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gee this crossing everything to a poodle its going too far now?

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spotted on face plant " So learn your breeds and choose wisely. For both your’s and the dog’s sake. Mysia Zagłada FCI 16 tSeputfeSmphmgbenionsrs 20l1rrogeorauedSln9 · (on photo it is play, not agression) "The art of training a dog owner. Dog owner tells me: Hi, my dog pulls on the leash and runs into the woods after deer if I let it off leash. Me: Okay. What's the breed? Owner: A siberian husky mixed with a coon hound. Me: Okay, so you have a musher mixed with a hunting type of dog? Owner: yes. Me: ok, what are these breeds bred to do? Owner: well, half of the dog should be pulling and the other half run into the woods and hunt. Me: Yes. And your problem was? Owner: it pulls on the leash and runs after wildlife. Me: yea, it appears that you have a dog meant for pulling and hunting. Owner: yes, that's correct. Can you train it out of the dog? Me: Do you have any interests? Owner: Eh, yea sure I do. I like to paint and watch movies. Me: can you consider quitting doing that? Owner: no, I don't think I can. But what does this have to do with dog training? Me: would you consider doing something else that gives you the same pleasure you get from painting and watching movies? Owner: I mean, sure I can do other things but it's not as fun. Me: ok. And what can you offer a musher that is more fun than pulling and a hunting dog that is more fun than hunting? The dog owner is silent for a while. Owner: That's a good question. I don't know. Me: neither do I. Owner: perhaps I should had gotten myself a PlayStation? Me: haha, yea if you dont like hunting or being a lot outdoors training perhaps this dog isn't for you. Owner: yea, one should perhaps read up more before getting a dog. But it's awfully cute! Me: yes, I understand that. Owner : it sheds a lot too. My husband goes crazy of all the fur everywhere. Me: mmm, that's something you have to deal with. Owner : yes, it was even hairs in the stew last night. Me: yea that's not uncommon. Owner : but you know what? I met a husky when I was 12. It was so beautiful. Ever since I've always wanted one. Me: too bad you didn't meet a PlayStation instead. Owner laughs: alright, I think I'm starting to understand that it's not the dog that has problems but me. Me: haha, not much of a "problem". What you are saying is very common. People with guarding dogs gets angry when their dog growls at strangers. People with sighthounds gets frustrated when their dog comes home with a baby rabbit. People often know too little when they get a dog. Owner : thanks for the chat. I have learned a lot in 10 minutes. Me: good luck in the future. There's a lot we can do to help you in your training with the dog. But The dog will always have a need and joy to pull and hunt. Owner: yes, I can understand that now." Author unknown.

my aunt bred them for decades and I cant remember her having anything but white with the occasional black eyepatch or to eye patches

Gee even cattledogs are going up A nice red $3000

well that darned investigation into the rspca sure did nothing positive so far

some 20 years ago I received a phone call from a lady to say her puppies photo was being used in a puppy for sale add. I had bred the puppy and when she sent me the site address all the photos were of puppies I had bred? it was a person in victoria and I reported it to the police. apparently she had scammed thousands from people before they caught her so its not a new thing

sadly another person made the mistake of thinking RSPCA Yagoona is safe to use as a vet surgery. Took their cat for a "check up" made the fatal mistake of telling how they acquired her. I hope she goes to the press. They are not a vet surgery, NEVER take your pet there if you hope to see it again. Apparently happened this week. 16/9/20 Cheyenne Speed 1d For the past month I had been feeding this beautiful pregnant mum and kittens from our local gym. I then captured them all to try and get them rehomed to have a better life. I have been able to home the kittens(they were 5 months old)! And the pregnant mum had a home too! We took the pregnant cat who was about 1-2 weeks away from giving birth in to RSPCA Australia RSPCA NSW FOR A CHECK UP (they have Vet services at the location taken) We specifically told you we will take her back and look after her. She was just going in for a check up, you said you would keep her overnight just for observation (due to give birth in a week so wanted to check she was healthy and prepared for birth ) We were on the way to pick her up but you called and said you’ll keep her for a couple extra days to monitor her, we said that’s fine let us know when we can come collect her before she gives birth so she isn’t stressed. We didn’t get that call, we contacted you a few times to get updates because you hadn’t called but couldn’t get through and today you told us you EUTHANIZED HER AND HER KITTENS. I am absolutely heartbroken, I feel so incredibly guilty and I have been sitting on my floor in tears. I captured them for a better a life, we would have given this to her, BUT YOU TOOK THIS AWAY FROM HER AND US!! We ONLY took her to you for a check up, because you preach love and care for animals, we thought she would be safe. My whole dance studio was invested in these beautiful cats, they donated food and money to help these kittens and pregnant cat. I went there daily, sometimes twice a day to feed them. Your excuse you told us over the phone... she wouldn’t be domesticated. That wasn’t your call to make, WE TOLD YOU WE WOULD TAKE HER BACK, you were just supposed to do the check up. We need answers and you need to be held accountable. This post won’t bring her back but maybe it will highlight what you do behind the scenes. Don’t preach love and care for animals and decide to kill a cat and her kittens that were due to be born in a week when she had a home. I know we can’t save them all, but she was saved. I am so sorry to everyone and most of all sorry for this beautiful cat that never got the chance to have a forever home and be given the love she deserved.

I expect there is a thread on it. but cant seem to spot one. I have a bitch a friend wants to lease and put to the male of his choice. what can I ask for or expect in return? totally new territory for me

hilarious, if they dont want shedding coat they had to keep reintroducing the poodle or end up with shedding coats heard that some are advertising pure bred poodles as oodles

well being precious, ethical and responsible has done wonders for the prices of unregistered dogs?

ditto for these, also on Trading Post, farm bred not ANKC https://www.tradingpost.com.au/Pets-And-Horses/Dogs/Cattle-Pups/Windsor/NSW/AdNumber=T575VJ

Hope you are sitting down. none ot these are ANKC breeder puppies

so true Dogsfevr, that fit to fly certificate can only be issued by a vet who obviously did not spot the heart murmur I had not advertised a litter for cant remember when, yet I am getting three to five people a day wanting me to put them on a waiting list, past clients and people who have friends who passed my name so that breeder having a long, long, long waiting list is probably spot on

LOL the lab nearly went nuts. they reran it expanding the markers, then reran a third time expanding even further the samples had been sent to sire verify a foal that was supposed to be by the aethon son. but I knew he is a dominate grey and the foal was chestnut and was not going to go grey. otherwise it would never have been discovered. the only marker different was the Aethon son had two grey genes and the Razaz son only one grey gene. which incidently I already knew anyway. Razaz is chestnut so it was impossible for his son to have two grey markers. so the DNA profile was for the societys satisfaction.. What else it proved was a surprise all round OH! their blood type was identical too. This was done so long ago the grey marker had not been identified as such yet. but the fact they found two similar markers on the Aethon son and only one in the same locus of the Razaz son was the only difference they could find . The chap who found it was shouted dinner.

this boy is by Aethon from Caprice What they have in common is all four parents are from Department of Agriculture Studs. both have Sala and Razaz in their pedigree along with Shahzada in the case of the Aethon son he has 7 crosses to Shahazada. The Razaz son has also Sala and 1 cross to Shahzada. So how on earth could their DNA BE SO ALIKE ? both Sala and Razaz were SCIDS carriers. Neither of these descendants are SCIDS carriers. So to a lab sheet, these two are the same.... only a breeder looking at these horses can decide which would best suit individual females... because according to the lab they are the same. Obviously they most definitely are not the same .... are they If you are scratching your head wondering what differences? the top boy is far shorter in the back, far longer legs and much higher neck set, head is much shorter with dished face. If you want to become a breeder you need to learn to read the dna sheets, you need to learn what to look for in the living individual just as much, because those dna sheets cant see what you can in the live animal. remember, tis said, the camel was built by a committee.

for example. the DNA profiles for these two horses was discovered to be identical this boy is by Razaz from Hemera

bit puzzled Sandgrubber once your dogs have been dna profiled for the defect markers for their breed, you dont need to labs to tell you which dogs not to use. Equally which ones not to put together You can see that for yourself? They will be there in black and white which markers they carry and which they are clear for.

Just spotted this posted on face plant. exactly what that faceplanter showed me about herself yesterday.... Pity so many feel the need to discriminate anyone Alyce Comer 19 June Let this sink in, and if it doesn’t, read it over and over until it does.

Good point, pity there is a cohort that see themselves as the guardians who need to make moves to drive members to resign To thus incrementally reduce the number of ankc dogs as their dogs are then lost to the registry, ditto for the pups no longer bred because those who remain are afraid to draw attention to themselves if they breed more than 1 or two litters. The self appointed guardians scan every litter registration in the news letter and get busy dialing once a kennel name has appeared more often than they deem acceptable... even though there is nothing in the code of ethics restricting a member from having multiple dogs or breeding litters from them. Being a member of your breed club does not keep you safe, not even showing and winning will keep you safe, not even being an active committee member helping to run shows will keep you safe from the Thought Police Guardians as myself and friends have found the hard way. I found it very illuminating when the person who intimated I was a puppy farmer and thus by inference anything I said was suspect. (the subject was puppy deaths after vaccination, so why the need to attack is beyond my understanding? } when I suggested she too could be called out as a puppy farmer as her facility although state of the art and beautiful, It also meant her dogs are not kept and bred in her home, exactly why a friend was called a puppy farmer by the cohort who believe anyone who does not rise their puppies in their home is a puppy farmer. Her reaction went skitso. Demanded I delete what I had said (I didn't ask her to delete what she said to me?) She said my words had "left a bad taste in her mouth" "destroyed her pleasure in sharing her photos" Well hello pet isn't that just what you did to me? So? she felt so badly by my words, yet she had no hesitation in saying what she had now shown she intended me to feel as badly as she was now complaining about? All I was trying to point out, there is the unfortunate fact there is always some who looks at you and thinks you are not within their acceptable parameter. Even though you most certainly are within the ANKC Code of ethics.

If Richard my vet is right we have less than ten years to stop the ankc becoming insolvent.... I know my friends who are 20 year or over members are concerned he may be right... Am surprised to day to learn younger members are beginning to wonder the same... but watching the boat go over the fall without trying to prevent it is not going to do our dogs any good for the future of the breeds is it? The silent majority have been silent too long assuming all will work out in the end... Hopefully it will, but what if it doesn’t ? It is very hard to stand up to the bullies. I know from painful experience. But turning the other cheek by so many is what has got us to this point. The bullies who accuse any who do not comply with their unwritten code of practice version... ie never breed except for a new show pup, never breed more than 1 or at most two litters from your bitch, for example.................... (which is NOT the actual Official Code of Practice to be found on the individual ANKC state branch sites) have had their way too long. At least you can respect the self appointed thought police ones who voice their opinion with their name to it in writing or to your face even though it is very hurtful and humiliating The slinkers, say nothing to your face, they quietly dial the rspca, animal welfare and your local council and make complaints about your dogs welfare, to the council, they are barking, even though they live on the other side of the state. The slinkers keep it up until if they get lucky a narky rspca inspector uses the opportunity to seize your dog or dogs in hope of a conviction and free press to bring in a windfall of donations. Even if they do not charge you and return your dog or dogs, the slinkers keep up the "where there’s smoke there's fire' in hopes the target will be so traumatised they give up their dogs and membership... Have good reason to do so, has been pretty successful AS for winning the jackpot and the target is charged and usually pleads guilty if they don’t want to lose their home and all they own to the solicitors fees., then they gleefully report the target to the ankc to have their membership cancelled.. At least the latest who pointed the gun and fired at me, did it with her name on what she said. Interesting two called her out for doing it. (Was targeted on a face plant forum yesterday.) No one would have before, so a few are getting tired of the witch hunting of fellow members. Perhaps is an encouraging sign maybe now is the time to call for changes before it’s too late ? Perhaps, It is about time the ANKC’s banned members from accusing fellow members of being puppy farmers.. let alone continue the practice of bullying fellow members to resign because the self appointed bullies decide they are not complying with their idea of the code of ethics. Despite the fact the targeted member is complying with the code of ethics as published by the ANKC of their state! Come to think of it, cant enforce that idea anyway. otherwise will still continue to lose members who then feel THEIR rights have been infringed.???????????? Well, time to pull up a chair, break out the popcorn and chips and see how the movie ends IF Richard IS RIGHT, we dont have long to wait . YIKES! Night all.

so do you mean ALL breeders are puppy farmers as in the derogatory sense that the thought police are determined to eliminate?

My friend made a suggestion as for what is the true definition of a puppy farmer. "Leonie I say puppies farmers are the ones who cross breed (mongrels) not registered purebred." Why has no one suggested this before? All the people hounded out over the decades, accused of being puppy farmers because they didn't show, or produced more litters than the thought police thought acceptable... even though not one of these people had breached the code of ethics, incidentally We who have watched this bullying over the decades and said nothing. Have let these bullies get louder and more savage. My vet has bet me that the ANKC will be insolvent within ten years along with the majority of pedigree dogs extinct. without members ceasing this never ending purging of anyone they dont like, cease making it hard to impossible to get a main register pup, let along register a prefix he will be right. .

As this is a purebred dog forum. What are your thoughts to this subject? reading this rises a very valid problem our breeds are facing. "I mentioned how my dogs live because it used to irk me *a lot* when l was breeding Maltese a certain fellow Maltese breeder first name Jan, used to delight in telling everyone who would listen that l was a Puppy Farmer. This was apparently because l only showed my Malts once a year at the Royal. My Malts had free run of the house, not penned all day, and all of them slept on my bed. I still have my very first Maltese, she is 15 now and still going strong. She produced 4 beautiful litters for me, containing 4, 4, 4 and 5 puppies, the pups all went to very grateful pet homes. Grateful to be able to buy quality pets from a reputable breeder. It saddens me enormously that some people in the the dog world can't embrace the thought of us breeding simply to produce pet puppies. There is such an enormous market for them, and by not meeting that demand, we have allowed the oodle farmers to pick up those sales." When did it become a problem that members who breed pets were discouraged? The ANKC historically IS a register for pure bred dogs.... not SHOW dogs only! The shift to exclusivity to if you do not show, your a puppy farmer. Has done nothing good for the purebred dog. It has been pet owners deciding they love their breed and become members and register a prefix which is what keeps the gene pool and the ANKC GOING. you only need to read the stats in the "Forensic view of Puppy Breeding In Australia 2017" then compare the continual falling figures from 1990's to today to reinforce the pure bred gene pool is reaching unsustainable level. The cause? the vilification of anyone who does not proudly state they only breed to show. put purebred puppies out of the reach of the people who historically were our future ANKC members and this is the inevitable result.... When will the ANKC WAKE up and address this? A dead end kennel is nothing to be proud of. But this is what is being touted as the epitome of ethical responsible? Toe the imaginary line or risk being attacked by a self appointed thought policer. Is it true that the British ANKC is classifying unregistered dogs for grading up to increase genetic diversity and numbers for failing breed numbers? I know this was done here for the Stumpy Tailed Cattledog. because the dead end kennel mentality had them down to only one registered breeder. If the members do not start addressing this who will? Just one example :- . 1988 -- 2,018 Maltese puppies registered.... 2019 -- 198 Maltese puppies registered Google ANKC National Registration Statistics, for your breed of interest. Considering the enormous population growth no wonder there is a huge growth in non ANKC people breeding to meet this market with subsequent loss of potential members. Let alone the gene pool lost. http://ankc.org.au/media/6598/a-forensic-view-of-puppy-breeding-in-australiav4.pdf or how many prefer the adopt dont shop? Wonder how long before if you want a dog you need to plan ahead to have your old dog cloned before its too late, like Barbara Streisand? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/style/barbra-streisand-cloned-her-dog.html wonder if the clone is from an ANKC purebred, if down the track we can just register the clones as well?

interesting, yet we are hearing the last thing you should do is breed now, especially never let anyone wanting a pup for company during covid19, they will just dump or neglect it once the lockdown's are over. why and when did dog people become so negatively judgemental and coat it as being ethical and responsible?