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surely she had more chance of an easy delivery bred to a toy than her own size? I have seen many litters with big differences in size of the puppies in many breeds, not just poodles. some mini's stay so small they are too small for the miniature ring. some toys too large for the toy ring. As for chihuahua's, unreal. a friends girl I was looking after was certainly on the large size, as in 6lb - 2.7 kg. she was beginning to look like a rock melon and expressed my concern about how big she was getting. when she did go into labor no pups were coming to raced to the vet he said she was so full of pups she just couldn't push and she had 10. believe it or not. from that litter some grew to 2.7 kg like their mum, others only to 1.2 kg, that's a huge difference in sizes. many litters do that in the small breeds more so than the larger breeds of dog I think?

interesting, many decades and I do mean many, 1960 I think? friend bred toy poodles, and I think she told me she reregistered the over height ones in the litter as miniatures? which since they are the same breed made more sense than restricting the gene pool as it is now, especially with all the concentration about maintaining genetic diversity within the breeds?

exactly, they completely forgot their very basis for existance. To ENCOURAGE AND MAINTAIN. Instead they turned on each other to eliminate and discourage the majority in their zeal to be seen to be eliminating back yard breeders which all of them are? I keep remembering my friends words only recently. we are both long. long long time members from the days when newbies were welcomed instead of viewed with suspicion. no i better not repeat what she said come to think of it. last time I did I received a letter from the ankc it had been brought to their notice had had committed an offense. sigh not safe to speak too much of the truth anymore

Yes, they fell into line with the AR nutters early on just would not understand that everyone has a backyard so began eliminating each other from the get go

Looks like some in america are waking up too? People have finally began to realise we only have 5 years before its too late. PETA ARE CELEBRATING with good reason Companion and Pets Party is hoping its not to late to save our pets from the extinction campaign is calling for applications to join. This is their facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1880909738963642 this is the site to apply to join . membership at the moment is free. https://companionsandpetsparty.com.au/?fbclid=IwAR0P1mXvlucuh21wXXLIp_j4L3lMWd0h4kySKzCy69E6rcUvgGIttcWzztU

the problems are the ones who never train their fur child as they dont want to restrict its options or 'traumatise" it by setting boundaries well remember a neighbour who never said NO to his dog. I could see it was running all the decisions but it all came to a head the day the dog decided he was not dropping his food fast enough and bit him clean through the arm. for some strange reason he got rid of the dog after the second "attack?" He failed to understand his dog had warned him, drop it now or else at the second growl! I learnt fast when he began jumping on me and tearing my clothes, if I told him to stop, he would then discipline me by biting and really ripping my clothes instead of tearing them with his nails. I made sure he could not get into my place anymore. he had also taken to biting my horse on the nose, but my horse soon taught him to back off after almost caving in his head with a hoof. fixing the fence solved my and my horses risk.

very dissappointing

good point, wonder if peta will join up and take over like they did the rspca? well remember in 2000 reading a letter received by an rspca member begging her to join up all her friends and family for the pending agm as the writer was aware that sufficen peta members were already on the board and the comming agm was being stacked by peta members to elect the remaining numbers to take control of the board. that was now 22 years ago. peta have been working on their agenda from the 1980's while pet owners have been asleep at the wheel

ooo wow they have decided on a name and now are taking membership applications, wonder if they can muster enough candidates for the comming election in time? considering how many have pets AND if all voted be looking at forming a government. ok dream on BUT! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1880909738963642 ah. bummer. two months wait to be recognised. thats too late this this election isnt it? "We need everyone to visit the website www.companionsandpetsparty.com.au and join the party. It is free to join. We need every member of the facebook group to join up. Without your support by joining the party, we cannot become registered. It takes about two months from the time we submit our application to become registered. So please fill out the application form as soon as you can. Thank you."

This chap totally nailed it Alfonso Hurtado Guzman 92tS5u0po53 Aspfril at 00ce:43h3 ·

Another equally misleading article actually. this writer advocates COI testing and only using unrelated parents where at all possible will reduce, perhaps eliminate the risk of creating homozygous puppies of the as yet unavailable dna testing for the thousands of recessive genes still to be found markers for. the writer is assuming unrelated parents will not be carrying deleterious recessives. the writer is assuming only related parents will be carrying deleterious recessives so is buying into the mantra that "inbreeding" is the cause of any emergence of such results in a litter. when will it become recognised that two patterns of a gene in a pup is not automatically caused by "inbreeding" related parents? anyway read and have a good think about the message because it does bring up how many conditions there still is no tests for yet. https://www.instituteofcaninebiology.org/blog/why-dna-tests-wont-make-dogs-healthier?fbclid=IwAR0HFMIh6D9cc8Ld54EVLcs8YBmCqUAfVPTxxZy0eaHb6n-0duib0t8IiMo .

love cav's they are the eternal optimist. once you have had one its definitely addictive, but remember they aren't great on recall and utterly no traffic sense so never go out without being on a lead. you can be lucky and have no problems, my first made it to 17 as did many of his sons and daughters. but every time you use an outside male its a gamble that at times does not pay off. my last two I bred both developed MV at 7. one is still fine 4 years later on medication. the other died within weeks After two pups developed SM I called it quits. I so hope it can be eliminated from such adorable dogs. if you get one, keep an eye on their teeth too. great tarter collectors so need regular checks

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thanks, so good news for the cavalier component in the pup and 9% joint issues in early done poodles. be interesting to know which breed contributed the merle gene to her pup. As for the $7,000 price tag. shows x breeds are fetching way more than most purebreds poodle puppies are listed here at "Boys $3,500.00 and girls $3,900.00" and cavalier at "The cost of the puppies is $4000" " $4500 - limited register (pet only)" very few actually give a price. But others I have met paid $5,000 for their pet, so it seems obvious puppy farmed x breds are commanding better prices. Met a lady at our local vet and she had paid $7,000 and 8,000 for her two cavoodles and they were the usual colours expected of the x

my niece paid $7,000 for a so called Blue Merle Cavoodle. as any ankc breeders knows, there is no merle gene in either the poodle or cavalier breeds. last I looked the only place oodels come from is puppy farms? it was only 8 weeks old and already been desexed male so will not grow normally as it should as it will never experience puberty google explains how high the vet problems that occur with puppies done too young.

when I was a kid in the 50's hardly anyone vaccinated their dogs, I know my dads were the only ones in our street. I am amazed how many unfortunate puppies are neither vaccinated or microchipped now even though it is supposed to be law that you cannot sell or rehome an unvaccinated or not chipped dog or puppy. this has been law for some 30 years now? yet is not enforced. yet there are more and more laws being passed to eliminate anyone breeding a litter. if they have their way its not the puppy farms being shut down, its is everyone that is not a licensed puppy farm.

WE ARE SO LUCKY distemper is almost unkown devastating way to lose your dog or puppy

spot on, along with on in particular doesnt even bother to work with what is legislated, way prefer to "form the opinion" and act on that, knowing no matter how the targets protest the pollies will back them. regardless of what is actually legislated, those who have been given the powers to "form the opinion" and strike where they like, just use whatever contributes most to the income stream. considering their portfolio is now over a billion in assets and investments been pretty successful, all the figures are available in the agm reports but the pollies never question the sacred cow let alone put anything in place to hold them accountable or an avenue of appeal for the targets robbed of all rights trouble is joe public think only the guilty attract the punishment no one else can be subjected to trial by media? even pedophiles have more rights than a pet owner

THE CHANGE.ORG PETITION NEEDS MILLIONS SIGNING. HOPE ITS BEING SPREAD FAR AND WIDE. INTERESTINGLY i TRIED TO POST A COPY ON A FB ANKC GROUP AND LINKS NOT ALLOWED? Tuesday, 1 March 2022 Reminder: Submissions due on the Companion Animals Amendment Puppy Farming Bill This is an urgent reminder to all Members to complete their own submissions on the Companion Animals Amendment Puppy Farming Bill as soon as possible. We ALL need to read the AJP Bill as it affects us ALL! Click here for the link to read the Bill. We ALL need to make submissions! Please click here to make your submission. It is important to write to your Parliamentary members to state that you are against this Bill because of the reasons that are listed below: 1) That this Bill potentially means that rarely will you be able to purchase a family companion, rather you will have to re-home from an animal shelter, if there are any dogs up for re-homing. 2) There is no definition of what a "Puppy Farm" is. In your own words describe the difference between yourself, as a responsible breeder, and what you would call a "puppy farmewr 3) If you are a DOGS NSW registered breeder, who breeds in your own home, you are non-compliant. Please click here to sign DOGS NSW Petition now on Change.org. It will be headed 'Pets In Our Life' opposing The Companion Animals Amendment Puppy Farming Bill. ____________________________________________________________________________

They are still deciding on a name apparently as was planned to be Companion Animal Party, but apprently animal justice party owns the word animal so they cant use it. interesting times. Was sent a copy of this. apparently it can be shared but only as a copy and paste which is how I came by this. think the closing date to fight the new bill has already passed as have so many opportunities to save our pets. Interesting times ahead. if the bill goes though peta believe it can be amended in future without going to the vote and their vision of extinction is soon to be realised. Hi Everyone, CAP is making a submission regarding the NSW Companion Animals Amendment Bill proposed by Emma Hurst of the Animal Justice Party. Our submission is listed below. YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS EFFORT BY DOING THE FOLLOWING:- Copy the submission Email this to the following 4 email addresses [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] These addresses belong to the Minister for Agriculture, Premier, Opposition Leader and Shadow Minister for Agriculture. ______________________________________________________ This submission is made for and on behalf of the Companion And Pets Party in response to the proposed bill Companion Animals Amendment (Puppy Farms) Bill 2021 as introduced by the Hon. Emma Hurst, MLC. OUR FREEDOM - OUR RIGHT Executive Summary The community has a fundamental right to the ownership of animals, and the freedoms that our nation provides allows the quiet enjoyment of these animals. No government in Australia has EVER been granted a mandate by the electorate to revoke that freedom or that right. That right and that freedom are fundamental rights that citizens of Australia believe are naturally theirs. This Bill seeks to greatly diminish the rights of people to own animals, and the rights people have to quiet enjoyment of their animals. THE COMPANIONS AND PETS PARTY (CAP) WILL VIGOROUSLY DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE OF NSW AND AUSTRALIA TO OWN ANIMALS, AND ENJOY WHATEVER LEGAL PURSUITS THEY UNDERTAKE WITH THEIR ANIMALS. CAP calls on the NSW Government to immediately abandon this bill. HISTORY OF FREEDOM AND RIGHTS Whilst Australia does not have a Bill of Rights, the USA does, and an analogy can be drawn from this bill as to the fundamental rights that Australian citizens would believe naturally belong to them. The American Civil Liberties Union makes a detailed commentary on the history of the Bill of Rights as it relates to the U.S.A. It outlines the following:- The nation's founders believed that containing the government's power and protecting liberty was their most important task, and declared a new purpose for government: the protection of individual rights. It goes on to detail the separate meaning of Democracy and Liberty (Freedom). Democracy means that people ought to be able to vote for public officials in fair elections, and make most political decisions by majority rule. Liberty, on the other hand, means that even in a democracy, individuals have rights that no majority should be able to take away. These rights are defined as “"unalienable rights" and are also called "natural" rights, and one writer stated they were "the great rights of mankind." One of these rights is listed as :- Privacy The right to be free of unwarranted and unwanted government intrusion into one's personal and private affairs, papers, and possessions. The community has a fundamental right to own animals, and as such they become possessions. This is the very issue at stake here in this Bill. With the privilege of owning an animal also comes the serious responsibility for the welfare and care of the animal. A responsibility this party will help ensure every owner complies with. THE PROMOTORS OF THE BILL The bill is introduced by the Hon. Emma Hurst of the Animal Justice Party. This party is inextricably linked with Animals Australia, providing links to Animal Australia’s site from its own website. PETA is linked to both these organisations through its policies and philosophies which are so aligned in many ways. These organisations have a goal of ending animal ownership of all types. Evidence of this is drawn from documents produced by these organisations, and those who run them. The Animal Justice Party, amongst other things have stated “to phase out the sale of companion animals, including birds, reptiles and fish….” and “…to phase out the breeding of companion animals…” Another comment by an AJP candidate “…how about we stop breeding of all sorts there’s no such thing as a good breeder……” Comments from Peta include “…pet ownership is an abysmal situation..” and, “...In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether”. and, “...the cat, like the dog, must disappear…” There are volumes of reports about Peta in the USA, and in the other countries where Peta is represented (which includes Australia,) regarding behaviour, comments and actions, that any decent person would find reprehensible. These statement and beliefs strike at the very freedom and rights of Australians to be able to enjoy their companions and pets free of interference from those seeking to impose their will on others. There are numerous other reports surrounding this organisation that can be made available, or can be sourced via a simple search of internet. THE BILL This bill contains so many areas that seek to remove our freedoms and rights. This party does not intend to outline every weakness in this Bill, nor does it intend to try to amend this bill in any way. This Bill has no place in our society, and The Companions And Pets Party (CAP) opposes its introduction. CAP calls on the State Government to withdraw this Bill which denies Australians their right to the ownership of companion animals and pets. _____________________________________________________

no names but one I know well everything was LR and desexed, they paid for an outstanding import and all that progeny sold was LR and desexed. plenty of new genetics although if you wanted to access it, would have to have the desexed pups cloned to produce backyard pups

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explains my neighbours golden. she phoned me and asked for my help, she said he had brought home the head of a goat, and she was so sickened by the sight she could not touch it. asked me to come and put it in the bin. I had known that dog since he was a pup, I had no idea he was food proud, he would have been 10 months old at this time. so I went to her place, picked it up and threw it in the bin, except although he was wagging his tail he went for me and he wasnt kidding. the snarl was spine chilling and I spotted the tap and hose with seconds to spare turned it full on and into his gaping mouth choking him with the water going down is throat deflected his teeth from my arm. the bitch admitted she deliberately did not tell me he would attack if I touched it because she knew I would not have done it and she did not care if I was bitten, long as it was in the bin. She expected I would be bitten, was happy to pay the doctors bill as her hubby is a doctor. She was amazed I managed to deflect him. thanks for nothing very ex friend neighbour. I kid you not. for obvious reasons i wrote her off the "friend" list and never "helped" her again.

That was the reason I was given for the opening of the "development register" I know many who submitted dogs. I looked after one of the last Rokeglen girl's for the remainder of her life. So many decades ago. I met the only kennel left with MR stumpy tailed cattle dogs at sydney royal her dogs were beside mine. They were the only exhibits

there is an ironic twist here surely? only the dogs bred by the backyarders and these genetic's preserved by the very backyarders so despised by the ankc members? Are the ones to end up in the "development register" but not those of the dead end ankc kennels. (they were either already desexed prior to sale, or with desexing contracts.) Yet, once these "development register" dogs belong to ankc members they too will be probably only sold on LR only, so back into dead end kennels, anyway