasoning? Like Reply 20 h Dar Some rant Like Reply 20 h Dar Parents HAVE TO parent!! Not rocket science Like Reply 20 h Jay I do like HH. Like Reply 20 h M A rather good magistrate 4 Like Reply 20 h Dar M agreed 2 Like Reply 19 h Le If this is now on public record, is it OK if I copy and paste it? My teacher friends would like to read this magistrate's words.. Like Reply 19 h M Le, yes. Public record Like Reply 19 h Jil Sounds like a good bloke. Like Reply 18 h Wa Sharing Like

thanks for your comments. Sadly this has been the norm for decades now and nothing to do with DOL. the entire atmosphere of the ankc has gone downhill since the 80's and the extorting to "eliminate" the unworthy "from the membership" Be the accusation, they dont show enough, bred too many puppies that year, bribed the judge, slept to get their ribbon, u name it, I've heard it............. it has been an ongoing and constant problem ever since ankc membership began. At least it was only the backstabbing when you won before that started. I used to show horses before I showed my dogs and you really do need to learn to pick out the knives in your back once you get home in all sports. So for me at least it did not come as a surprise. The human race is very strange and yet people try to make out only our pets are nice. Well they certainly forget there are more nice people than nasty. Its just that you notice the nasty more because of the pain they inflict when in fact they ARE the minority. as for our pets, some dogs are just as savage as the backstabbing humans, its just that they use their teeth in stead. Again the opposite seems to be true, everyone forgets the one that bit you even existed because almost without fail the owner is held to have "MADE" it so. sorry folks some are born nasty, you cant always blame its human. So its not DOL's fault so many have gone haring off the faceplant, why? eludes me it sure can get nasty there too . Hope this place continues until the nice people rediscover it. Along with all those amazing and educational archives face plant can never deliver have a great day everyone.

I began this on the Breeders forum. so long ago but beginning to wonder if anyone is left there anymore? not one single fellow breeder has shared photos even though it was began August 2, 2022? Just asked the breeders of the currently 1,433 litters listed Australia wide to chip in to spread the ANKC's message. Have any of you here seen it? https://app4.vision6.com.au/em/message/email/view.php?id=1389800&a=77143&k=V0urX55QsPQEqVDGVhFzkdJecx57WRzFQQgRfH8ygu8 This is an incredibly important message that needs to be spread far and wide as it is relevant to every state election pending. Just asked those 1,433 members to help spread the word, SO sad that although Dogzonline IS! well was, an awesome ANKC forum so few are here anymore? WHERE ARE THEY? THEY ARE CERTAINLY using the puppies for sale section. WHY not the forums?

Just about choked at their "We are an underfunded charity " obviously hasn't read about the billions invested in the annual returns then?

The campaign to rescue never buy a purebred from a breeder is even going up on face plant breed forums. saw a post saying no one should breed a litter this year until there are no dogs left waiting rescue at shelters should become mandatory, or to that effect. meanwhile take a look at what is available at that shelter! I for one would not want any but the breed of my choice. with darned good reason I might add. https://www.rspcasa.org.au/adopt-a-pet/?search=1&type[]=98

morning all. anyone here? thought I will post a pick of my last litter and mum. such a dead forum these days and soon so will the dog world once AJP has succeeded in shoving their latest legislation though. just put an add for my puppies and decided to put it on gumtree as well along with the link from Dogs NSW asking us! the almost dead to help save our dogs and along with it purebred dogs and the ANKC. so here is my starving exploited mummy dog and her pups and the link I put along with it on GUMTREE! https://app4.vision6.com.au/em/message/email/view.php?id=1389800&a=77143&k=V0urX55QsPQEqVDGVhFzkdJecx57WRzFQQgRfH8ygu8 SOOO! I LOOKED UP HOW MANY LITTERS ARE HERE TODAY Advertised on DOGZONLINE 1,433 litters HOW ABOUT IT FOLKS? . IF EVERYONE of you also advertised your litter with a link to your advertisement on Gumtree, or anywhere else you advertise besides Dogzonline and include the same link to our ANKC'S request to share their link to all family and friends. Think how many millions of Australians will get to learn what is really going on with the animal rights nutters? Its a tiny extra cost compared to the cost of raising your darling puppies and the added bonus is you can not only add ten photos of your puppies and parents to the six you have on Dogzonline as well. YES, the majority of you are not NSW residents, BUT perhaps you may have noticed every single state of this nation has is now being poisoned by the animal rights nutters who have made it their business to run for election and destroy you? Isn't it about time the pet owners woke up and ran their own representatives? OR AT THE VERY LEAST, ensure no AR nutter's get elected and let loose in any parliament surely? You will have made a concrete contribution to stopping in their tracks the ever increasing pressure of such oppressive legislation aimed NOT at ending puppy farms but ending the existence of purebred dogs which is the real PETA objective. Has been since the 1980's, from the first day I sat and heard Betty Stepkovitch and Nancy Gate parroting what they had been told. "we have to eliminate puppy farmers and backyard breeders". I asked them then, "look out your back door, what do you see? Your campaigning to eliminate yourself!" They didn't under stand then and sadly just about all the members then and today still don't get that they are ALL THE TARGET! YES! Trying to warn fellow members has made me a target instead. But gee how stupid are they who refuse to learn the truth? Surely 40 years is long enough by now to see I was right all those years ago. How did I know? I am not exactly sure, but perhaps because as a child I was constantly told how my grandfather's family became Black Irish, after they fled Spain during the inquisition, when thousands died for no greater reason than some one could send you to your death by accusing of being a heretic with no more proof than the accusation. Sound familiar? History sure does repeat after all. The witches of Salem learned the same the hard way. But, now it is our pets facing extinction. The human race seems to have a real weakness for wanting to be part of a hunt? Well folks, hugging your self tight with your "responsible, ethical", blanket hasn't seems to work for the past 40 years. Will you stop being part of the problem, dobbing in anyone you dont like or think offended your sensibilities for not walking to your drum and actually ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR A CHANGE? the clocks ticked down so far now the PETA mob have even gone public they "expect the domestic dog and cat will be extinct within this generation" All AUSSIES do like to fight for the underdog, well folks your so the underdog at this point its fight or lose your pets. Believe it or NOT! It's interesting the half witted politicians of the other parties aiding and abetting them in return to get them to vote for whatever it is they want passed for their party, either have not twigged what the end results are going to be or simply don't care long as they get what they want. Politics certainly has become incredibly dirty, so much control of our lives has been taken, wonder if the people of Germany noticed before it was too late too? So anyone here willing to stand and be counted? or we face another 40 years with heads in the sand????? It is perhaps a very unknown fact to you all, but even longer than 40 years ago it was recognised how important our pets are to the health and well being of the people who have pets, along with the health and well being our our pets very existence. Live longer, mental health benefits as well, were documented already. But do the pollies care? Doesn't look like it. Well Troy we better be praying the members have an epiphany before the time has passed the no return mark. a moment of sudden and great revelation or realization. "a few years ago, I had an epiphany" n n n n n night all, folk's

Very good points. So many of the tests done are for traits the majority of dogs never come up positive for anyway, just gives a classier looking list of "clear for" , But! some if present can end in blindness, deafness and/or death at an early age. Knowing that is a help in prevention in your breeding program. As well , In managing the future of your new or old pet if you have it profiled and learn it carries any, if you bought it from a breeder who has not had a profile done of the parents, which probably accounts for the majority of dogs "adopted" or "shopped" from the majority of dogs actually bred in this country. Since so few are actually bred by breeders who do have their breeding dogs profiled. As was finally brought to light by this brilliant research done in 2016. Wonder what the pie chart would reveal for 2022? https://ankc.org.au/media/6598/a-forensic-view-of-puppy-breeding-in-australiav4.pdf As for the "breed profiles" so many are having done to find out what breeds are in their dog? May as well just throw in a card for each breed and pull out a card or cards yourself . anyone that doubts that, they come so unstuck when they cant even get the so called ancestry of identical twins to match !

they kill people too, one took off my mum's cousins leg and she was only wading in knee deep water

far as I am concerned its a total waste of money, far better spent on dna profiling for genetic disorders so you at least know what your dog is clear for or has and if its been unlucky at least plan for how to address the affects of the known results of discovering your dog is C for Pra, PLL or any of the other genes that will keep your vet living well financially, instead of you. for example if you have a border collie or has border collie in it click on each name to see what it can inherit and the results of that. Click on "back to breed profiles " to check out the breed or breeds your dog is and the little surprises your dogs breed can be hiding. https://www.orivet.com/store/canine-full-breed-profile/border-collie---full-breed-profile Like this little number of example, but as a good salesman will tell you, "but theres more." Trapped Neutrophil Syndrome (Border Collie Type) TEST OVERVIEW: This is an autosomal recessive disease of Border Collies that appears to have been present in the breed for a very long time, and occurs across all lines. It is an immune defect where neutrophils are produced by the bone marrow, but there is a defect that prevents their release into the bloodstream. This results in a susceptibility to infection and tendency to ill-thrift and repeated infections. Some pups are small and fine-boned in appearance, while others appear normal. Pups will often react badly to vaccination, developing severe fever and illness. Most affected animals die or are euthanised by the age of 6 months. Affected animals are diagnosed by having a low neutrophil count on blood tests, but plentiful neutrophils on bone marrow biopsy. A DNA test is now available so that breeding animals may be tested and carrier animals detected. It is estimated that 10 – 15% of the Border collie population are carriers for trapped neutrophil syndrome. There is no cure for this disease. CATEGORY: Immunologic - Associated with the organs and cells of the immune system GENE: Vacuolar protein sorting 13 homolog B (VPS13B) on Chromosome 13 VARIANT DETECTED: Nucleotide Deletion CanFam 2.1 (g.4411956_4411960delGTTT) SEVERITY: Moderate. This disease can cause significant signs of discomfort and/or dysfunction in affected animals. It may involve relatively high treatment/management costs, and can sometimes reduce life expectancy. MODE OF INHERITANCE: Autosomal Recessive RECOMMENDED SCREENING: 1. DNA screening of all breeding animals prior to breeding (e.g. at 1 year of age). RESEARCH CITATION(S): Shearman, JR. et al. A canine model of Cohen syndrome: Trapped Neutrophil Syndrome. (2011) BMC Genomics 12;258. ASSOCIATED BREED(S): Border Collie, Koolie , Mixed Breed, check them all out. so being told a list of possible breeds doesn't warn you, your dog may go deaf, blind or dead before it 4 years if it gets the short straw. why breeders who dna profile their breeding dogs as where you should be shopping . adopting is a complete gamble when you know zilch about the parents dna profiles?

So true, sadly this problem seems to be increasing. I received a call from a puppy owner to tell me her vet had told her to sue me for the $X,YZ cost for the completed luxating patella op he had just done on both legs of her only 6 months pup. When I told my vet who had seen her at 6 weeks, 8 weeks and 12 weeks and found both leg joints perfect. He rang the vet who did it and asked him "was the payment due on your SUV?". Telling him "that puppy was perfect at all 3 examinations", that "any vet can put enough pressure to move such soft cartridge and make the owner think the puppy has luxating patella even when it hasn't while so young." He told him and me, no way was the breeder responsible for paying for an op when no second opinion had been made available. He warned me many vets were now seeing this operation as a bread and butter income. Never forget the distress of a friend who was told she had to pay $6,000 for an operation for "elbow dysplasia" in a six month old pup she bred and gave to a friend. Their vet had told her to sue her for the cost. Lucky it had not yet been operated on and she asked them to take to her vet for second opinion. Xrays revealed both elbows had been fractured, questioning of the family revealed it had jumped over six feet from their veranda!

Perhaps I should add Why I decided to never breed another cavalier. the last straw was the owner of the last puppy, she as perfect at 6 weeks, equally at 8 weeks when she went to her new home. by 12 weeks she began scratching then it quickly progressed that by 16 weeks she was screaming in pain. The second she rang to say what the vet said I went to see her immediately to return every penny she paid for her puppy and how devastated we were this had happened to the poor puppy. How she treated me was awful absolutely awful, screaming at me! "How could you this to her. How could I do this to an innocent puppy? What kind of monster does this to a defenceless puppy and see her suffering, just to make money with no care for their welfare". what part of this had never happened in 16 years did she miss? sound familiar? anyone who breeds a litter. every one who has a child, risks hearing this. But parents cant rip shreds off who bred their baby, they did and have to wear bad luck and the guilt of, was this my fault? As my vet once told me, considering the millions of possible gene combinations. all that can go wrong from conception to birth, its actually a miracle so many turn out perfect. But so few remember that. NO parent can life guarantee the health of their child, yet any one who bred a puppy can be expected too! They face being tried, convicted and sentenced as guilty of being unethical, uncaring and cruel. with no defence. Thank goodness the parents of a disabled child are not attacked publicly for the same crime. To be a breeder is a very dangerous undertaking and the heartbreak of losing a baby puppy or their mum is bad enough. BUT that lady took it to another level that faces anyone who breeds and sells a puppy and something goes wrong after the vets given it the all clear. no one attacks the vets who did not pick it up, no one sues the vet who gave it the all clear. Its only the breeder who has to wear the blame the anger, the public vilification. so many make the decision never to breed. with good reason. I am home from taking a puppy that was not doing well to the vet to find out why, turns out the brain is not draining normally and no shunts available for a puppy like for a child . so there was just me and the vet to say goodbye as she went to a better place. Normally it is only the breeder and the vet see these puppies "that were not born to grow old bones" as my vet says. So many things can go wrong but the pet public never see this side and I doubt would cope if they did. I is hard to deal with but at least she has been given her wings and will not suffer as she aged. Nor will she end up with someone to grow to love like we have then have to say goodbye as we have to this little one. Very hard to deal with the ones born to die young. Be it puppy or Child. Had to watch my twins die but that is the risk you take when you love a child or a pet, same broken heart. So as for the cavaliers, that lady ensured I could never risk ever another born with SM again.

some cannot put puppy pictures as they have not paid the extra to include them too

not a new problem, well remember a lady whose chihuahua was picked up over the fence and taken, she was weeding the garden and the thieves took her dog so fast they were out of sight by the time she got to her feet and the gate and that was 1988

Exactly. my first were such glorious cavaliers for over 16 years but. and that's the problem. over that period lifespans crashed from 16 to 17 years to 7 to 8. there are even books that state their average lifespan is 7 to 8? for a toy breed that is tragic. as i noted somewhere I noticed all of them had tarter problems unless constantly monitored and cleaned , my vet explained they were bred with non properly aligned teeth so it was an endemic problem. after breeding two SM affected puppies Like your breeder I gave up. Just too traumatic and heartbreaking. one lady, all her dogs had been MRI scanned and clear, parents and grandparents, yet they still produced SM puppies. seems as random as HD unfortunately. I pray the day might come when they can be screened and all clear but until then, im sticking to being a spectator.

surely your kidding? no teeth? since 1990's they have had "the power" to "form the opinion your pets best interests would be served by seizure and removal to their facility in Yagoona for further evaluation" extract from a letter from Richard Amery the then Minister for Agriculture.... latest I hear is pending legislation to additionally be legally entitled to "form the opinion an animal needs to be seized as it may be at future risk". more teeth than a crocodile already folks their hands are only "tied" until they decide to strike.

blaming inbreeding for everything is just avoiding the real issue. parents carrying one or two copies of a fault are the problem and is easier to say the negative result was because of "inbreeding" which supposedly using related parents caused it, when in fact the only "relationship" in many cases was although unrelated they did carry the problem. anyone working in labs know of strains of lab animals that are so inbred, really inbred, to the extent dna sequencing is so close they can do skin and organ transplants without any tissue rejection. the difference is these strains carry no deleterious genes or they would have died out long ago. the labs breeding such strains are very conscious of selecting for health from the 1st generation. something the dog show world still has not learnt. to the everlasting shame of breeds that struggle to find even some individuals free of known deleterious genes. the majority being two copies with the very occasional with one copy. saw a cavalier breeder announcing two of their males in the world thus far to have been discovered to have only one copy each of the MVVD gene. which is believed the marker indicates higher rate of mitral valve disease at a younger age. It has become so prevalent in the breed.

Lovely story, my only but, is, they didn't buy him from his breeder. they "adopted" him. perhaps the new politically correct language for getting your pup now. nicer than hearing the new owner "rescued it from the breeder"

anything and everything can decided to do zoomies, even your kids and you. as for our animals, both wild and domestic, they just do it way faster

the natural progression of prohibition. thanks to the ar nutters dogs are harder to get and prices gone crazy when big money can be made for a hard to get, the mobs move in.

Anyone who breeds back to back litters and thinks its only a case of miss the next season and ok to breed on the second will be in for a surprise. The 3rd litter will be born inside the time allowed to register a 3rd litter. Hefty fine awaits. Check the dates she cycled VERY carefully. Few have the 2nd cycle far enough later for the litter to be born after the time allowed. Neat income earner for ankc if you failed to check dates

so right. friend took a dog from the local pound, tried to kill his other pets and the neighbours sheep. learned very fast why it has ended up in the pound. yep its back at the pound

one said "awaiting autopsy report"

the reason the ANKC litter notices NO LONGER have the name and address of the owner for over 30 ? or is it 40 years ago now? Is because when the police arrested a chap with mums and pups in the back, on the seat was a copy of DOGS, with rings around the breeds he was going to steal, the ones with the cross through the ring were already now in his vehicle. Not a new problem folks. Although today its more oodles on the sights now instead of purebreds

ABSOLUTELY, more and more new laws will be just as effective as the ones that say ALL PUPPIES AND KITTENS MUST be microchipped. I read somewhere its believed less than 30% are microchipped on the figures of unchipped that end up in pounds and rescues. so well at least 30% of the population obey that law after what is it? Over 20 years since it was drafted and passed? Or am i just being cynical? https://www.rspcaqld.org.au/news-and-events/news/microchip-your-pet-before-the-holidays