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they are put in the position of either plead guilty or we will bankrupt you, trouble is they then do so anyway, i saw what they did to marion alcorn. once your pleaded guilty its all downhill anyway. check out the megalong story, now where is that link, plead guilty or...... so plead guilty n end up with paying think it was $50,000? http://www.megalong.cc/RSPCA/The%20RSPCA%20EXperience1.htm http://www.megalong.cc/RSPCA/ http://www.youtube.com/user/BlueMountains4Horses http://www.megalong.cc/RSPCA/The%20RSPCA%2...e-Jellybean.htm found this one one ruth downey. the inspector sent the truck laden with feed back to the produce then proceed to shoot her cattle leaving her the calves to raise? http://www.sosnews.org/pdf/The-Ruth-Downey-Inquisition.pdf

how nice. no wonder us mere mortals have no defence against em. have to admit been hoping for quite a while they would do a stuff up against a really high up pollie. pity the poor koala had to die, but murdering skippys best friend may have woken someone up how long before they go back to sleep n forget all about it again is the worry

it can happen so easily too. i spotted a turtle bent on crossing a major highway. slammed on the brakes and got to the roadside fast as i could. it was a quiet time of day so not a vehicl other than me in sight. jumpd out dashed to the turtle n just as i picked him up a truck seemed to come out of nowwhere. dont know who was more terrified, the turtle, me or the truckie. although it was the turtle who weee'd all over me. lucky the truckie had not only good brakes but he had no one in the other lane so veered over there as i ran for it. soooo even if there doesnt seem another vehicle in sight, in the seconds i fixed my gaze on that turtle obviously the truck was comming round the corner, soo dont stop looking left n right every second or u too can end up roadkill

I gather that press release seems a bit too off dog topic to make sense to any of you? the dna of that brahman bull which is bos indicus, has 40 million differences to the europen cattle bos taurus. how has that any reference to dogs. be interesting when they do dna sequence diferent breeds , particularly those from china for instance as apposed to those from europe. every one of those dna sequences can carry a faulty gene. yet here we are with only literally a handfull of tests for dna faults and people are expecting pedigree breeders to be able to produce faultless dogs and those who fail are being branded unethical. nature has no perception of ethical only people use the word. nature abors sameness nature also changes genes, hence the appearance of sports . those that give the inheriter an advantage over the rest of its species thrive, those it handicaps die out. when these animals are the property of a breeder they surely didnt create these genes , they are tying to select for stock that are healthy but many cannot be seen in the recessive state. Its sad the growing culture that if a breeder finds they have fault turn up, the onlookers tend to lable the breeder as unethical? am i still confusing you? if so apoligise for wasting your time.

The unique DNA of a popular Australian Brahman bull will soon be added to the international cow genome databank. Beef CRC CEO Dr Heather Burrow said the Beef CRC, in partnership with CSIRO Livestock Industries and the Victorian Department of Primary Industries, had now completed sequencing of the Brahman genome, along with the genomes of an Africander and Tuli bull. It is the first time Australian cattle adapted for tropical conditions have been sequenced, and the information will be included in new generation DNA markers that producers can use to identify important production traits in animals. “It’s critical Australian producers can use DNA markers that incorporate the genetic variation that occurs in tropically adapted cattle – over half of Australia’s beef production is based in the tropics,” Dr Burrow said. “To date, most of the data used to make DNA markers have been based on breeds which are suited to a temperate climate.” But the Beef CRC project identified over four million DNA variants unique to the Australian Brahman genome, demonstrating the variation that can occur across breeds. CSIRO Livestock Industries’ senior principal research scientist Dr Bill Barendse, a pioneer in the identification of new gene markers for economically important traits of cattle, said the project would help geneticists determine what “makes a Brahman a Brahman”. “The Brahman bull we sequenced was chosen because he has been widely used in Australia and it will ensure that Northern Australian cattle variation is captured in future selection tools,” Dr Barendse said. Brahman and Brahman-cross cattle comprise over half of Australian beef cattle population. Brahmans were introduced to Australia in the early 1930s and proved well suited to the harsh climate and pests of the northern Australian rangelands. Over the past 40 years, Brahmans are estimated to have contributed over $10 billion to the Australian beef industry. But Brahman and other tropically adapted cattle are not as significant for the beef production systems of other developed countries. Dr Burrow said the sequencing of the Australian Brahman bull’s genome, along with sequencing of the Tuli and Africander breeds, was particularly important for Australian production. The inclusion of information about the DNA of these animals will ensure producers can be confident of using the new-style DNA marker ‘super chips’ that are being developed, to work in Australian systems Ok not canine.. BUT read it first then do a bit of thinking. if theres QUOTE "But the Beef CRC project identified over four million DNA variants unique to the Australian Brahman genome, demonstrating the variation that can occur across breeds." makes you perhaps might just might do a slight rethink that a few dozen dna tests for various genetic problems havent even scratched the first millionth ??? of whats out there in our dogs? yet breeders especially registered breeeds are unethical if they dont produce the perfect healthy, no genetic faults pup? get real before there are no purebred dogs

I don't think PETA controls the RSPCA, they are actually competitors for the public's dollar, their beliefs are the same though. Ingrid is honest enough to spell out her agenda. My experience is the RSPCA tells people what they believe they want to hear, contradicting themselves if it means more money flowing in and doing what they do best, killing dogs. Don't be fooled by the TV stars. Apart from that I believe you are spot on with your assessment. I met a member of the RSPCA, she had a letter begging her to sign up as many friends and family as possible for the next election. the reason stated in the letter she had received was that Peta was infiltrating the rspca and if enough rank and file members didnt vote the board was in danger of being taken over by peta representatives. that was about 5 or 6 years ago. somehow i doubt there would be much change, hey if peta can take it over they have millions at their fingertips why wouldnt they? pretty stupid if the opportunity awaits.

this does not make sense, elsewhere i read that the rspca has inhouse legal team??? i forget the wording but to the effect that as some were solicitors and board members some thought there was a "conflict of interest" or something like that? or is that just in one state and not others?

ummph just learned my brothers daughter has bought a new pup, 7 weeks maltese x chihuahua. n funny thing, is sick and want my help dont get it ? if they wanted a new dog i gave them the best dog they had, well until old age caught up with him? had only told em at christmas did they want another, so if the brother of a registered breeder who can have one for free gets a pet shop job what hope do we have for encouraging the rest of the community who want a nice puppy to go to the breeder ? buckley's, perhaps?

no one seems to have noticed the words that the dogs being shot had no escape. if they had no escape then they could not, by the same definition have been "out" to have attacked the neighbours dog either? which somewhat begs the question maybe they didnt kill the dog they were supposed to have attacked as for the pups how on earth could that dreadful man justify killing the obviously totaly innocent in any circumstances? to have a clear concience he it would seem has none

our neighbour has two, I still cant belive how smart they are. one in particular is amazing ive never before seen a dog that not only fetches his ball, but throws it himself this guy can keep himself entertained all day. not to mention his 80 + human. anything she needs, n askes him for it, if he can move it he fetches it. n his brother helps priceless

probably offended everyone insuinuating any connection between a furkid and an oat

found this " Mr ADRIAN PICCOLI (Murrumbidgee) [7.49 p.m.]: I rise to speak about the Department of Primary Industries agriculture station at Temora. I refer particularly to the oat breeding program conducted at the field station at Temora. There has been some discussion about the future of the program since the current oat breeder, Mr Glen Roberts, announced his retirement a little while ago. Concerns were expressed that the winter breeding trials might be terminated at the end of 2008 to coincide with his retirement, and that has been pretty well confirmed. The Temora Agricultural Research and Advisory Station has bred high-quality wheat and oat varieties for the State's growers for over 75 years and it is a major component of New South Wales Agriculture's bred wheat program. The ravages of the drought that we have endured for many years mean that it is now essential that varieties continue to be bred and trialled at Temora so that they can be refined not only for conditions that prevail at Temora but for those in the whole of the Western Riverina. With oats considered one of the healthiest cereals available to combat cholesterol, it seems unbelievable that the department is content to see oat breeding cease at Temora. The breeding program there is the only publicly funded program in New South Wales. The Temora Shire Council and the community have sought advice on the continuation of these programs. There is a feeling that it is essential that these crops continue to be bred and trialled at Temora to ensure that varieties are available to provide the best option for the farming community in Temora shire and across the State. The Department of Primary Industries a few days ago issued a statement to say that the Temora Agricultural Research and Advisory Station would not be closed. Whilst I appreciate that it will not close for the time being, the value of stations such as Temora is dependent on the activities that are undertaken there. If we do not have an oat breeding program there and other grain breeding programs throughout the grain belt in Western New South Wales we will lose a great asset that this State has had for well over 100 years. If we are not breeding grains in the areas in which they are to grow and are instead relying on trials conducted in greenhouses in Canberra, the United States and Europe we will not get the varieties we need that are particularly relevant to our weather conditions. The varieties of grains that grow well in central and northern New South Wales do not necessarily grow well in the Riverina or in Victoria. We need site-specific trials and breeding of these different grain varieties. With all the talk about world food shortages I think it is very unfortunate that over the past couple of decades grain breeding and the emphasis on research and development in agriculture have declined, particularly in western New South Wales. We will come to regret the downgrading of facilities at places such as Temora, Yanco and Deniliquin—two are in the Murrumbidgee electorate and Deniliquin used to be in my electorate—particularly Yanco with the TAFE training that was undertaken there, because of the world food shortages and the changes in climate being experienced across New South Wales. I can only call on the Department of Primary Industries to reconsider the funding cuts to all the agricultural research stations, but particularly the three in my electorate. I call on the department to reinstate some of the breeding programs so that we can continue to support our farmers to be the world's best in the growing and production of wheat and other grains. Last modified 20/08/2008 16:10:15 :" " REGIONAL BREEDING PERSPECTIVES - AUSTRALASIA Robyn McLean (i), Keith Armstrong (ii), John Oates (iii), Glen Roberts (iv), Leonard Song (v) and Pamela Zwer (vi) (i)Agriculture Western Australia, Locked Bag 4, Bentley Delivery Centre, Western Australia 6983 Email: [email protected] (ii)Crop and Food Research, Private Bag 4704, Christchurch, New Zealand. Email: [email protected] (iii)University of Sydney, Plant Breeding Institute, Private Bag 11, Camden, NSW 2570 Email: [email protected] (iv)NSW Agriculture and Fisheries, Agricultural Research and Advisory Station, PO Box 304, Temora, NSW 2666 Email: [email protected] (v)Queensland Department of Primary Industries, Leslie Research Centre, PO Box 2282, Toowoomba, Queensland 4350 Email: [email protected] (vi)SARDI, GPO Box 397, Adelaide, South Australia 5001 Email: [email protected] Now is a time of considerable change in breeding programs generally throughout Australasia, and oat breeding is no exception. We are facing changes in research funding arrangements, breeding directions and priorities, changing market and end user quality requirements, and the integration of new breeding technologies into our programs. It is also a time of exciting new prospects and opportunities to be seized by breeding programs. We have the opportunity to use new tools, such as marker technology, genetic engineering, doubled haploids, and others to improve our breeding programs and our ability to select superior lines. It is also a time in Australasia when we are starting to make significant advances in defining oat quality through our collaborations with end users and exporters. " somehow i doubt the vets who have decided they know best and are getting so much media attention have a miniscule of the genetic knowledge of these people mentioned above, these are the real people dog breeders should be seeking for knowledge i think?

rather a long time ago, i wanted something that was not in existance in australia. a black guinea pig. that bred true. not a big ask u would think? but nope no such critter. so i set out to create them. the gene base was 3 females and 2 males. 1 male was discovered to carry a lethal. so, to delete all his offspring would have me down to one foundation male, thanks to a genetist friend he mapped out for me how to delete the lethal by test mating any of his male descendants to females that had produced a lethal an no male that failed the test was kept only clear males used. in theory it should have taken minimum of 12 tested generations of males to eliminate the gene, luckily it was gone in 6. one female was so outstanding she was bred to her son, that son to her and that son to her in all 4 "generations" all with the same mum. n better every time. no lethals surfaced, although a lilac gene showed up along with a chocolate one as well creating another two new colours. the resulting progeny took out supreme champion at the initial interstate champion show. 15 years later and an awful lot of guinea pig generations later these descendants took out champion and supreme against the now dozens of imports since allowed into the country. yet i was told by the successfull exhibitors that they found to add the imported lines or any other outcross resulted in losing quality. so the winners and champion were totally traceable solely back to those 5 animals. a line that had at that stage went back 21 years to the original 5? now some 27 years later i learnt they still exist. so thats 49 years n still producing well with no lethals showing up pity dog breeding cant achieve the same results. n no dna tests available in them thar days to take shortcuts but it does take something thats pretty hard and very upsetting to do. totally ruthless in selection n culling. an wont pretend there wernt tears on the way. doubt i would have stuck it out without the guidance of old school breeders and my genetics friend now retired and known world wide for his genius in oat breeding research. he is the real brains behind them.

:rofl: :rofl: :D :D :D :D course not they will blame it on the "unethical" breeders/ parents of the next human generation surely?

ever occur to you thats exactly what they do to anyone that they please? ie the lady with the debarked dogs, (remember she is not being charged with debarking them, for "exhibiting them" may as well bring in you cant take a desexed dog to a public place either?) now there would be a real money maker. the rescue couple? the list is pretty long an the kicked have no place to go to for intercession on their behalf save the courts and that takes money, major money. and yep its no accident the legal profession is voted on a par with used car salesmen. they too can be totally incompetant and still charge like wounded bulls. never forget after a divorce case the law society was contacted to dispute a bill in excess of 2,000 for items listed as, "attendance on the phone," by the solicitor concerned to be told that their job was to ascertain if the charges were excessive, not to ascertain if they had been actually services rendered. the complainant had never spoken to the person on a phone, ever, yet was charged for a service never rendered?

nnnnn u only have to milk em once a day. dairy farmers would love em well i found the babies trived even on just one feed a day when i used to breed the show rabbits

since none of us were there its a case of nver know. although i would NEVER leave anyone near the gentlest girl i own if they had food in their hand. she just opens her mouth and chomp! lost a finger nail n she didnt even notice. somehow i suspect the toy was the total focus of the dog and the rest was a bit like my fingernail. in the wrong place at the wrong time. people dont seem able to realise they are not really 'fur kids" they dont know a digit or nose or whatever body part too close to a toy, food whatever needs to be avoided when excited and not paying full attention. yes some are savage by intent but more injouries occur during play than any other time and just jumping up to grab a toy and send a child flying if it is a young child. sooooooooo few people seem to have been around animals enough to remember this and never leave young children alone with their pet. as for what a child can do? well someone mentioned the pencil down the ear. i know a hysterical parent found their young pup dead its mouth and throat full of food, stuffed their by their child who assured them he was "just feeding it and it went to sleep and wouldnt wake up" its not just the child in danger.

I too know Russ and he is a fabulous person. he needs all the backing he can get.

breeding is so much more complicated than doing a few dna tests and thinking wow now they are guaranteed if they past them there another couple of tens of thousands of genes still to be located and their affects mapped

sadly so true jed. i bought my first purebred puppy some 30 years ago. what a change from today. if the puppy was up to standard you could have main registration , encouraged and mentored for the good of the breed. not today. want main registration. ooooo so you want to be a puppy farmer. not with my puppies. when the puppy farmer and backyard breeder labels began to bandy about i tried to warn the bandiers. hey we all have backyards we can all be branded with the tag. dont you see what you are doing. manufacturing the very knives that will stab you????? deaf ears all round. now its happened n "responsible" has now morphed into lifetime guarantees?????? you cant even guarantee that for your own child! yet your now unenthical if your not prepared to do so for any puppies you breed? as for dna, theres still too few things and the process is still being researched for so many I know many who have spend tens of thousand trying to test n breed hd free and failed. i see the same mess from the beef cattle worlds embracing of ebv technology and muscle scans. conformation has gone out the window. great ebv's. pity they are so weak in the back and legs the bulls cant serve past 3 to 5 years when their serving lifetime should be 15? at lest the beef studbooks havent fallen for restricting their members from how many calves they can breed (for the good of the cows/breed) or who they can put them too. although the contamination of unsoundness is not going to be bred back out in a generation when at a guess 90 percent have the new improved genetics in them. only a precious few resisted the flood and their studs are being rushed. if they were dog breeders though they would be refusing to sell any with papers scared of being labled "..... farmers" with the resulting stigma attached.

curious, maybe its my computer but to me his nose is blue, if so hes a very dark blue sable. ie gold undercoat with heavy blue ticking. i have a blue chihuahua just as dark as him. same eyecolour too.

I chipped a litter of labradors with the colour collar system, next morning only two of 16 pups still had their collars on. another lady had black poodles. she had it down pretty pat i thought for someone without a scanner. she clipped the furtherst left toenail on the left front paw for the first pup and nail polished that nail white. second toenail for the next pup, third toenail for the third pup n fouth for the fourth pup. then began on the right front paw for the fifth pup n so on. she had eight pups and they were all like peas in a pod. she checked the nail polish daily and said she had no problems doing it that way. me, SCANNER. far more easy and accurate in any circumstances. well unless the battery goes flat

same thing happend to a lady in penrith i know's cat. came home all claws missing. she now has a totally cat proof run built on the side of her house to keep them safe

If "we" refers to breeders, we already do. I know the major diseases my breeds are liable to acquire, and how (when known). I have personally to research into some of these, as opposed to the mandatory donation which my CC takes from puppy registrations. I also have a litte black book with noted hereditary problems in lines in my breeds, which I add to when necessary. I think all responsible breeders do the same thing. What bothers me is the spin off coming from this. Very similar to what happened prior to BSL and anti docking laws (as well as some other draconian laws overseas). It also bothers me that the report couldn't get the name of the breed right - or maybe they did mean King Charles Spaniels, which despite having a domed head, also suffer from SM I don't think most breeders will want to be told by "someone" that that cannot use this line, it is too close, or they cannot use that dog, or that the pups must be microchipped at birth, or the bitch checked by the vet every time pre mating, or checked post whelping (which is already law in Vic). Bet Hargreaves - absolutely no idea. it is interesting, the dog world, well pedigree anyway looks like ending up breeding by committee. wonder how long before they expect to do the same to the throughbred breeding industry? NOW that might get interesting. dont know if your aware of it but thers a stallion line noted for its descendants breaking legs, it was commented ruffian was bred to die, apparently she is of the line, they tend to have a short use by date. the wise get them to a few black type races then retire em to stud before they "break down" well if they are lucky. the idea of course being make the money standing the survivors at stud to produce the next fragile generation, they are fast and thats the bottom line or dairy and beef breeders, or sheep? anyone any idea the priority list n who has it?

not suprising, she would have to be one of the prettiest aussie shepherds ive ever seen n now your in no doubt shes a smart as she looks