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probably offended everyone insuinuating any connection between a furkid and an oat

found this " Mr ADRIAN PICCOLI (Murrumbidgee) [7.49 p.m.]: I rise to speak about the Department of Primary Industries agriculture station at Temora. I refer particularly to the oat breeding program conducted at the field station at Temora. There has been some discussion about the future of the program since the current oat breeder, Mr Glen Roberts, announced his retirement a little while ago. Concerns were expressed that the winter breeding trials might be terminated at the end of 2008 to coincide with his retirement, and that has been pretty well confirmed. The Temora Agricultural Research and Advisory Station has bred high-quality wheat and oat varieties for the State's growers for over 75 years and it is a major component of New South Wales Agriculture's bred wheat program. The ravages of the drought that we have endured for many years mean that it is now essential that varieties continue to be bred and trialled at Temora so that they can be refined not only for conditions that prevail at Temora but for those in the whole of the Western Riverina. With oats considered one of the healthiest cereals available to combat cholesterol, it seems unbelievable that the department is content to see oat breeding cease at Temora. The breeding program there is the only publicly funded program in New South Wales. The Temora Shire Council and the community have sought advice on the continuation of these programs. There is a feeling that it is essential that these crops continue to be bred and trialled at Temora to ensure that varieties are available to provide the best option for the farming community in Temora shire and across the State. The Department of Primary Industries a few days ago issued a statement to say that the Temora Agricultural Research and Advisory Station would not be closed. Whilst I appreciate that it will not close for the time being, the value of stations such as Temora is dependent on the activities that are undertaken there. If we do not have an oat breeding program there and other grain breeding programs throughout the grain belt in Western New South Wales we will lose a great asset that this State has had for well over 100 years. If we are not breeding grains in the areas in which they are to grow and are instead relying on trials conducted in greenhouses in Canberra, the United States and Europe we will not get the varieties we need that are particularly relevant to our weather conditions. The varieties of grains that grow well in central and northern New South Wales do not necessarily grow well in the Riverina or in Victoria. We need site-specific trials and breeding of these different grain varieties. With all the talk about world food shortages I think it is very unfortunate that over the past couple of decades grain breeding and the emphasis on research and development in agriculture have declined, particularly in western New South Wales. We will come to regret the downgrading of facilities at places such as Temora, Yanco and Deniliquin—two are in the Murrumbidgee electorate and Deniliquin used to be in my electorate—particularly Yanco with the TAFE training that was undertaken there, because of the world food shortages and the changes in climate being experienced across New South Wales. I can only call on the Department of Primary Industries to reconsider the funding cuts to all the agricultural research stations, but particularly the three in my electorate. I call on the department to reinstate some of the breeding programs so that we can continue to support our farmers to be the world's best in the growing and production of wheat and other grains. Last modified 20/08/2008 16:10:15 :" " REGIONAL BREEDING PERSPECTIVES - AUSTRALASIA Robyn McLean (i), Keith Armstrong (ii), John Oates (iii), Glen Roberts (iv), Leonard Song (v) and Pamela Zwer (vi) (i)Agriculture Western Australia, Locked Bag 4, Bentley Delivery Centre, Western Australia 6983 Email: [email protected] (ii)Crop and Food Research, Private Bag 4704, Christchurch, New Zealand. Email: [email protected] (iii)University of Sydney, Plant Breeding Institute, Private Bag 11, Camden, NSW 2570 Email: [email protected] (iv)NSW Agriculture and Fisheries, Agricultural Research and Advisory Station, PO Box 304, Temora, NSW 2666 Email: [email protected] (v)Queensland Department of Primary Industries, Leslie Research Centre, PO Box 2282, Toowoomba, Queensland 4350 Email: [email protected] (vi)SARDI, GPO Box 397, Adelaide, South Australia 5001 Email: [email protected] Now is a time of considerable change in breeding programs generally throughout Australasia, and oat breeding is no exception. We are facing changes in research funding arrangements, breeding directions and priorities, changing market and end user quality requirements, and the integration of new breeding technologies into our programs. It is also a time of exciting new prospects and opportunities to be seized by breeding programs. We have the opportunity to use new tools, such as marker technology, genetic engineering, doubled haploids, and others to improve our breeding programs and our ability to select superior lines. It is also a time in Australasia when we are starting to make significant advances in defining oat quality through our collaborations with end users and exporters. " somehow i doubt the vets who have decided they know best and are getting so much media attention have a miniscule of the genetic knowledge of these people mentioned above, these are the real people dog breeders should be seeking for knowledge i think?

rather a long time ago, i wanted something that was not in existance in australia. a black guinea pig. that bred true. not a big ask u would think? but nope no such critter. so i set out to create them. the gene base was 3 females and 2 males. 1 male was discovered to carry a lethal. so, to delete all his offspring would have me down to one foundation male, thanks to a genetist friend he mapped out for me how to delete the lethal by test mating any of his male descendants to females that had produced a lethal an no male that failed the test was kept only clear males used. in theory it should have taken minimum of 12 tested generations of males to eliminate the gene, luckily it was gone in 6. one female was so outstanding she was bred to her son, that son to her and that son to her in all 4 "generations" all with the same mum. n better every time. no lethals surfaced, although a lilac gene showed up along with a chocolate one as well creating another two new colours. the resulting progeny took out supreme champion at the initial interstate champion show. 15 years later and an awful lot of guinea pig generations later these descendants took out champion and supreme against the now dozens of imports since allowed into the country. yet i was told by the successfull exhibitors that they found to add the imported lines or any other outcross resulted in losing quality. so the winners and champion were totally traceable solely back to those 5 animals. a line that had at that stage went back 21 years to the original 5? now some 27 years later i learnt they still exist. so thats 49 years n still producing well with no lethals showing up pity dog breeding cant achieve the same results. n no dna tests available in them thar days to take shortcuts but it does take something thats pretty hard and very upsetting to do. totally ruthless in selection n culling. an wont pretend there wernt tears on the way. doubt i would have stuck it out without the guidance of old school breeders and my genetics friend now retired and known world wide for his genius in oat breeding research. he is the real brains behind them.

:rofl: :rofl: :D :D :D :D course not they will blame it on the "unethical" breeders/ parents of the next human generation surely?

ever occur to you thats exactly what they do to anyone that they please? ie the lady with the debarked dogs, (remember she is not being charged with debarking them, for "exhibiting them" may as well bring in you cant take a desexed dog to a public place either?) now there would be a real money maker. the rescue couple? the list is pretty long an the kicked have no place to go to for intercession on their behalf save the courts and that takes money, major money. and yep its no accident the legal profession is voted on a par with used car salesmen. they too can be totally incompetant and still charge like wounded bulls. never forget after a divorce case the law society was contacted to dispute a bill in excess of 2,000 for items listed as, "attendance on the phone," by the solicitor concerned to be told that their job was to ascertain if the charges were excessive, not to ascertain if they had been actually services rendered. the complainant had never spoken to the person on a phone, ever, yet was charged for a service never rendered?

nnnnn u only have to milk em once a day. dairy farmers would love em well i found the babies trived even on just one feed a day when i used to breed the show rabbits

since none of us were there its a case of nver know. although i would NEVER leave anyone near the gentlest girl i own if they had food in their hand. she just opens her mouth and chomp! lost a finger nail n she didnt even notice. somehow i suspect the toy was the total focus of the dog and the rest was a bit like my fingernail. in the wrong place at the wrong time. people dont seem able to realise they are not really 'fur kids" they dont know a digit or nose or whatever body part too close to a toy, food whatever needs to be avoided when excited and not paying full attention. yes some are savage by intent but more injouries occur during play than any other time and just jumping up to grab a toy and send a child flying if it is a young child. sooooooooo few people seem to have been around animals enough to remember this and never leave young children alone with their pet. as for what a child can do? well someone mentioned the pencil down the ear. i know a hysterical parent found their young pup dead its mouth and throat full of food, stuffed their by their child who assured them he was "just feeding it and it went to sleep and wouldnt wake up" its not just the child in danger.

I too know Russ and he is a fabulous person. he needs all the backing he can get.

breeding is so much more complicated than doing a few dna tests and thinking wow now they are guaranteed if they past them there another couple of tens of thousands of genes still to be located and their affects mapped

sadly so true jed. i bought my first purebred puppy some 30 years ago. what a change from today. if the puppy was up to standard you could have main registration , encouraged and mentored for the good of the breed. not today. want main registration. ooooo so you want to be a puppy farmer. not with my puppies. when the puppy farmer and backyard breeder labels began to bandy about i tried to warn the bandiers. hey we all have backyards we can all be branded with the tag. dont you see what you are doing. manufacturing the very knives that will stab you????? deaf ears all round. now its happened n "responsible" has now morphed into lifetime guarantees?????? you cant even guarantee that for your own child! yet your now unenthical if your not prepared to do so for any puppies you breed? as for dna, theres still too few things and the process is still being researched for so many I know many who have spend tens of thousand trying to test n breed hd free and failed. i see the same mess from the beef cattle worlds embracing of ebv technology and muscle scans. conformation has gone out the window. great ebv's. pity they are so weak in the back and legs the bulls cant serve past 3 to 5 years when their serving lifetime should be 15? at lest the beef studbooks havent fallen for restricting their members from how many calves they can breed (for the good of the cows/breed) or who they can put them too. although the contamination of unsoundness is not going to be bred back out in a generation when at a guess 90 percent have the new improved genetics in them. only a precious few resisted the flood and their studs are being rushed. if they were dog breeders though they would be refusing to sell any with papers scared of being labled "..... farmers" with the resulting stigma attached.

curious, maybe its my computer but to me his nose is blue, if so hes a very dark blue sable. ie gold undercoat with heavy blue ticking. i have a blue chihuahua just as dark as him. same eyecolour too.

I chipped a litter of labradors with the colour collar system, next morning only two of 16 pups still had their collars on. another lady had black poodles. she had it down pretty pat i thought for someone without a scanner. she clipped the furtherst left toenail on the left front paw for the first pup and nail polished that nail white. second toenail for the next pup, third toenail for the third pup n fouth for the fourth pup. then began on the right front paw for the fifth pup n so on. she had eight pups and they were all like peas in a pod. she checked the nail polish daily and said she had no problems doing it that way. me, SCANNER. far more easy and accurate in any circumstances. well unless the battery goes flat

same thing happend to a lady in penrith i know's cat. came home all claws missing. she now has a totally cat proof run built on the side of her house to keep them safe

If "we" refers to breeders, we already do. I know the major diseases my breeds are liable to acquire, and how (when known). I have personally to research into some of these, as opposed to the mandatory donation which my CC takes from puppy registrations. I also have a litte black book with noted hereditary problems in lines in my breeds, which I add to when necessary. I think all responsible breeders do the same thing. What bothers me is the spin off coming from this. Very similar to what happened prior to BSL and anti docking laws (as well as some other draconian laws overseas). It also bothers me that the report couldn't get the name of the breed right - or maybe they did mean King Charles Spaniels, which despite having a domed head, also suffer from SM I don't think most breeders will want to be told by "someone" that that cannot use this line, it is too close, or they cannot use that dog, or that the pups must be microchipped at birth, or the bitch checked by the vet every time pre mating, or checked post whelping (which is already law in Vic). Bet Hargreaves - absolutely no idea. it is interesting, the dog world, well pedigree anyway looks like ending up breeding by committee. wonder how long before they expect to do the same to the throughbred breeding industry? NOW that might get interesting. dont know if your aware of it but thers a stallion line noted for its descendants breaking legs, it was commented ruffian was bred to die, apparently she is of the line, they tend to have a short use by date. the wise get them to a few black type races then retire em to stud before they "break down" well if they are lucky. the idea of course being make the money standing the survivors at stud to produce the next fragile generation, they are fast and thats the bottom line or dairy and beef breeders, or sheep? anyone any idea the priority list n who has it?

not suprising, she would have to be one of the prettiest aussie shepherds ive ever seen n now your in no doubt shes a smart as she looks

Stuff of memories, aint it. searching for snuffy for 2 frantic hours. were was she after all? sound asleep inside the curled end of the towel in the bathroom thats where. (was hung over the rail lopsided so there was a nice curl when it reached the floor. perfect puppy palace apparently. ) snuff was 8 weeks at the time, chihuahua so she fitted the curled bit perfectly.

ultra bad news is it also is windbourne as well. remember my vet saying, when its a westerly from mt druit (one of the biggest populations of unvaccinated dogs in the metro area) he can have em piling in with 9 or more in a day.

She does indeed have a white tipped tail. I was supposed to type it in when I wrote about her tail but accidently skipped it, lol! Wow that sounds both amazing and bizarre! I haven't noticed her do anything resembling that yet (but that said she's not living with me yet and I haven't gotten to spend a lot of time with her yet as shes still at my aunts). HOPEFULLY, ill be going over there tonight and I'll try and take some more (better) photos sorry but ACD also have white tipped tails, some of even pure white to the butt even if its a no no. you should see my phil. hes an australian champion and was warned many judges will comment he has too much white in his tail n hes blue! so no chance of him being mistaken for a dingo

nup she looks a pretty typical cattle x kelpie, theres tons of em round mendooran way your also describing pretty typical abused kelpie behavour too. ive had neighbours with known dingo x's and she doesnt look like them.

my poor attempt at humour sandgrubber. its getting to the stage this is becoming a big brother country. i remember how supposedly horrified at how "oppressed" those in russia were, no freedom of speech etc. beginning to look like our government has decided its not such a bad idea after all\ that poor farmer that went on the hunger strike IS RIGHT. only he had to starve himself for how long before anyone even the press noticed and finally the headlines at least embarrassed rudd a bit. he is telling the truth, things are turning scary we are no longer a democratic society

Inbreeding depression is reduced viability (eg, low litter sizes or low survival rates offfspring) arising from inbreeding. Zookeepers worry about it a lot when they select mates for rare animals. Whether or not it occurs in pedigree dogs has been a subject of discussion on DOL. Note, the report also mentions the opposite effect. To quote: "When animal breeders wish to produce pure genetic lines, as they sometimes do, for example in laboratory animals, they will mate brother with sister generation after generation. Most lines die out due to the exposure of deleterious recessives that are normally hidden. However, any healthy lines that survive are likely to have lost many of the deleterious recessive genes they started with, a process known as genetic purging." hush your mouth, surely nothing good can come of shock horror, inbreeding

I don't get it....they are BEAGLES!! Whats wrong with the drive to scent - they are SCENThounds...am I missing something?? Why would anyone want to change a Beagle??? Apparently their drive to scent is what stops them being the "perfect family pet" ... but that is getting off topic ;) suppose guilty of streatching the off topic bit. met a guy at the vets today with a beagle x cavalier, beautiful dog i have to say. altough he looked like a straight beagle to me, he said he is a wonderful boy because although he has the look of the beagle he has none of the disobediance and scenting drive instead he has the cavaliers eager to please and train attitude. the perfect family dog. he said he was the pup featured on kerry ann's program when it was touting this cross as the perfect solution

from my questions anyway over 80 percent of the dogs you describe when you ask the owner is it a registered purebred the answer will be no. most of the unregistered ones bred the majority of the people who breed them seem to select for savage and think its a plus. they cant seem to get their head around a good cattle dog is NOT SAVAGE, its suposed to be suspicious. theres a big difference. its only supposed to go into protection mode if you are threatened. my family had cattledogs before i was born, many were security dogs, dad also had german shepherds he used to advertise for savage dogs and i mean they would arrive cross chained on the back of a truck wanting to eat anyone within reach. no alarms n such in the 40's he discovered the cattles would settle pretty quickly and in the end have the run of the place once they knew who "family" was. the most amazing thing was it didnt take long for them to adjust and anyone could come and go long as they never picked up anything. dad and his brothers would load whatever someone bought and all would be fine. if they tried to load something into their vehicle the dogs would have em, n that even applied to the vet when he came to vaccinate them. dad offered to carry his bag. n he declined, n dad explained if he didnt carry it to the vets car the dogs wouldnt let him get to the car. he snatched the bag off dad n said no dog has ever bitten me. about then blue took out the seat of his pants. he even had the hide to sue dad for a new suit? by comparison the german shepherds were always chained by day and only released by night and locked up where they couldnt eat the cusomers when they began arriving. some even dad couldnt touch after having them for years. i remember one in particular the only way he could get into the shed was drop a log on the run wire so the dog couldnt eat him while he was unlocking the door. it got a bit risky at times when he lunged enough to dislodge the log huge difference to today, probably be sued for cruelty now for that dog. dont remember him ever being off the chain, when the vet came they would hook the collar and with it and the chain he would be put into a sort of crush for any needles or check. but then i suppose today he wouldnt have been kept alive either. goodness knows where dad bought him from he was an adult when he arrived

ok dont know much about shar pei but met a lady with about 5 of them and ok the puppies looked like they were 10 times too small for their skin but the adults had no face wrinkes and not much body wrinkles either, they were regd purebreds n boy were they guard dogs. wouldnt have entered her house if u paid me. they wanted me for lunch. n yep they looked like they could n would take a pitty on when i commented about it she said they grow into their skin but its a very loose skin so they can literally move around inside it that they were bred originally for fighting. can a pitty turn round inside its own skin?

maybe he needs to be asked for proof that his x breds are equally free of genetic faults, we all know he cant. be interesting to see how he tries to wriggle out of that one a bit of footage of that poor little x bred with robert zammit with all his health issues needs to be aired more often and a lot more as well this stuff needs to be got out there and hey i know where, tvs is always asking for contributions from public groups. ill ask round here for anyone with a doggy x bred disaster we can film and everyone else ditto we could have a loverly doco for tvs consumption