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ridiculous, you know the parentage and have to pay to verify your honesty. we ought to be buying the labs shares at least then get some of the millions wasted back in our pockets

I remember Nancy Gate discovering a 7 month old boy had climbed into the pen with one of her in season girls... she had 4 pups. she was pretty stunned a pup that young could. She looked up his birth date and he was exactly 7 months and 2 weeks. so never underestmate a chi boy anyway. when I bought my cream girl, my first chi in 1978. My brother bought Chip. He was three months younger than my girl. so we were pretty stunned when she started showing in pup after her first season. We worked out by dates . Chip was only 8 months old when she was in season. no one spotted them up to mischief

Pretty telling this paragraph. Exactly whats occurring here in Australia. The reason so many up front Puppy Farms are being licensed and built here. Otherwise flights like these will be next. "Because a growing number of larger U.S. dog breeders are shutting and smaller-scale hobby breeders are retiring, some of “our breeding has been outsourced to other countries,” said Patti Strand, founder of the Oregon-based National Animal Interest Alliance, which advocates for breeders and other animal businesses."

I'ts sad that so many feel they have to "check the breeder is ethical" before they will even think about looking at getting a puppy from them, as you just said, the breeder of your pup is as you said " I checked they are registered! " Lady whose puppies I chip is not happy with the attitude of many of the people who come to see a pup, they look at her with suspicion, check her premises, her home, make her feel very judged, before they decide to buy a pup. I said to her, "Ever get the feeling your viewed as a prostitute? They want their pup, but despise you as the supplier of what they want?" She looked at me in surprise and said, "YES! you nailed it. I hate this atmosphere of today, I've been a member for 41 years and it was never like this. Im thinking of giving up its no longer a pleasure to show off my puppies to so many people who are not those I already know anymore.. I never forget the lady who with her newly purchased puppy, hugged to her chest, ask me "how do you live with yourself? Forcing your furchild to get pregnant and then selling your furgrandchild? " Frankly who wants to deal with such people? The deamonisation of ANKC members in the belief, so many are unethical and irresponsible, is pretty damming of how low the opinion and trust in anyone who is an ANKC member has sunk over the decades since the call to eliminate from our ranks anyone accused of being a backyard breeder and or puppy farmer, that it has come to this is so sad. If anyone bothered to compile the statistics of how many actual members are targeted by the rspca in comparison to how many tens of thousands of members............(Then there is the fact a large percentage of the targets are innocent of the charges anyway). I sure know that first hand. I was targeted in 1999 and its only taken 18 years before dogzonline finally allowed a thread like "RSPCA in the news Started by Two Best Dogs!, December 21, 2018" was permitted and the writer not banned from posting for 12 months with the codicil when allowed back that they must never mention that name. It's taken that long to be recognised that place is not the paragon of virtue it makes itself out to be. Their targets are still assumed to be guilty until proven innocent though. Unfortunately a significant number still believe any target had to be guilty. Doubly galling to see George Pell innocent until proven guilty and now slate wiped clean, not because hes proven innocent but out on a technicality? Even now 18 years later I still have to endure the much loved "where there's smoke there's fire" tag if I talk about what happened to my poor dog Stringy, yet all he had was blue gene alopecia and their stupid inspector and even their stupid vet not only had never heard of it, but refused to listen to anyone (the dogs vet, the Dogs NSW Liaison officer or the Chihuahua club either) in their zeal to charge me with neglect? Yet when they finally surrendered him back to me, 13 days later. (he was lucky, today they dont ) and he survived the Pneumonia, torn trachea, dehydration and spent the night on a drip and antibiotics to save him. My vet wanted me to sue them for aggravated cruelty, but there was no way I could have afforded the court costs. Even the enquiry into the RSPCA revealed a large number of targets although not guilty of the charges plead guilty because they have to make a choice. Fight and lose everything, or plead guilty and at least still have a home to go back too. The mental damage to them is permanent regardless of which choice they make. Perhaps remember, to become an ANKC member the person who bred your pup did so to continue the heritage of the breeders before who created the dogs they are lucky to have. Today its easier to be a puppy farmer and not be an ANKC member with all the hoops and suspicion to deal with AND they charge more from what the websites quote. Get your pup and have a wonderful life with him/her.

.Sadly, 7 seems to be the average for many cavaliers, remembering the first book i picked up titled "Cavalier King Charles as pets" in the first pages said "average lifespan 7 to 8 years". My first thoughts on reading that, was, "ridiculous, toy breeds live far longer than the larger breeds?" Unfortunately its true for so many darling cavaliers. oh and that book I spotted was now 20 years ago so their short lifespan for many was recognised by that author that long ago

Ivomec is for heart worms, but they take months to develop after being injected by a mozzie... so she is way too young to have heartworm. puppy worms for some reason can affect them , cant remember how the vet explained it.

has she been wormed regulary? some have murmers when they have worms and its gone once they are dealt with. good luck. my brother was told one of his pups was so bad at 6 weeks the vet wasn't even going to bother vaccinating him. he also had over fast heart. Brother told him vaccinate him anyway , will keep him as a pet. he ruled the place for the next 8 years and only lost him when he knocked the kitchen tidy over during the night and helped himself to some cutlet bones and one perforated his bowel , so he lost him to peritonitis instead of his heart anyway. tough lesson to make sure they cant knock the bin over. one of mine developed a murmur at 4 months and died in her sleep at 4 so life is a lottery, as much for our pets as it is for us. One of the reasons I queried the push to force us to "life guarantee" our puppies, when we cant even do that for our own children? Many of us oldies are beginning to wonder is it becoming only those who cant think for themselves should be ANKC members ? Because if you question the ones so busy pushing these agenda's, you will be targeted as a puppy farmer, In which case you will be targeted. The pressure is to keep your head down and dont question or disagree with their interpretation of ethical and responsible. Even when it is not based on reality. let alone expected of anyone else? Really cracked me up that the rspca HAVE always sold "adopted out" their dogs with no guarantees and defended their "RSPCA APPROVED" puppy farmer when the press asked their opinion of her selling a patella affected puppy. Telling the reporter "RSPCA says DVK is compliant RSPCA Queensland solicitor and prosecutions officer Tracey Jackson confirmed they had recently investigated DVK over concerns raised by the public. Ms Jackson said inspectors had found no evidence of offences under the Animal Care and Protection Act, or the RSPCA's Breeder's Standards. "Advice and education was provided to the owner of the facility and she immediately implemented measures to ensure ongoing compliance with the standards," Ms Jackson said. "This included ensuring veterinary checks of her animals to identify any of these heritable conditions, even if they were not obvious, prior to using them for breeding." Ms Howlett says she doesn't claim to offer guarantees.(ABC News: Stephanie Zillman) Ms Jackson said it was extremely difficult for breeders to be able to tell if a dog necessarily had a "heritable condition", which included hip and elbow dysplasia, heart murmurs and luxating patellae. "What is difficult for people to understand is that while the Breeder's Standards prohibit breeders using dogs with these conditions for breeding, they do not prohibit the sale of puppies that have these conditions – or that ultimately exhibit these conditions," Ms Jackson said. "This is primarily because these conditions are not usually obvious or easily detectable or diagnosable at a young age." The RSPCA encouraged people who were purchasing puppies to do their research about the breed, speak to their vet, and speak with breeders before making decisions about their purchases. "There are no lifetime guarantees with puppies, and even puppies bred by breeders in full compliance with the laws, could end up with some of these conditions, or other health issues," Ms Jackson said." just spotted on facebook, pity this isnt more in use

must be doubly galling for the thousands spent on testing to learn its been proven now HD is highly dependant on diet and weight not genetics. that research was decades behind the assumption it was solely genetic in origin. if the diet and weight research had been done decades earlier so many dogs would have escaped getting it. I know us oldies did wonder how this "gene" suddenly surfaced en mass with the emergance of manufactured dog food. until then everyone's dogs were fed meat and kitchen scraps, the only "dog food" in the pet shops was tinned meat, and a selection of dog biscuits, hard as. Think they were baked wheat bran, I know my little brother liked them better than his teething rusks my friends PRA C boy is now 11 and his vet check this week, both eyes fine

well remember a WA breeder told two of her pups done with a BAER com machine had imperfect hearing. had a kennel disaster and these two were the last left. decided to take a risk and bred them together.... discovered access to a full BAER machine for testing, all the litter perfect, had the parents tested and they too had perfect hearing. the cheaper machines are not reliable. Then there is the fact as my vet noted.... so much concentration on PRA and Pll dna testing... my vet noted that even pra c dogs can die of old age before any vision loss has occurred........ friends boy is 8 and still has perfect vision although dna profiled C.

My vet believes its inevitable given the mind set of members and board in the quest to eliminate "backyarder's" and "Puppy farmers" from the membership. Along with the belief that only those who show are ethical or responsible, even though those who are not interested in showing can and do produce puppies whose new owners have shown and won with if it was their interest to do so. These headlines did take 5 years longer to eventuate than the majority of bets were being made in the 2010"s but it finally happened, they too lost track of why EFA began. It too lost track of the fact the majority of its members did not attain to become Elite either. Can only hope it does not happen to our ANKC The first headlines https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fnation%2Fnew-lab-sets-standard-for-how-kids-read%2Fnews-story%2F72e78e417cbb495f0c2d3feb2745f817&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium Equestrian Australia enters voluntary administration as funding withdrawnEquestrian Australia has been placed into voluntary administration. Picture: Sarah Reed OLIVIA CAISLEY REPORTER @livcaisley The national body that oversees equestrian sport has entered voluntary administration with its high performance program transferred to the Australian Institute of Sport after the embattled organisation had its funding withdrawn over governance issues. In a shock announcement on Tuesday Equestrian Australia revealed KordaMentha had been appointed voluntary administrators in an effort to improve the “structure, culture and performance” of a sport that has cycled through three chairs and had its entire board reconstituted over the past 16 months. Olympic supremo John Coates branded the collapse an “unprecedented disaster”. Meanwhile Sport Australia said it did not “take these measures lightly but our priority is the long-term betterment of the sport and the welfare and safety of all EA athletes, participants, staff and volunteers”. “In recent times, the leadership and governance at EA has fallen well short of acceptable standards with the resignation of eight directors, including three chairs, in the past 16 months,” Sport Australia said. Sport Australia will revisit its position once Equestrian Australia had demonstrated it has implemented a new governance model that achieves its core requirements of being “structurally democratic, representative and stable.” READ MORE:New equestrian hurdle as chief quits|Conflict claims on arena upgrade|Chief puts riders’ body on notice|Equestrian chief out amid inquests furore|‘Journey of nothing but pain’ It follows Sports Australia’s withdrawal of public funds last week after it said it could no longer contribute money to the organisation in “good faith”. Last month The Australian revealed that former chair and Olympian Ricky MacMillan had tendered her resignation after just six months in the role, declaring that change at the organisation had been “unobtainable”. Coates ‘saddened’ Mr Coates said the shock collapse was unprecedented. “I am surprised and sad that one of our longest most successful national federations has found themselves in this state,” Mr Coates said. “I frankly don't know of any other federation in my long involvement in the AOC that’s had to take this step.” Following Tuesday’s announcement Equestrian’s high performance program is now under the oversight of the Australian Institute of Sport, but Mr Coates flagged that the Australian Olympic Committee can only accept recommendations for teams from a national committee and not the AIS. He said Australia would be in breach of international rules if anyone other than a national sporting body selected the Equestrian team for Tokyo. “Fortunately with the postponement of the games until next year — there is time for Equestrian Australia to relieve itself of this administration and put themself in a position to be able to nominate athletes and riders next year.” Olympian ‘horrified’ Olympian Wayne Roycroft, who was once chair of Equestrian Australia and led the national team to three consecutive Olympic eventing gold medals from 1992 to 2000, said he was horrified to learn the sport’s governance was now “out of riders’ hands” and under administration. “We had a very functional good board,” Roycroft told The Australian. “I think it’s difficult to say, but it appears that it went wrong when it got so called academics — those away from the coal face — running the sport.” The Australian understands there are concerns that splitting High Performance from the national body could be detrimental to the development of grassroots clubs. MacMillan told The Australian on Tuesday that the pathway to the Olympics starts with the individual members, volunteers, and grassroots clubs. “Without them there no equestrian sport,” she said. “Equestrian Australia must in the future be member-centric and become a truly grassroots sport.” In a statement to its members Equestrian Australia said it was clear the current model did not work and that it had entered voluntary administration to avoid insolvency, “which would be disastrous” and to create the conditions for a “successful and sustainable equestrian community into the future”. Ricky MacMillan. Sport Minister Richard Colbeck said good governance had been lacking at the organisation and had led to unnecessary internal division. “It has been a distraction for our promising equestrian athletes,” Senator Colbeck said. “The decision to withhold core organisational funding will ensure the organisation can realign its focus after a difficult period of governance.” Crossbencher and Centre Alliance Senator Rex Patrick, who has previously called for an inquiry into the sport, welcomed the announcement. “Given the turmoil the organisation has been in over the last 18 months, voluntary administration is a step in the right direction to getting Equestrian Australia back on track,” Senator Patrick said. “If meaningful reform is to occur it is imperative that both cultural and governance changes occur.” Equestrian Australia said that in a sport with such diverse interests, it was rare for all the branches, committees, and members to share a cohesive view. “Disagreement, however, should not be destructive,” they said. “We should strive to improve the structure, the culture, and the performance – all in the interests of greater opportunity, participation and enjoyment.” REPORTER Olivia Caisley is a federal politics reporter based in the Canberra press gallery. She began her career at The Australian in 2015 working for the digital team before joining the Sydney bureau as a general news .. The Boards version https://www.equestrian.org.au/news/statement-ea-board?fbclid=IwAR3sSqKb5Ot9nJolkIr2brngZLpkeN4jI584E2p7KwMn1NLIot1svWG5pX0 Statement from the EA Board The Board of Equestrian Australia has taken the difficult decision to place Equestrian Australia Ltd into Voluntary Administration. Craig Shepard and Kate Conneely of KordaMentha have been appointed Voluntary Administrators. This follows the withdrawal of funding by Sports Australia, which had formed a view that, until the organisation is both representative of the membership and stable in governance and operation, they could not in good faith continue to contribute public funds. Combined with the impact of COVID-19 on our forecast revenue, this places the organisation at risk of trading insolvently. Clearly, the current EA model does not work. The intent of entering Voluntary Administration is to avoid insolvency, which would be disastrous, and to create the conditions for a successful and sustainable equestrian community into the future. Effective immediately the High-Performance (HP) program will be transferred under the oversight of the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS). The HP Panel will remain in place, funding returned to the AIS, and the program will continue unabated in pursuit of equestrian gold at the upcoming Olympics. We have been advised that there will be no change to HP staffing arrangements. The Administrators will take control of the remainder of EA. The constitution is effectively set aside in favour of their powers under the Corporations Act. The operations of EA continue without change at this stage and there is no planned loss of jobs. The Administrator will work with the creditors of EA to determine the conditions for exiting Voluntary Administration. This process is intended to be rapid, envisaged by the Corporations Act to take about a month. This will enable EA to rebuild as a viable, representative, democratic and stable national sporting organisation that is retuned to a focus on sport as quickly as possible. In our sport of so many diverse interests, rarely do our branches, committees, and members share a cohesive view. Disagreement, however, should not be destructive. We should strive to improve the structure, the culture, and the performance – all in the interests of greater opportunity, participation and enjoyment. The current Directors have agreed to work with the Administrator to rebuild the organisation as quickly as possible. 9 June 2020

agreed, but because there is no avenue of appeal save though the courts then you have a choice. Well you are given a choice. Fight for justice and yes many do win. but they have to be realistic, they may have to sell everything they own to enjoy the fact they have proven their innocence. But just like the Murray Grey stud owners. They have won, but at what cost? they have lost everything they worked their adult lives for. or take the plea bargain they always offer, plead guilty and yes have to pay but its tens of thousands instead of hundreds of thousands or millions, not a misprint, ten years and 4 million dollars to be awarded compensation that only paid the balance owing their solicitors with nothing left to buy back the proprieties they had to sell to fund the case, nothing left to replace the stock that were killed or sold off. all they are left with is their reputation vindicated. very heavy price. exactly why the majority take the guilty plea and at least have some chance of saving their homes and or livelihood That is not supposed to be how the system worked. but that is the reality

No its not pointless, the ambiguity I suspect is deliberate, OR even if it wasn't. The rspca quickly realised the immense power it gave them. ("to form the opinion" with no avenue of appeal for the target) But they have been very careful not to use it too much so few realise it... (or believe a target when it happens.) For how long have we been told, "They have food and water, our hands are tied". Well they are only "tied" when they want them tied. When they do decide to strike, eg Marion made the mistake of telling him to "get off my land". He rejoined with "I will show you what I can do." phoned for a truck and took ten of her 27 horses. They had grass to their knees, They had free choice hay. They had individual feeds twice a day. They had not only a creek but water troughs at the house. Don't forget when they tricked her into signing them over ten weeks later in exchange for dropping the $7,000 agistment charges. We were not told when back with the magistrate to hear them then say, BUT we still want her charged for failing to worm her horses. The TV adds in 1993 were "Its a crime not to worm your dog". The magistrates next words were... "Its a crime not to worm your horse, $7,000 fine with 3 months to pay". I think he also said "or three months in jail" But not sure if the term was 3 months or more. was reeling with shock by then. As for refusing to sell to any of the people phoning and asking to buy them after they had been signed over, saying they were not available yet. Then consigning them to McGraths Hill sales and (to me anyway ) the most disgusting last chapter in "I will show you what I can do" the same man who made that threat. Told the auctioneer "You are only to accept bids from the doggers" adding as he left the ring "They are all mad" Not sure if the phone call Marion received to advise her "all of them have been slaughtered for dog meat" was made before or after they went into the ring that disgusting day. THAT is YOUR rspca at work. and that was over 27 years ago they had that power Do you really think they may have changed for the better since? That man is now their CEO That's who defended the theft of the Waterways koala's and deaths of two of them, keep that in mind folks Without an ombudsman and avenue of appeal there is nothing to keep them in check

I forgot to add, do you realise that for many breeds 70 pups would be some 10 to 4 litters? I know you are allowed to breed ten litters or more if you want BUT it will mean you will be inspected as a potential puppy farmer. and the complaints will start against you if you breed 4 or more anyway, eagle eyes are scanning to dob in puppy farmers. As a friend learned after breeding 6 litters, hounded out of her breed club. even the fact she showed and won does all the healt checks. the eagles are watching and judging. Do you know for a fact that the person you referred to does not care for bloodlines, conforming to the breed standard, testing for breed specific dna testing? etc? thats pretty big assumptions. or is it the number of pups the sticking point? I was accused of being a puppy farmer, the ankc inspector sent out, the stony face said it all, convicted prior to trial... all my dogs are dna profiled, three and four generations health checked regularly. The inspector after examining them informed me as if I would be surprised to know it. "do you realise over half your dogs could go best in breed at any show?" so the assumption, the charge of being a puppy farmer automatically assumes your dogs are rubbish. Nice one Have questioned ever since, why bother being a member of such a nasty group it has morphed into. Yet my dogs are purebreds, descended from many great breeders who kept their lines continued on from the breeders who entrusted them to continue their work into the future. Why should I resign and end the legacy of the breeders before me who expected their hard work not to die in a dead end "ethical" kennel?

we both know the "costs" are so padded they still come out with a profit. only a small proportion are paid, the executive, the inspectors the legal. all kennel work is done by volunteers, the food is donated. As i said, the "costs" padded to a staggering degree, only we who have been caring for our animals know the real cost. the government and the public believe what they are told That's why any appeal to a government department has so far proven a wasted of time and effort Are you aware that one of the reasons the brumbies are to be slaughtered is because they produce two foals a year? thats what parks submitted to the abc documentary this week to justify the need to kill them all, and it went to air as fact. this is the total lack of knowledge of a subject we have to be dealing with.

meanwhile the puppy farms are being encouraged to apply for their 'RSPCA approved" sign on the gate and take up the massive slack and thanks to all the states bring in the register laws they are all "registered" breeders even if most of their stock are oodles and from the last I checked fetching 2,500 to 5,000 and there are more "wanted" adds than puppies advertised my vet hates puppy farms with a passion, but he has come to the conclusion they are the only future for the continuation of most dogs. pure and cross.

might be an idea to read this. http://ankc.org.au/media/6598/a-forensic-view-of-puppy-breeding-in-australiav4.pdf thanks to the idea no responsible , ethical ankc member will breed to produce other than to replace for their own kennel Let alone, shock, horror disgust, ever breed so someone can buy a pet or ask a reasonable price to cover costs, YOUR TIME... who other idiots are expected to give of their time and expenses and not be paid for it? Who else works their butt off and says, no dont pay me. Im ethical. Not the stupid "ethical" responsible ankc, dog breeder with their cloak of piety wrapped around them. since when should only the independently wealthy be permitted to breed purebred dogs? Ah yes the new age of imploding gene pool. Pensioners used to be the bulk of long term members. probably still are but now they daren't breed enough puppies to give a decent amount of pin money to supplement their pension or risk being targeted as puppy farmers today ... these figures are the result. its called self elimination of the pure bred dog. if breeders do not breed to avoid being branded puppy farmers where on earth do you expect to find a pup? there are over 24 MILLION australians. Frankly 99.9% who want a pet will never find it at an ANKC member... there are not enough left. let alone enough pups born anymore. bit of reality check might stop the extinction of pure bred dogs, but its not looking like that is going to happen any time soon reality and common sense went out the window when AR started teaching the precious that being "ethical" and responsible is the new words for stupid self destruction. Now unless your a dead end kennel and proud of it, your liable to be targeted for elimination how long before anyone wakes up? its almost too late already

The fact accountability isn't even mentioned. Think the suspicion its going to mean even more micromanagement n less accountability. Barring a miracle

somehow if that is the case, I expect they will NOT "go back to being a preventative charity" without kicking and screaming all the way.

?? Well that was a total fizzle no ombudsman to investigate abuses of power. although does this no 13, mean they can no longer do their own prosecutions? If so wonderful, although have to see that to believe it .... Recommendation 13 That the NSW Government establish and fully fund a specialist unit within the NSW Police Force to investigate and prosecute animal cruelty offences. bit confused about what this means? Recommendation 14 That the NSW Government establish an independent statutory body, the Independent Office of Animal Protection, to oversight the animal welfare framework. Further, that the NSW Government consult stakeholders on the appropriate functions of the new body

and sadly mri clear parents do not guarantee mri clear babies as a friend discovered. wish both could be cleared from these lovely dogs. I used to breed them but the stress once I bred my first affected pup and the reality that is a minefield with few tools to work with to identify those who carry either conditions , was too much to deal with

https://www.change.org/p/the-kennel-club-stop-registerin-g-cavalier-king-charles-spaniel-puppies-unless-their-parents-are-mri-scanned-and-heart-tested?recruiter=789910933&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=97342230-9ecd-11e7-9a62-eb205c5da526&utm_content=fht-2222214-en-gb%3Av2 on paper sounds a great idea. except there is one very big BUT! They are wrong. no one wants to breed a dog that will develop these..............There is a catch. The MRI is only valid for when it was done, it can change. Ditto for heart testing.. Can be MVD clear this month and next year and the next. equally can be showing signs of MVD developing a month later. its very very difficult. Many are clear for their breeding lives but it kicks in at 6 or 7. best case is Jack. he was clear all his life and lived to 16...His sons and daughters averaged 14 years, but as they were bred to other lines their puppies lives got shorter and shorter......The last two developed MVD at 7, one dying two month later, her half sister now 8 although on medication though.............. as I see it the only chance to actually breed for longer sound lives is not use any male under 8 years. Take plenty of frozen semen and dont use it until hes proven by living 11 years or more free of both conditions. THAT is the only way to breed it out sadly. For both the boys and the girls will be past breeding age before you know who will or will not be free of either or both... sadly That is the reality Although if we are really serious then it can be done, by only using frozen semen from males that have passed the parameters I explained Cant do it for the bitches or end of the breed. BUT by using generations of proven clear long lived males should only take three or four generations... six ideally.............12 if you want a geneticist happy. I do know this is what it takes. decades ago discovered a lethal gene in my show stock, my best friends brother is a geneticist... laid me down a plan to eliminate it by only using proven clear males. same scene with the girls would be too old to breed if they were kept until proven clear. in my case it only took six generations to never come up with a carrier male............ but Glen said 12 is the ideal. This is how the old time breeders isolated and eliminated in the hundreds of years before dna tests......in the case of MVD and Syringamyelia there is no DNA test... They are relying on MRI's to show if the condition is developing in the skull.........In the case of MVD... heart checks until dog either dies of old age or the valves start to leak. whichever occur's first. There is a way... BUT its going to take a lot of planning and cooperation between ALL who love the breed. These days anyone who decided to try it and kept the couple of hundred dogs that it would require would be hounded out of the registry as a puppy farmer anyway.. no chance of the large kennels which once existed and created or continued so many breeds in the past. Id love to give it a try, but too old now Good luck folks As Glen told me, There's your blueprint. keep to it and you will succeed.

Checking gumtree and trading post x breds are from 2,500 to 5,000 even the same crosses. Never understood why purebred breeders have been extorted to not ask prices to reflect the cost of breeding the pup let alone some to cover the hours spent, so many I have met seem to feel if you cannot afford to sell your pups for less than it cost to breed them then you should not be breeding? Accusing any who do of being puppy farmers and not fit to remain members. Had an interesting conversation with a lady whose old dog has just died and looking for a replacement puppy, for obvious reasons (just look at how few ankc breeds are even available on the dogzonline listings) there are none of her breed available although some are on the trading post and gumtree from unregistered breeders. She said no way will I be buying my pup from a puppy farmer, I don’t want my puppy coming from one of those dreadful kennels with that awful housing the rscpa are putting up the photos of. Think from memory last year there were three raids with such photos. Yet this lady is assuming anyone not an ankc member is a puppy farm like she saw the photos of, which is lucky for ankc breeders I admit. went back through the press releases on the "in the news " section and all three were photos taken at an ankc member so the good side is jo public are not twigging where they came from. My other thought was although there was once over 60,000 members the stats for 2019 was 31,961.so much hatred for three that made the headlines. Yet over 60 women a year are killed in domestic violence cases and the silence to restructure laws to protect them or at the very least alternative housing and safety options increased to protect them is totally inadequate compared to the tens of millions donated to protect pets? Some police have even been caught handing their mate the address to find her even though there are domestic violence orders against him? Cannot help but wonder, do so many really think these dead women deserved to die that way? Anyway, back to our dogs. Thanks to the push to make it hard to register a prefix membership has halved in the past 20 years while the Australian population has gone from 17,993,074 million in 1995 to 25,203,198 million in 2019. (perhaps I should add the constant harassment to drive members to resign, by many self appointed fellow members who feel they are more "ethical an responsible" than the member they decide to target for elimination, Not even being a breed club member and show secretary working their butt off for their breed is exempt from persecution, from what I've personally seen) as for anyone who breeds more than two or three litters a year is likely to become a target, let alone more. Compared to purebred puppies bred in the same period. E.g. 54,590 in 1995 to 31,961 in 1991. Almost half the number of puppies bred, has plummeted from 81,389 in 1995 to 69,335 in 2018. no figure listed for 2019. a drop of 1,197 from 2017 and a drop of 675 from 2016. Then add this so telling set of statistics and why is the ANKC self destructing? http://ankc.org.au/media/6598/a-forensic-view-of-puppy-breeding-in-australiav4.pdf All the ANKC statistics are freely available on their own site. So why, why is the persecution of pure bred members continuing even though so few are to be found that are not doing the right thing..? Making it harder for new members to get a prefix is not getting rid of potential puppy farmers it is sending the majority to join up with the far more welcoming plethora of alternative pet registers instead, humans are a weird mob, aussies included. The ANKC did a survey many decades ago and discovered some 60% of new members had not renewed by years 3 to 5... some 80% had not renewed by years 10 to 15.........leaving a very small cadre of long time members. Yet still decided to forgo the income and the puppies bred by these short term members. The majority dropping out due to what all we old timers know, its hard work and heart breaking when things go wrong. Why hand them on a platter to the pet registers instead? Hugging yourselves, congratulating each other these softies would have been puppy farmers anyway does not make sense, either for the gene pool for the breeds continually being lost or the need to continually tighten financial belts due to decreasing income from membership and registration fees has certainly happened and continues... Is anyone learning lessons? or is the need to feel special and rare more important then the future of the breeds we are saying we love? The breeders of old must be rolling in their graves,,, none of them believed the height of excellence was being a dead end breeder, (limit register all but those you keep) they worked to preserve their breeds not eliminate most of the available gene pool? Fortunately for the people of Australia who love their pets, the puppy farms are starting up in droves to fill the void . I have noticed the RSPCA is gladly supplying them ‘RSPCA APPROVED” signs after paying the fees.

only repeated what I was told, its tragic anyone should be pushed to that, daughter did work experience with a few vets as she had indended doing vet science... was shocked at how stressful the job is so did medical science instead, wasn't the pets that were the problem, it is the owners

and to be an "ethical" breeder your supposed to sell your puppies for less than it cost to raise them. BUT................ it is not the people wanting a puppy saying that. It is fellow ANKC members who can afford to sell their puppies for less than it cost to raise them. Friend is a vet and he too says so many of his friends have ended it because of the stress. Green dream being the one of choice

Cant remember the first year but 15 years later a young locum gave my puppies full dose protech c3 despite what I did ask for. three were dead before I was back home and the last pup died shortly after. his excuse to his boss was if the pups could not tolerate the recommended dose they were better culled from the breed. He was fired, but that didn't bring back any of the lost puppies and they were their mums last litter. all her previous pups had been male. so end of her maternal line thanks to an incredibly egotistical ignorant prat I asked him what would he do to all the murry grey cattle and the dog breeds susceptible to ivermectin? his reply. He would dose them all and then only continue the breeds with the survivors... would save having to dna test but I well remember before it was known ivermectin could kill susceptible animals , one farmer woke to find over half their murray greys had died overnight. very expensive cull But then it would not have been that vets loss. not even his boss who fired him offered me back the money I was charged for the injections that killed my puppies. I did not take them to be euthanised