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Tuesday, 11 February 2025 Reminder to Members that the NSW Legislation, Prevention Of Cruelty to Animals, Timelines and Requirements are as follows What is changing? On 21 November 2024, changes were made to the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979, and the Companion Animals Act 1998 to strengthen puppy and dog welfare by establishing minimum standards for dog breeders. • These changes are coming in stages and will apply to all breeders across NSW. They will improve the identification and accountability of dog breeding activities by mandating compliance with minimum standards to strengthen animal welfare. • Breeders that had more than 20 female adult dogs immediately before 21 November 2024 will not be subject to the maximum cap until 1 December 2025. However, they are not allowed to acquire additional female adult dogs above the number that was on the dog premises immediately before 21 November 2024. Figure 1 (below): Timeline of key changes to rules for dog breeding in NSW These changes will affect the following: Lifetime breeding cap for dog litter limits and record keeping A mandatory lifetime litter cap, setting out the maximum number of pregnancies and and types of births will apply to all adult female dogs. Breeders will also be required to keep records of all births. Minimum number of staff for dog breeding premises Mandatory staffing ratios for dog breeding premises are being brought in to ensure proper and sufficient care for dogs. Sale or transfer of dogs Requirements to provide identification numbers for the sale or transfer of dogs will be changing. Animal Welfare Code of Practice – Breeding Dogs and Cats It will become mandatory for all dog breeders to comply with the Animal Welfare Code of Practice – Breeding Dogs and Cats (Breeding Code) to ensure improved animal welfare outcomes for dogs in NSW. Maximum number of female adult dogs A new limit has been set following extensive stakeholder consultation to address key risks and animal health welfare concerns associated with breeding practices. Mandatory breeder identification New mandatory breeder identification provisions will apply to anyone breeding dogs, whether regular breeders, occasional breeders or those with accidental litters. This enhances transparency of dog breeding activities across NSW and assists people in acquiring a puppy to know that they are buying from a reputable breeder. For further information on these changes please click on the link below to read the NSW Government document.

white pops up in chihuahuas and never seen a problem with it, long as the nose and eye rims are black. no problems. pink nose probably means it has two chocolate genes and will go darker and be light brown nose with light eyes. if its truly pink nose and pink ears not good news for the dog, have to make it a house dog and no going outside, seen cats like that too. invariably develop skin cancers on the ears and nose. if the eye rims are pink they too can develop cancer too. the occasional person declares a white pup is rare and charges a big price but they are not rare. do look lovely the best ones. just as any colour on a good one always catches attention. There are two whites for sale in the adult smooth coat section they are nice with lovely dark nose, so certainly not "rare" https://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/mature/33157 https://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/mature/Default.asp?record=32436

only in america it seems breeds suddenly "mutate" merle into a breed it was never in before. but then mutation is in the genes there, google american shetland and halter quarter horse strange people taken decades and still trying to get "the big lick" banned in their show ring. sickening cruelty to win . might be better to just look at this photo of her loss of ability to stand normally. to watch the video is too upsetting.

Pity it does not state the breed or breeds it is

ow wow genetics' made easy

particolour is cream and white or gold and white, neither poms or spitz have merle in their breed, nor do they have black, the dog is a blue merle which is black based merle

I do find it funny that people assume breeding a blue to a black will prevent blue gene alopecia? No pup will be blue unless it inherits two copies, so if the black parent carries blue, then the blue pups are what? Blue. Blue to blue will give what? Blue pups with two copies, no different to the two copies inherited from the blue parent and the black carrying blue parent. The ignorance of genetics after all these decades is a bit disheartening, although it can be wonderful for someone like happened when a breeder decided the best pup in the litter was not a keeper because she was a "weak" colour. ie chocolate nose and gold and white patches with a chocolate sheen, she was actually a chocolate fawn particolour (chihuahua) but can pop up in many breeds. due to the chocolate dilution she had light eyes so her breeder considered her to be weak, totally ignorant that ALL chocolates have what? light eyes. So was lucky enough to get one of the best she had bred for a bargain price. bred to non chocolate or carrier stunning black noses, black eye rims and dark eyes, just what she wanted to breed. Ditto for all blues, the dilution lightens the nose, eye rims and EYES. its call linked and you cant change that. the dog that is blue either has two copies or not blue. some breeds have had the suspected ell to cause it, have had it selected out. (example Weimaraner) once a marker can be found for the ell, no more blue gene alopecia in any more puppies EVER. Early Weimaraner breeders achieved it without the invention of dna profiling... how smart are they? They are are all double blue, double chocolate , every single one of them, so as so often assumed they should be riddled with blue gene alopecia since every litter is the result of blue to blue parents. Rather gives the lie that blue to blue weakens the line surely? ditto to chocolate to chocolate. As for a pup with two chocolate and two blue, with that light or dark lavender colouring (also called taupe or silver) . without the alopecia ell the pup will never develop it either. according to the bred standard all Weimaraners are double blue, double chocolate. Colour: Silver, roe or mouse grey, as well as shades of these colours. Head and leathers generally slightly paler. Only small white markings on chest or toes permitted. Sometimes a more or less defined trace occurs along the back. Dogs with definite reddish yellow markings may only be given the classification good. Brown marking is a serious fault. In my chihuahua's I found on average only 1 blue pup in 4 might develop it, if neither parent has blue gene alopecia which would indicate it has to get two copies of the ell from both parents to show up in a pup. I suspect it is an ell linked to the blue gene or otherwise it would be showing up in non blue puppies, which is never has other causes of coat loss, is low immune response which lets the natural skin flora to over reproduce and cause hair loss, often happens after vaccination or over vaccination

low COI is no guarantee you will get healthy strong offspring if you dont dna profile for the known defects that have dna profile markers found. on the down side there are thousands of others for which there is no marker found as yet. But at least the conditions below can be prevented in the puppies if you know the parents dont both carry a copy to pass on, most tend to be recessive. others semi or dominant. COI is only one tool in a very big box, https://www.orivet.com/breeder/for-dogs/breeds/staffordshire-bull-terrier/137?product=137&name=Staffordshire Bull Terrier https://www.orivet.com/breeder/for-dogs/breeds/american-staffordshire-terrier/42?product=42&name=American Staffordshire Terrier

sure is. whatever mix, sad that it still hasn't been found

cute, looks like a merle shetland sheepdog its colour sure cannot have come from pom or spitz they are only cream or white?

You raise a good point Boronia Over some 50 years thats quite a few dogs buried here, along with similar number of horses and cattle. Most old age, some injury or accident.

I think if it were a pup I bred, it would not beGoing back either. It obviously wasn't coping Would ask as much as possible what's scared it, so they can learn what breed might be better suited or perhaps they need to learn more before considering another in future. Or an older more experienced one perhaps, not enough detail what was the triggers? Perhaps before considering getting another contract a trainer or behaviourist, explain what happened before, show them what you think was distressing the pup and they assess the situation and type and temperament would work best for you and any future pet Temperament and environment was obviously not a match for that pup.

sadly the dog world went holier than thou in the 80's. instead of helping, newbies preferred, to view with suspicion, think of them as potential abusers instead. Might be a potential puppy farmer or backyard breeder. "Eliminate Will Robinson. eliminate"

dont think the human red hair gene has the same locus or relation to dog colour genetics

found one of the submissions made by the Murray grey stud same as I had seen before but found it on the Victorian enquiry https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/get-involved/inquiries/inquiry-into-the-rspca-victoria/submissions not much of an "enquiry" since none of the submissions were addressed in any way. As commented on by Glynn "3. Documents linked to the Victorian Parliamentary Inquiry. This Inquiry had very broad terms of reference compared to the the NSW Inquiry, and seems to have been an inquiry the Andrews government was forced to set up in response to the public scandals created by the Framlingham court case and the terrible fate of the Bulla race-horses. Daniel Andrews made clear that he was supporting the RSPCA, and the Report that the Victorian Committee produced was an insult to the intelligence of Victorian citizens, and partook somewhat in the nature of a cover-up, by way of silence (There were just 27 pages of text!!!). However, despite these drawbacks a couple of papers in particular were eye-openers to those generally concerned with the public interest, and the negative impact of the RSPCA on that interest. Specifically, Submission 18, from John Maitland (lawyer) and Submission 43 (from Heath-Ellison Holdings) deserved much more attention than they received." https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/4af9be/contentassets/bb6b1a60936e46b886623f0042860e92/submission-documents/submission_43-ja_heath_inland_holdings.pdf interesting submission from a firm had represented Victorians prior to 2017 https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/4af9af/contentassets/b11ed85a4ed94d408c50647f2cd580db/submission-documents/submission_18-maitland_lawyers.pdf .

I can't believe there has been three now and still nothing achieved? My friend sent me the link to the first of the 3. 141 submissions including mine and the murry grey people and so many more. no wonder so few bothered to submit to the 21 and 23, nothing is going to stop them destroying lives and minds and we will never know why are so allowed to do so. Although some states have stopped them prosecuting people has to be an improvement perhaps. They should be stopped from milking producers annually to pay for the "rspca approved" logo, its just a money maker for them, nothing else , they have tried for decades to get the ANKC members to cough up an annual fee for their "rspca approved" logo too, but Dogs NSW have refused. Over 25 years now since they became monsters, yet protected by government is indefensible behaviour by our politician's surely? https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/committees/listofcommittees/Pages/committee-details.aspx?pk=263#tab-submissions

usually blue to gold/red would be all black puppies, unless the red/gold carried a blue dilution gene, then some could be blue. Or the blue carried only one black gene then some could be red/gold only way to know what they carry is a dna profile done which is a good idea anyway, you sure dont want puppies with two copies for PRA or PLL just for starters. the profile will give you who is clear, carrier or two copies for many conditions

Didn't remember there were two? https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/committees/inquiries/Pages/inquiry-details.aspx?pk=2851#tab-submissions 2021 Inquiry into the approved charitable organisations under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 The inquiry commenced on 25 November 2021. Ok im cherry picking the submissions. as many dont say much if u go to the above link you can open the submissions box yourself and check them all. https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/submissions/76889/0006 Mr Grant Holman.pdf I well remember reading Mr Grant Holman;s submission. I well remember my submission and I very well remember Mr Holdsworth and Ms Ellison's murry grey cattle stud submission yet neither mine or theirs can be accessed any more and they certainly were accessible last time I looked? Even stranger, when I first opened the link all the submissions were listed, well over 40, over half labelled as "confidential" and could not be opened, Now when I opened it all the "confidential" marked ones are gone from the list completely? not even numbered????? Have to wonder why the change? Aside from the fact my submission was marked "name supressed" certainly not "confidential" neither was Mr holdsworth and Ms Ellison's. Cannot wonder how long before all dissappear? Their submission was very well written and laid out. Particularly the costs rspca ran them to in the fight to finally win their case, 10 years fighting for justice at a cost of 10 million and the loss of all their assets....... the rspca spent 14 million and lost, only have my memory of what they wrote now. Never understand why the court did not award Mr Holdsworth and Ms Ellison costs? The courts always award the rspca costs, that's how they got over 600,000 in costs and Ruth Downey's home to sell out from under her. Now the only thing u can find is go google and bring up the news reports? Last I heard the rspca vic was still fighting to avoid paying the 1.4 million damages. https://www.9news.com.au/national/farmers-sue-after-rspca-cull-herd/126675ea-f46d-4ecb-80e9-8e55b3c94a0b

I decided to go looking for the murry grey studs submission to the inquiry. since in their case the owner had an appointment to meet the inspector to discuss his cattle, but the rspca inspector did not show up. as for the rest of the story. Logged into https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/committees/inquiries/Pages/inquiry-details.aspx?pk=3025#tab-submissions 2023 Inquiry into the operation of the approved charitable organisations under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 This inquiry was established on 13 December 2023 to inquire into and report on the operation of the approved charitable organisations under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979. found this . It just beggar's belief that the people conducting the inquiry reading this alone, still did nothing to make these monsters accountable?????? https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/submissions/83587/0007 Dennis Phillips.pdf . .

Friend posted this on faceplant. be warned, its very confronting. does show a different way to make an attacking dog let go. but doubt many of us would have this guys strength. some suggested if it has a collar twist it might work? ( If the dog is male and not desexed, I well remember a friend who grabbed the attacking dogs testicles and twisted them. he let go immediately and ran screaming for home. His owners made sure he never got out again. although he was entire because he was a show dog and used for stud. after that incident he never sired another litter so I think Rita did some serious damage to his fertility.) stunned they just let it go its own way at the end. probably attack someone else, why not secure and impound it? https://www.facebook.com/reel/9203496943006120

So few children have a clue how to interact with any animal these days. one boy just couldn't keep still for a second. desperately wanted to pat the ponies but his wild movements scared them off. had to get him to lay down and hold his own hands so they could come up and sniff him. to pat one told him to just hold his hand up and dont move it and sure enough one put its head against his hand and he finally understood, still and slow movement or they are gone in a flash. as for kids and puppies gee, new neighbours kids began screaming and tried to climb their mother when a chihuahua ran up to say hi... no kidding

I realised maybe some one somewhere may need to have a letter like this done and sealed, to be permanently on display, along with sending them a copy to have on file. The information contained, given you this right. Was sent to me by the solicitor fighting for the lives of the two Marama's seized some time earlier that year. They were finally saved and returned but not before much heart ache, trauma and expense to the owner. Same as my experience. Anyway this is my version filed for ever more to at least protect you from them sneaking onto your property and taking what they like when you are not at home as was what happened to Stringy. I think his Marama's were stolen when he was not home too? but it was many years ago now so not positive. Any way, use what is highlighted in black below (like this) in your letter of notice. It worked, and still does. . About 10 or more years ago someone reported my 30 year old horse, didn't enter without my permission. (you feel so hugely less violated, they Don't care a crap if you have a breakdown from the stress they inflict. Seen it in so many over the decades) All these decades later still works. Discovered that when they came to do the POCTA inspection. Actually asked permission to come? Mind she couldn't resist advising me. "I am an rspca inspector, I have more powers than the police, which is why so many of us are shot at." Couldn't believe my ear's. Had me wondering, does she want to be shot at? so she can boast, been one of the attacked? _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 17/5/01 For the attention of The Chief Inspector and CEO RSPCA 201 Rookwood Road Yagoona 2199 Dear Sir, Up to the 21 November 1999 I had a good opinion of this organisation. This was put in doubt that day by the behaviour of your Inspector Donnelly. The subsequent two weeks then the events of the 2.12.99 destroyed all respect for your assertions of caring “on behalf of all creatures’ great and small. As a result this letter is to advise that henceforth all entry onto this property by RSPCA or its agents is 17/5/01 Denied without my express permission in writing. THIS APPLIES TO ALL RSPCA OFFICERS AND ALL AGENTS, INCLUDING SPECIAL CONSTABLES AND MEMBERS OF THE NEW SOUTH WALES POLICE. I also intend to use the provisions of Freedom of Information to obtain copies of all RSPCA records pertaining to the related incidents which related to my personal affairs. If you do not respond I will then apply to the Information Commissioner. I make this request based on the case of ;- Taylor – v – Chief Inspector, RSPCA 91999- nsw adt 23 (19 April 1999) NEW SOUTH WALES ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS TRIBUNAL 0 CITATION: Taylor – v – Chief Inspector, RSPCA It is unfortunate I did not learn of my rights under Judicial Revue earlier. Hopefully I am learning fast and will continue to learn. Since I have now learnt the new order cares for nothing but successful prosecution even to the exclusion of the well being, even to risk the life of perfectly healthy but differently coated representative of the “creatures great and small” in a futile attempt to secure a conviction solely based on “the Inspector formed the view that the subject dog may have required veterinary treatment in relation to its presenting condition. As a result the dog was seized in accordance with section” etc. Excuse me, but while I waited for the return of my dog I was given the Autumn Edition to read. Why was my dog and I not accorded the same treatment and opportunity as Ms Chalmers???????? Or, was she before the new order came in force? Yours sincerely

what was so utterly glaring that NSW lied, "BY LAW they could not operate". Yet also aired in the same episode, was the Victorian seizure of the foundered pony, they too could not locate the owner yet the surgery was done immediately.. As usual they pick and choose what they want to do and cite "the law" as the reason when choose not to . "It has food and water, our hands are tied" no mention they tied their hands themselves because in this instance they dont want too "form the opinion/view, and seize" most likely no money to be made that time. Yet this episode, NSW are prepared to kill it instead.

its on again right now if you want to watch it channel 72 in nsw

So made a huge mistake watching this, the program still on. Ridiculous that over 24 years and still a trigger point rspca nsw are called to two lost dogs, the younger German shepherd puppy hit by a car, "leg badly broken, requires immediate surgery BUT without being able to contact the owner for permission to operate by law, they cannot operate. Unless they can get the owners permission to operate, the puppy will have to be put down". LAIR'S, LAIR'S, LAIR'S they took my stringy, took three skin plugs so big they had to put two stitches in each of them. An operation according to the above , by law they cannot do without my permission! done solely to try and find proof he had sarcoptic mange, even though the seizing inspector had already been told by my dogs vet that he has blue gene alopecia, they told the then Minister for Agriculture Richard Amery, That they "had seized him because the dogs vet had no records of testing the dog" Despite the fact that the dog had been stolen at 1pm on Sunday November 1999 and never been in contact with the dogs vet until Monday morning when Richard phoned demanding they return him as he only has blue gene alopecia, (Richard rang them every day for the 13 days they had him demanding his return) he had diagnosed he had it when he was 4 months old and he began to show short hair along the top of his tail and topline to his shoulders on an otherwise long coat pup, bit like a mini lion. A condition that bears NO resemblance to either demodectic or sarcoptic mange, yet their own vet not only had never heard of blue gene alopecia but refused to even look it up or believe the dogs vet. They lied to the Minister for Agriculture to justify almost killing my dog. When they finally exhausted their attempts to find something they could charge me with I was finally called and told I could pick him up. He was foaming at the mouth and their idiot vet admitted he had no idea what was wrong with my dog and offered to "examine him at your cost" I kid u not. taken straight to his own vet he was found to be suffering pneumonia and a torn trachea from his vet opinion, an oversize trachea tube being forced down . Dogs nsw Liaison Officer Alan Candlish had tried for 13 days to get the dog returned. He said he had never been treated so rudely in all his years of dealing with rspca nsw. He formed the opinion, The difference being as Alan Candlish the then Liaison Officer for Dogs NSW told me, "you have seriously pissed off someone with friends in very high places in the rspca." A year later I did accidently learn who that was, interestingly that person is still a member and breeder of dogs nsw and used to play with him at the chihuahua club meetings as he always came with me. I noticed an add for that kennel only yesterday here. Was heard at a show that even though failed this time would not give up getting me kicked out because I dont show enough to be considered an ethical breeder. How I learned who almost sent him to his death. walk to the drum of the thought police or pay the price of persecution has been the mantra ever since for so many for way too long. 19 years of "where these smoke there's fire" (that was the date of the last time someone here wrote that about me) because I spoke up about being stupid enough to go public my dog had been stolen by the sacred cow rspca On a happy note, the Shetland pony in Victoria, after all the drama, "will or wont she have to be put down!" They took her to a horse vet,( non rspca.} but taken to him and asked by them to work on her feet. and surprise, surprise, even though they could not contact the owner, was still given a general anesethic (remember nsw, same program, said they cannot without owners permission as without it poor puppy will have to be put down) he operated to reshape her hooves after he had removed the massive overgrowth hooves. Learned a neat trick to help a foundered pony, after trimming the hoof much as much as the vet could during the operation and she was back on her feet, cut a block of polystyrene for each hoof, taped it to the bottom of the hoof and the ponies weight squashed it down and thus fitted to the bottom of the hoof protected the sole from the ground so pony could walk pain free until the hoof adjusted . Lucky pony, only the front feet were overgrown. Often is all, front and back.