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for decades the thought police have been telling us, you should not ask a price to cover the cost of breeding a puppy, that's why puppy prices for ankc puppies stayed low for so long. The desire to be seen as ethical and responsible meant you never bred except to replace the parents. only a puppy farmer bred more than that and the second the thought police decided, they got busy dialing rspca, animal welfare and local council to humiliate the target and hoping they would be charged with something. the assumption if you bred your dogs you had to do so at a loss somehow made you a better person had me at a loss, I used to ask does your doctor, your plumber, your mechanic say im ethical, im responsible my time is worth nothing, im happy to do the job for less than the cost of parts and equipment? as for a wage to live on? no my time is worth nothing. I want to be ethical and responsible that's all I desire. why the ankc's main base of pensioners in the 80's began to disappear as they just could not dare ask enough to cover the ever rising costs of living let alone vet bills, it was a decades long campaign to restrict all but the independently wealthy from breeding if you were an ankc member. it was unrelenting destruction from within, the steady decline in membership, litters bred is all there to see in the annual returns. as for the eliminating puppy farms and back yard breeders, well all that has achieved is legislation to ensure the existence of the POCTA inspections which is what? Blue print for a puppy farm? As a friend said not that long ago, I dont think we belong in the ankc anymore, the first prerequisite for being a member today is stupidity. I am AMAZED people here are finally speaking sense. only taken 40 years. CONGRATULATIONS ALL.

oodles can never become a fixed type, until their admirers can select for the non shedding gene just for one or there is no point to the resulting puppies anyway. BUT as so many see, too many oodle lovers keep forgetting they need to be regularly groomed AND CLIPPED. TOO MANY poodle owners forget too. I gave up grooming other peoples because they would turn up with an unwashed, ungroomed bundle of knots to the skin and expect to pay the same price as a clean tangle free. forget it as for more and more laws? you cant legislate out stupid. nice if it could be done though

the ankc is largely geared to exclusion. exclusion of anyone perceived to not breeding only to replace for the next generation. exclusion of anyone perceived to breed pets. my friends Nancy Gate and Betty Stepkovitch used to occasionally take one of mine and show it to champion to shut up the people who thought I was not showing enough and stop dialing the rspca to try and get me into trouble enough to give up being a member and that was from 1980 on. I did show occasionally but I did not like the show scene, I did not like attitudes of too many there, I sure did not like that too many saw no problem with ceaser only lines long as they won in the ring? I would argue, how can you do this? what if someone outback buys one? if no vet near to do a ceaser she will die? when my sister wanted a cavalier it took me six months to find a litter that neither the parents or puppies had hernias? a supposed top breeder told me "no way will I keep second best because its hernia free, i doubt you will be able to find a hernia free cavalier within 12 years" all that before pedigree dogs exposed what I already knew, a ribbon was more important than health in the show world they had lost the plot longer ago than many realise

only a breeder is supposed to fit the ethical responsible definition by making so little they could not afford to breed unless the sufficient finances to do so at a loss, your time alone is considered to be worth nothing without factoring food, vet, maintenance and parasite, heartworm etc. the mainstay of ankc breeder members used to be pensioners who relied on the 'pin money from their puppies.

umm its not just our domestic pets in danger according to this. serious food for thought, pardon the pun. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/sep/17/are-we-eating-ourselves-to-extinction?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR0s4ftAobzaygq6g4iYhApDxbfIvwx8kpNXhfEifEsguuasxbh3jlH_9Kc

"Jessica Hekman: I think it would be that the way that we handle dog breeding as a society is not keeping up with the changes of the 21st century, and that we need to change how we handle dog breeding. I don't think that the changes are actually that difficult. I think the most difficult thing will be overcoming the entrenched perspective in the culture of dog breeding about being what an ethical, responsible breeder looks like. If we can start changing what that picture of a responsible, ethical breeder is, or expanding it to include some new characters, that would be the message that I would want to get across to everybody" be a miracle to get them working together for the good of the dogs but have to keep hoping. the alternative is extinction

they went rogue in 1990's people are incredibly slow learners spotted a fb post we have until 17th sept to apply to have their powers removed eg this the email address, [email protected] you dont have long to act............ n pray for the miracle the dept actually act eh? i sent this. to - [email protected] Re: the compliance section of the RSPCA (RSPCA Inspectors) be disbanded PLEASE COMPLY withe the recommendations of this man. WHAT HE WROTE IN 2010 IS IN EVEN MORE URGENT NEED OF IMPLEMENTATION. being a Public Prosecutor he saw exactly what best practice used to be. and the unaccountable monsters that they have allowed the RSPCA to become by our lax politicians to have now morphed into.............A MULTIMILLION corporate business, answerable to no one. No longer a 'charity' and both 'charity' and 'royal' status should be cancelled. " The two submission I would like the Honorable Committee to consider are that the compliance section of the RSPCA (RSPCA Inspectors) be disbanded and that all the duties that they try to perform in relation to the investigation and brief preparation for alleged offences under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 (the Act), be given to sworn Constables of the NSW Police Force in particular the Rural Crime Unit. My second submission is that all prosecutions under the Act be done by Police Prosecutors in the Local Court jurisdiction." Please! Act now and stop the abuse of power by the rspca Yours Sincerely i include Mr Leon Mills 2010 submission to which I refer. 3rd June 2010 The Honorable Members General Purpose Standing Committee No.5 Inquiry into the R S P C A raid on the Waterways Wildlife Park Dear Members, My full name is Leon Andrew Mills and I have resided in Gunnedah since 1982, I moved to Gunnedah as a result of my applying for the Police Prosecutors position for the Gunnedah Local Court Circuit. I continued in that position until my retirement in 2006. In 2008 I stood in the Local Government elections and was successful in gaining office as a Gunnedah Shire Councillor. I am still in that position today. The two submission I would like the Honorable Committee to consider are that the compliance section of the RSPCA 9RSPCA Inspectors) be disbanded and that all the duties that they try to perform in relation to the investigation and brief preparation for alleged offences under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 (the Act), be given to sworn Constables of the NSW Police Force in particular the Rural Crime Unit. My second submission is that all prosecutions under the Act be done by Police Prosecutors in the Local Court jurisdiction. RSPCA Inspectors obtain their powers s a result of being issued an Authority under .section 4D(2) of the Act. In relation to this Inquiry it is clear that Inspectors Prowse and French have no idea of their powers. I say that on this basis, the Act is clear in relation to what an inspector can do and is set out in Division 2 of the Act. On the Friday following the taking of the Koalas a report was broadcast on the 6.30am local A B C News that Officer Prowse said the reason for taking the Koalas was that they were “stressed”. There is no power under the Act to take an animal that is stressed. It alledging distress, as referred to in Section 24H subsection (5) of the Act, there is no evidence at all that any of these animals were suffering debility, exhaustion or significant physical injury. To support what I am submitting, the Honorable Committee would note that the Officers examined the Koalas at about 10.30-11am. They gave no treatment to these Koalas from that time until after 4.30pm, why? There was nothing wrong with them, and of course we are talking about Officers that would be expected to take immediate action if an animal was suffering debility, exhaustion or significant physical injury. These two Officers had to do something and they illegally removed these Koala for the sole purpose of the T V show R S P C A Animal Rescue. To further support this submission the head of the R S P C A Mr Steve Coleman said no proceedings would be taken against Nancy Small as a result of community outrage. I completely reject this statement. As a former Police Prosecutor of 28 years both in the city and country on rare occasions there is community outrage when some proceedings are taken. I have never before heard of proceedings for a criminal matter being abandoned or not brought because of community outrage. The reason there were no proceedings brought was that there was nothing wrong with these animals. Offences under the act are Criminal. Officers French and Prowse were supposed to be “investigating” this matter. It is interesting to note the quality of this so called investigation. No interview with Nancy Small or any other carers of these Koalas. No exhibits such as, stool samples, feed provided in the Koala enclosure, photos for identifications of each Koala, no tagging for identification. When one looks at the R S P C A Seizure Notice re this matter S N 010 16 the Officers have not even identified the Koalas to the extent of their sex. This so called investigation is absolutely pathetic and shows the quality of how RSPCA inspectors carry out their duties. The N S W police have a branch now called the Rural Crime Unit these branches operated both in the city and country. They are staffed by sworn Police who have been fully trained in investigation techniques. Many of these Officers are fully trained Detectives. It would be my respectful submission that these officers should take over the compliance section of the R S P C A. Of course it would require extra staff and resources. It would be my suggestion that appropriate funding could be transferred from the funding the State Government gives to the R S P C A to the Police Budget. Another benefit of a transfer to Police is that all Police investigations are subject to review by independent authorities such as the Ombudsman or I C A C. This is not the case with R S P C A inspectors, they answer to no one other than themselves. On the 18th of February last I attended the local branch meeting of the R S P C A as the head of the organization Mr Steve Coleman was attending. During the course of the meeting he answered a number of questions re the Waterways incident. Mrs. Dodd asked him a question being, “who can I complain to”, Mr Coleman’s response was “the Chief Inspector of the RS S P C A”. From a community point of view in this day and age it is totally unacceptable that we have an organization such as this that when a complaint comes in they investigate themselves. The subject Koalas were living in a happy well cared for environment when they were illegally removed by Inspectors French and Prowse. One of the females had a baby Koala in her pouch that Mrs Small was aware of. I have been told that the R S P C A Inspectors became aware of this fact over the 48 hours following their removal. One of the other Koalas was an elderly female that Mrs Small has described as the “Old Lady”. Mrs Small has never denied that this Koala was elderly and whilst ever in good health could live out her days in the Koala Enclosure. Both these Koalas that were supposed to being cared for by Inspectors French and Prowse are now dead so I ask this question what investigation has the RSPCA done in relation to the deaths of these Koala or am I correct in assuming that when an animal dies because of the ignorance or lack of care by that inspector no investigation takes place. This is another example as to why the Police should take over these responsibilities so that when this type of incident occurs it can be properly investigated or reviewed by an appropriate authority. I referred earlier in this document to the fact that prior to my retirement I was the police Prosecutor for the Gunnedah Court Circuit. During the 1980’s and 1990’s and in some cases still to this day besides representing Police informants in Court Police prosecutors represent many other entities, for example, Probation and Parole, National Parks and Wildlife, D O C S, Roads and Traffic Authority and the RSPCA. Over the years until about 2000, every so often I would receive a brief from an RSPCA Inspector who would be the informant usually in more than one information. If the matter was a “not guilty” plea I would present the case on behalf of the informant. If the offence or offences were proved some costs would be sought by the Informant that would usually be for witness expenses and any fodder that may have been required to give to the animals in question. No Legal professional costs were ever sought. In addition a fact I feel is relevant is that Police Prosecutors DPP Prosecutors and Crown Prosecutors have a duty to place all the evidence before the Court. Each carries a custodial penalty of 2 years imprisonment. True there is a difference in the monetary penalty but goal is the most severe penalty for a Criminal Offence. A common assault is one where the victim suffers no serious injury. For some reason the Parliament does not view aggravated cruelty as a serious offence at law. The RSPCA since about 2000, to my knowledge, have been engaging private solicitors to conduct their prosecutions and one might ask why did they move to this system. It is my submission that this practice should cease and that Police Prosecutors should conduct the prosecutions for the RSPCA. I say that on this basis. By engaging private Solicitors or barristers there is no obligation on them to place before the Court evidence that may disadvantage their case. Legal and Professional Costs come into play. If their prosecution is successful they would ask for these costs. It seems unbelievable that recently in one of their prosecutions at Narrabri an amount in excess of a quarter of a million dollars was sought for costs in a matter heard in the Local Court, and as I said before, an offence not serious at law. In conclusion it is my humble opinion that inspectors French and Prowse have no knowledge in respect to their obligations under the Act and it is clear they see their careers more in the field of TV and to add insult to injury when asked a question by myself about the TV show RSPCA Animal Rescue and their role in this incident when he attended Gunnedah on the 18th February last, Mr Coleman’s explanation was and I quote, “the Officers had been on another job with them and when they said they were going to Gunnedah the crew said we might just tag along” end quote. I informed him that I did not accept that explanation at all. It’s a sad situation when the head of such an organization is trying to assist the coverup. Yours faithfully Leon Mills Councilor Gunnedah Shire Council '

not yet but PETA n the rspca are working to achieve it. PETA TO SPEED UP THE EXTINCTION of domestic dogs n cats, rspca to increase prices n thus income for their sales of surrendered n taken for resale. the other agenda is yearly fee from all POCTA inspected breeders, aka all to pay for the 'rspa approved' logo. joe public too stupid to see the agenda. it began in 1980's, approaching fruition. this was published 2017, the figures bred are continuing to decrease annually https://ankc.org.au/media/6598/a-forensic-view-of-puppy-breeding-in-australiav4.pdf yet our population looking for a pet increases annually interesting some have inched up, but still not in line with population growth https://ankc.org.au/media/9475/rego-stats-list_2010-2020v2.pdf

MY NIECE PAID $7000 for a cavoodle, its blue merle? no cav i ever heard of carried blue or merle? ditto for poodles where merle is concerned.. worlds gone mad? https://www.windsweptpoodle.com/about-the-merle-poodle.html

PETA began the chant, we have to eliminate backyard breeders and puppy farms. even in 1980's just about none twigged, we all have a backyard so all are thus to be eliminated. as for eliminating puppy farms? to pass the POCTA INSPECTION? blueprint for a puppy farm. IDIOT'S

they say they are 'ethical and responsible' as if its garlic to ward off evil? your all right, its about preventing competition with no thought for the future. as one long time friend commented, its as if now to be an ankc member the first prerequisite is stupidity? where is continuing the legacy of the breeders before you in a dead end breeder?

all the rules, all the guilt, all the 'adopt not shop' all the attacks on anyone who breeds a litter comes from one objective. the extinction of domestic dogs and cats its taken from 1980's to get to this point............... is it too late to wake up you have been manipulated by peta? PETA was chortling last Melbourne cup meeting radio interview they expect their extinction "within this generation" demonising any breeder for imperfection is ignoring the fact NO parent can guarantee their child's health for life, yet are expected to guarentee the liftime health of a pup? stupidity or arrogance? take your pick. life is a lottery always has been always will. we are not printing books, all the same. every conception is a lottery of millions of possibilities you, your spouse, your child, YOUR PET face reality, before its too late DNA profiling has millions as yet unmapped

the ignorance added to the arrogance of too many humans is appalling. the no go zone necessary is only 100 mtrs at most, usually less. love my photo of the plover unsheathing its spur's because tdierixk had wiggled less than another a foot closer to get a good photo and it decided she had crossed the no go line. the immenent threat is palpable, second she moved back they were resheathed n they were content to warn us to come no closer they have rights

marking out a no go zone for the humans and no more attacked. its not as if they are guarding a big area

when I was a teen our border collie changed, turned out he had a brain tumour

Littlepround? Hes the one who in partnership with Barnaby Joyce drafted and got passed the water trading scheme. He even created the offshore company that his family now run so he cant be accused of conflict of interest. yet he was the chairman when he created it. How can anyone with a consience turn a public property into a share market to profit share holders of what was a public asset on the driest continent on earth? whats the odds if he sees possible profit in it creating a pet meat trading scheme too?

Sounds pretty valid points. They shut down Eastern Creek because they were too lazy to spend the money to prevent another viral escape like the Equine Influenza that shut down so much of eastern Australia. made a motza selling it for an industrial area instead of using the profits to build another in a far more suitable area that was not so close to peoples homes and pets, dogs, cats and horses, susceptible to the infections that can arrive at a quarantine station that could be infected and thus spread it. A shuttle stallion at the Victorian facility also had Equine Influenza from the same flight as the NSW infected shuttle stallion. The difference was it didn't escape the Victorian facility and infect the local Victorian horses, unlike Eastern Creek. considering how much they charge to hold these animals its unconscionable that there is no care or vet staff on hand 24/7 Although considering the proven unconscionable attitudes of politician's over the last months and years sadly not surprising. Demanding better election promises would be a solution, unfortunately past election promises have proven that they will promise anything to get in and then do as they please instead. Well remember a radio host, Stan Zarmanic, suggesting a pool be donated to sue Paul Keating for failing to deliver an election promise and within minutes over $250,000 had been pledged and lines jammed with people wanting to donate. A barrister called and advised him unlike a tradesman giving a quote and being held to account for substandard result for it. the laws do not permit the suing of a politician for breach of promise.

I have one just like it. think she has otter in her. tried a half plastic barrel so she couldn't empty it. well? spends half the day in it. LOVES her swimming pool. so sopping wet hugs most of the time. wondering about getting an automatic waterer. but suspect will need to put it where I have water loving plants as I suspect she will just keep splashing the water out? but at least then only wet paws instead of entire body, sigh at lest being stainless steel shouldn't break? I suspect have to put metal pipe fittings too or anything else would be considered dental floss.

I half agree with you Scratch, but? We dont know the story behind the owners either and call for "outrage and pure vitriol for the OWNERS of these animals." is too over the top sorry. Where is the "outrage and pure vitriol for the" nursing homes subjecting our parents and grandparents to immeasurable suffering? What is wrong with the society who will feel "outrage and pure vitriol for" anyone perceived to have let their pets down, but incapable of equally witch hunting those who do the same to another human being? easier? certainly. Has their owner found themselves gone into hospital, nursing home, developing dementia or Alzheimer's, cancer, lost their home, died?

sometimes I wonder if these "researchers" just come up with anything to justify funding?

so glad for you.

doesn't explain families that came from a cultural background where no one kept a dog as they were considered unclean. Never forget the first time they met my dogs, they came to visit and the dogs were out, I could hear screaming, raced out to find the three children were trying to climb their mother in terror to escape the three chihuahua's that had ran up to them for a pat. Their mum was screaming in terror louder than the children. Took a while to get them used tot them. Another family had been hired for an upcoming add. I was asked to supply a puppy, the children were to run in the park with the puppy. the minute they were introduced to me I realised they had no knowledge of dogs, even a puppy, they were afraid of. Whoever the casting agent was missed a rather important thing. so. set up the puppy pen. put down blankets and got mum, dad and the two children to sit on the blankets and told them they must stay seated. held the puppy so each could pet it. as they began to relax i let the puppy go and it ran to each for attention. so lucky I had 2 hours to get them relaxed interacting with the puppy. so much so in the end the director made the parents sit on the picnic blanket and not allowed to interact with the puppy as they were taking it over from the children. How many of you saw the Sydney wide add when they were building the new freeways? 'We are building a better Sydney'? the parents picnicking and the little boy running to his parents and sister with his blue heeler puppy which jumped the ball as they ran to the parents? When my cheque arrived it had another $300 extra? When I rang to say they have overpaid me I was told, 'the director likes problem solver's. He saw you educating the children and parents so the shoot wasn't a disaster'. emigrate to Australia, get to meet the neighbours dogs and get one themselves. again generations that never had horses, yet get to know them and now also have horses all the children of these families have grown up and all have a dog for themselves and their children too. wonder how those researchers would explain that then?

When mine was stolen in 1999 according to the then Minister for Agriculture Richard Amery, 'the inspector formed the opinion the dogs best interests would be served by seizure and removal to the Yagoona facility' Mind you that is a massive power, considering all they have to do is 'form the opinion' with no avenue of appeal when said 'opinion' was formed despite the dog had none of the conditions they then proceeded to test him for all at my cost? Even more disturbing none of the tests were done for conditions listed as requiring immediate seizure? They were all tests done for conditions the owner is supposed to have 14 days to take to their vet which if not complied with. Will then be seized! They have immense powers and have had them then 1992 since my friends horses were also taken on the 'formed the opinion; they all had feed and water. so much for them saying their ' hands are tied' if the animal they dont want to take has feed and water. Only 'tied' when they tie them themselves Last year they were given $250,000 by the nsw government to eliminate puppy farms. Instead they rebadged the new task force as 'POCTA compliance force' Which instead of inspecting unregistered puppy farms, is busy inspecting all registered breeders for compliance. What has been so disturbing to the inspected, they issued $500 on the spot fines for any issues the inspector deemed was not compliant. no time given to fix it first as was the case in the past. One lady was hit for $1500. They are also 'interpreting the POCTA' as they see fit. There is nothing in the legislation that exercise area must be minimum of 6 feet. But that is the new addition. Another instance of deciding to 'form the opinion' in this case with nothing to do with animal welfare Many have discovered when they paid for colour bond fences which if you read the suppliers adds invariably say are 1800, it has been discovered when the inspector puts the rule to them almost without fail are minimum 2 inches short . All told they must add the extra 2 inches. Wonder if they are still inspecting now the whole state is in lockdown?

double post for some reason?

Yes that is true, the Royal Canine Council realised its income from the register was heading south and to appeal to all dogs owners made the decision to change the public name to DOGS NSW. As a more welcoming name to all dog owners hence the formation of the Associate Register and Sporting register.. Thus widening the income base