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or could we actually hope for a miracle and the likes of puggy wuggy actually come to the defence of .......................................... that members actually stop backbiting each other and 'UNITE' dont think it might be a good idea for my health to hold my breath waiting for that

how funny, looks like so many of you if the above three posts are any indication are beginning to twig, yep folks your all backyarders, every single one of you have a backyard. these guys dont care a fig how ethical and caring YOU! ..................... THINK YOU ARE. you are breeding dogs, YOU ARE A SICK PUPPY. you are on the hit list. its a bit like when dunlop took over alcorso, every one in alcorso went to work every day wondering whos going to be fired today. sort of kills the workplace ambiance. now its the dogie worlds turn, enjoy

when did the mentality of "if you dont show your unethical" start up? i know its getting pretty accepted now. met a lad who thought showing is mandatory if you want to become a member of dogs nsw. so he had certainly got the message.

why does this stuff leave me with the feeling those who worked with hitler thought they could minimise the slaughter perhaps? intstead of cleaning up the leadership? why is no politicion with the guts to even acknowledge there is something wrong with a organisation answerable to no one not even the stupid polies doing their bidding.....i know i wonder what is it that the pollies think they are getting in return. only until they destroy someone with friends with political clout will there be any possiblity of that i was listening to a number of people last week, musing that camden sales had the shortest sale they had ever attened, only 80 odd horses turned up for auction that week and "wondered if the heavy rspca presence since the brumby shipment ,since had frightened off sellers bringing in any, just in case the jackboots in jungle greens would go for em", their words not mine, i dont go there.

no less messed than the lady facing what is it? 41 seperate charges for showing her by nsw rules legally, by vic not, debarked dogs. just because some idiot included debarking under tail docking in forming new laws, didnt mean it HAS TO BE ENFORCED regardless. how many times has people been let off with a warning by police and judges? what about the girl on the news last night. 8 times over the limit, did 180 in p plates and gets off with a warning. poorr diddle spca they have to rain hail or sleet prosecute, prosecute, prosecute. they made me do it eh? but how many truely believe the rspca had to prosecute because this idiot law was passed so they must persecute her. no thats not a spelling mistake.

YOU dont realise, your not safe. i remember stringy, i remember there was no breach, yet richard amery had the hide to write and tell me i had nothing to fear from the rspca as long as i adhered to the code of ethic, even kindly included a copy for me. thoughful man. except there was not one single test they did on my dog listed in the code of ethics, there was NOT ONE. he was taken though, i was billed for every procedure they did on him. to get him back after they had run out of idea's and tests, i was allowed to come and collect what was left of him, yes alive, foaming at the mouth, terrified from all the pain inflicted, but his troubles didnt end there. they got the costs of their fruitless tests back, gee they werent even going to let me see him, it was pay up n then we will let you see him. when i stupidly asked whats wrong with him im offered the opportunity to let mark lowrey to do more tests??????????? betty stepkovitch and i got out of there fast as we could. so aside from the roughly 500 dollars to get him back it took another 600 at his own vets to get him over the pnemonia from , suprise a trachel tear my vet said he expects was caused by insertion of too big a trachael tube. nice one. soo dont tell me adhering to the code of practice would have protected string. it didnt, amery didnt, my vet phoned every day asking to see their vet, the inspectors refused to let him speak to him. n who is one of those inspectors hes now, the ceo these days. who walked into the centre of mcgraths hill saleyard and told all present "no one but the doggers are allowed to bid on these horses" an inspecter then, ceo now! wonder how safe the cute n cuddly he had cradled in his arms published in DOGS NSW news might feel if it knew the fate the man holding him sent marions horses too? I know three people who had phoned every day asking to buy them but were turned away. sending 10 young horses to their deaths doesnt come under any heading of "caring" for any creature great or small to me? let alone a recommendation for advancement ?

i know i should be walking away from even thinking about this but this bit "b Explore existing Australian legislation with a view to procedures that defendants to be required to pay court bonds prior to any litigation appeals or appeals in relation to the forfeiture of animals. The bond amount should be based on the financial cost of caring for the dogs on a daily basis, acknowledging that during this period such this care is being provided by RSPCA or other rescue group and not by the defendant. Where a court bond is not paid, the owner would be required to surrender the animals for rehoming." so makes me remember marion alcorn, they took her horses, had her sign them over in exchange for not being made to pay the $70 per week per horse for ten weeks, ten horses . $7,000. then "rehomed" them to the doggers so pardon me for not feeling any warm n fuzzies. now they can slam anyone else in future for the 7,000 upfront or take em eh? am i missing something or is there still ABSOLUTELY nothing going to be implemented where an appeal can be lodged , i see plenty of give us more power. i see nothing of inspectors/special constables, like every other member of the police force or anyother will be accountable????????? or constables being actually expected to have any more animal care knowledge than the present state of"ex police with prosecution experience willing to undergo an animal care course" n as i already know they dont even have to listen or pass, just turn up at class............................... yes i have a fixation, surely there is something so so wrong when rspca constables, let alone the entire organisation are exempt from the same checks and balances as the police force that previously they were before their new totally protected status when they change profession? you cannot become a scout leader or work with the organisation before exhausive checks and balances to protect the children from possible pedefiles yet there is nothing to protect jo or jean public from any psyco from leaving the police where it could have been a case of jump before your pushed and why wouldnt the rscpa be the perfect snuggly haven for the maggots to congregate? theres no disinfectant gets into there does it? no ombudsman no where to lodge an appeal......NOTHING!

i know a vet used to work for rspca victoria and he told me that the number of incontinet puppies reported by concerned owners, from early desexing made him feel this was not in the best interests of the puppies or their owners. although he did a great many in his previous employment, he flatly refuses to do so since being in private practice.

yep they like them, mine used to jump up and swing off the bunch to get theirs, chi's might be vertically challenged but they still like their grape fix if they can get to em

n how valid is it if there isnt a parrallel study on genetic disease incidence in designer dogs... n mongrels as well??????

what an amazing cat? am i right its hardly any hair on it???

before the idea to call them designer dogs you could get your mutt for free or 50 at most. its a good idea to go to shows and see the breeds you are thinking of first. then ask your own vet, which breeds he sees with the least percentage of problems. n if hes a nice one he may even tell you which breeders he knows whose parents and pups he thinks have the least number of problems showing up? although its also a good idea to ask the breeders of any puppy you are looking at who is the most respected vets, if you dont have one you know well and trust, some unfortunately can be like don jerk n word does get around. among breeders who they have found they like best. i know there are breeders who are offering lifetime guarantees, snap them up while they are still around. because you couldnt get a better deal. fraid im a bit of a cynic these days. how a dog can be compared to a fridge is beyond me. its not "goods" in my eyes its your pet? its a living breathing original no two the same unless it has an identical twin or been cloned? anyway. i find it fascinating when we havent a clue how our own child will turn out, looks let alone healthwise, today a dog breederis being said, i mean expected to be able too? even in this incredibly technological age when a racehorse can be worth and win millions, they are still putting the best to the best and hoping for the best. unlike the dog world yet, if you fork out the million and it doesnt win, they cant take it back and expect a full refund.... YET anyway. forget where the thread is but the show puppy with the perfect teeth whose adult teeth didnt come through same as his baby teeth so stopped being a winner so was returned for a refund. so why cant the buyer of a top priced yearling get their refund yet? same scenario surely? maybe thats the way of the future. find one or two of each breed with no defects and dont waste time breeding from it. u dont know what may be recessive n isnt showing but its tops for health, longlivity and soundness... just get heaps of tissue stored and clone em ad infinitum. its already being done. theres a wagyu bull in japan his 3rd or is it his 4th generation clone is now standing at stud? its on google somewhere. havnt found him yet but heres one bull they have 3 sons of now. n what they cloned them from defies belief? http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%...ne-0004142-g003 click on where it says (fig 3) in the txt andyou can see the calves photos.

So are you saying that if you cross a lab with a GR (both breeds known to be prone to ED and HD) then you are LESS LIKELY to get a dog affected by HD or ED than purebreds of both breeds? I would say crossbreds (not mutts) have just as many health problems as purebreds in my experience except the trouble is the person who breeds the x bred isnt attacked as unethical if the pup develops the same problems as the purebred. the breeder of a purebred even one whose parents n grandparents havent shown any sign of the problem are immediately said by any vet who finds the problem in a pup they bred, the owner is invariably told the breeder was obviously unethical or the puppy would not have been born with the problem when in real fact, nature is unethical in passing these things on. recessives can survive in a population for generations over even hundreds of years, if you doubt that, think for instance of fresien and angus cattle for starters. for over 1 to 200 years any red calves got the chop....... yet they still turn up. border collie pups that werent black or black and white have had the chop for how many hundred years???? yet what do we have now they arent being killed at birth now? blue, chocolate and gold. all three recessives have still survived all those generations until the odd oddbod was finally allowed to live and grow. n now even become an aussie champion. there are tens of thousands of equally recessive genes that we will never be happy to find in our dog,. patella and so on. yet same as the colours now accepted, the red angus now even has its own registry. we wont be seeing a patella registry though will we? yet its the same thing that pops up but the owner of the parents is to blame???????? get real. the battle is to try and eliminate the hidden. long as the breeder is accused of being dishonest ect when this happens more and more will give up and why shouldnt they. does anyone honestly believe the red angus, red fresien n gold, chocolate n blue borders are only born to parents owned by unethical people??????

vet said he heard don burke blame rspca for influxof designer dogs? he couldnt remember which channel, id love to be able to find a link and see for myself, anyone know of where n when n where a link to it is?

theres another called Cracker, where my stolen puppies were sold, by i later learned a professional house breaker. it was an eye opener to be sitting in the waiting area of the campbelltown court house and spot the familiar faces seen cruising the streets of our suburb only days and weeks previously i can tell u? even more chilling a pair hubby had spotted checking out a neighbours a few weeks earlier n had called the police, but they scarpered soon as they saw they were being watched, turned up at the waiting area and began talking to the pair who where waiting to see the magistrate over the theft of our pups. soo they may live in campbelltown but they do their "shopping" in penrith eh? maybe its a rule u dont "work" too close to home perhaps? n the idiots want breeders addresses made public again! these guys aint fictional, theres a whole different world and ethos existing on another parrallel world

the schools system for a while went along the lines of "have a go" and chucked out teaching spelling. soo a whole generation of kids spell "like it sounds" its not their fault but it can leave you with the screaming jim jams when it comes to trying to teach em how you REALLY spell words.

he was a locum while my normal vet was sick. not much consolation but he was fired after i reported the conversation to his boss. n although he had to be smart to have passed his BvSc exams, he wasnt bright enough to twig that repeating that back to the boss might not find favor with him either.

in the case of the puppies i was told to change breeds. in the case of the kittens, what was the use. it was five years after the event i discovered they knew the batch was faulty. n how can i say i knew? dob my friend in? catch 22 if they were honest i should have been told by the vet who vaccinated them surely and offered compensation??? and im hightly curious what the vets are so worried about? they arnt worried when the pups die from the vaccination? hey i even had the vet who killed the entire litter that it was a good thing, eliminated any dogs from the gene pool that couldnt tolerate the vaccine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i kid u not that was his words. when i asked them then do you believe ivermectin should be administered to all collie dogs and susceptable breeds including murry gray cattle to eliminate all that cant tolerate ivermectin . his reply was yes. well suppost at lest it would save breeders from having to have the testing done to see if they cant? theyd be dead already

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A friend sent me an email with this link. interesting to say the least, looks like america's version of our rspca isnt too popular either? funny how the reasons seem a bit familiar? http://humanewatch.org/index.php/site/cate...of_one_percent/

n on that note, whenever do the vaccine companies take any responsibilty for puppies that die after vaccination? lost an entire litter before i even arrived home once when they first released the new improved parvo vaccine in the 90's one thing for sure they would never get parvo or anything else, they certainly were protected for "life" all right. other litters id find some had died overnight, in one case 4 of 6 puppies dead. stuff of nightmares ho, and are they aware of this? i phoned them to lodge a complaint, and what do i get told? "change breeds, its only chi's that are dying" so i asked on this very forum who had lost puppies after vaccination and the list of breeds was awesome, so it wasnt just chi's that were having problems as he said.

pardon me but when do the vaccine manufactures give ANY SUPPORT????? i had a litter of lilac himalayan kittens 8 of them, the morning after their vaccination all but two were dead, and they were in a coma. the vet managed to save one. when i went to pick her up and pay the bill he said it would amount to thousands and he had become attached to so so much he would prefer to keep her in lieu of the cost. so, lost the lot, paid out hundres in having them vaccinated, do i even get any compensation for their deaths, zilch, return of vaccinations cost? zilch. hey, no way it could have been the vaccine, i must have not noticed they were unwell and thats why they died. so what do i discover 5 years later when a friend gets a job at the said vaccine company? in the records, some 600 cats n kittens died that particular year when a contaminated batch went out before they twigged and recalled the rest of the batch. soooo u tell me where they take any responsibility? those kittens were worth over $1,000 each and already had deposits paid on the ones to be sold, all of which had to be returned. that vet never once contacted me to tell me the vaccine had been recalled and i was entitled to any form of compensation? i like the grieving owners of those other 592 cats and kittens would never have known why they died if but for pure chance.

what i find amazing is this is only NOW being put out that yearly vaccinations are unnecessary? my vet told me that in 1998? I kid you not. n yep some of em are amazing, friend was told a puppy she bred needed $3,000 surgery for elbow displacia. rang me in horror as the vet told the puppys owner to bill her and had phoned her to tell her he was sending her the bill when it was done. told her to demand the right to take it first to her vet for second opinion, to discover both elbows were fractured? they had let it jump from a verandah and at 9 months old it weighed more than its 5 year old mum it was so obese. another friend whose vet vaccinated her cats yearly discovered the eldest developed pnemonia after his last 3 boosters, costing thousands to save him each time, and finally year 4 decided, maybe just maybe, it was the boosters nearly killing him. stopped the boosters and he lived another 5 years, without anymore health issues, made it to 21.

I wandered in recently and asked to downgrade one of mine from main to limit. was not too impressed at how much they want to down grade? considering how much u pay for a MR wasnt expecting such a hefty charge to change it. interestinly if u have a stallion regisered, the downgrade to gelding is FREE? muggins thought it would be the same with dogs, learn something new every day dont u,

they have similar for horses and my stallions testes dissappeared completely