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what an amazing cat? am i right its hardly any hair on it???

before the idea to call them designer dogs you could get your mutt for free or 50 at most. its a good idea to go to shows and see the breeds you are thinking of first. then ask your own vet, which breeds he sees with the least percentage of problems. n if hes a nice one he may even tell you which breeders he knows whose parents and pups he thinks have the least number of problems showing up? although its also a good idea to ask the breeders of any puppy you are looking at who is the most respected vets, if you dont have one you know well and trust, some unfortunately can be like don jerk n word does get around. among breeders who they have found they like best. i know there are breeders who are offering lifetime guarantees, snap them up while they are still around. because you couldnt get a better deal. fraid im a bit of a cynic these days. how a dog can be compared to a fridge is beyond me. its not "goods" in my eyes its your pet? its a living breathing original no two the same unless it has an identical twin or been cloned? anyway. i find it fascinating when we havent a clue how our own child will turn out, looks let alone healthwise, today a dog breederis being said, i mean expected to be able too? even in this incredibly technological age when a racehorse can be worth and win millions, they are still putting the best to the best and hoping for the best. unlike the dog world yet, if you fork out the million and it doesnt win, they cant take it back and expect a full refund.... YET anyway. forget where the thread is but the show puppy with the perfect teeth whose adult teeth didnt come through same as his baby teeth so stopped being a winner so was returned for a refund. so why cant the buyer of a top priced yearling get their refund yet? same scenario surely? maybe thats the way of the future. find one or two of each breed with no defects and dont waste time breeding from it. u dont know what may be recessive n isnt showing but its tops for health, longlivity and soundness... just get heaps of tissue stored and clone em ad infinitum. its already being done. theres a wagyu bull in japan his 3rd or is it his 4th generation clone is now standing at stud? its on google somewhere. havnt found him yet but heres one bull they have 3 sons of now. n what they cloned them from defies belief? http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%...ne-0004142-g003 click on where it says (fig 3) in the txt andyou can see the calves photos.

So are you saying that if you cross a lab with a GR (both breeds known to be prone to ED and HD) then you are LESS LIKELY to get a dog affected by HD or ED than purebreds of both breeds? I would say crossbreds (not mutts) have just as many health problems as purebreds in my experience except the trouble is the person who breeds the x bred isnt attacked as unethical if the pup develops the same problems as the purebred. the breeder of a purebred even one whose parents n grandparents havent shown any sign of the problem are immediately said by any vet who finds the problem in a pup they bred, the owner is invariably told the breeder was obviously unethical or the puppy would not have been born with the problem when in real fact, nature is unethical in passing these things on. recessives can survive in a population for generations over even hundreds of years, if you doubt that, think for instance of fresien and angus cattle for starters. for over 1 to 200 years any red calves got the chop....... yet they still turn up. border collie pups that werent black or black and white have had the chop for how many hundred years???? yet what do we have now they arent being killed at birth now? blue, chocolate and gold. all three recessives have still survived all those generations until the odd oddbod was finally allowed to live and grow. n now even become an aussie champion. there are tens of thousands of equally recessive genes that we will never be happy to find in our dog,. patella and so on. yet same as the colours now accepted, the red angus now even has its own registry. we wont be seeing a patella registry though will we? yet its the same thing that pops up but the owner of the parents is to blame???????? get real. the battle is to try and eliminate the hidden. long as the breeder is accused of being dishonest ect when this happens more and more will give up and why shouldnt they. does anyone honestly believe the red angus, red fresien n gold, chocolate n blue borders are only born to parents owned by unethical people??????

vet said he heard don burke blame rspca for influxof designer dogs? he couldnt remember which channel, id love to be able to find a link and see for myself, anyone know of where n when n where a link to it is?

theres another called Cracker, where my stolen puppies were sold, by i later learned a professional house breaker. it was an eye opener to be sitting in the waiting area of the campbelltown court house and spot the familiar faces seen cruising the streets of our suburb only days and weeks previously i can tell u? even more chilling a pair hubby had spotted checking out a neighbours a few weeks earlier n had called the police, but they scarpered soon as they saw they were being watched, turned up at the waiting area and began talking to the pair who where waiting to see the magistrate over the theft of our pups. soo they may live in campbelltown but they do their "shopping" in penrith eh? maybe its a rule u dont "work" too close to home perhaps? n the idiots want breeders addresses made public again! these guys aint fictional, theres a whole different world and ethos existing on another parrallel world

the schools system for a while went along the lines of "have a go" and chucked out teaching spelling. soo a whole generation of kids spell "like it sounds" its not their fault but it can leave you with the screaming jim jams when it comes to trying to teach em how you REALLY spell words.

he was a locum while my normal vet was sick. not much consolation but he was fired after i reported the conversation to his boss. n although he had to be smart to have passed his BvSc exams, he wasnt bright enough to twig that repeating that back to the boss might not find favor with him either.

in the case of the puppies i was told to change breeds. in the case of the kittens, what was the use. it was five years after the event i discovered they knew the batch was faulty. n how can i say i knew? dob my friend in? catch 22 if they were honest i should have been told by the vet who vaccinated them surely and offered compensation??? and im hightly curious what the vets are so worried about? they arnt worried when the pups die from the vaccination? hey i even had the vet who killed the entire litter that it was a good thing, eliminated any dogs from the gene pool that couldnt tolerate the vaccine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i kid u not that was his words. when i asked them then do you believe ivermectin should be administered to all collie dogs and susceptable breeds including murry gray cattle to eliminate all that cant tolerate ivermectin . his reply was yes. well suppost at lest it would save breeders from having to have the testing done to see if they cant? theyd be dead already

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A friend sent me an email with this link. interesting to say the least, looks like america's version of our rspca isnt too popular either? funny how the reasons seem a bit familiar? http://humanewatch.org/index.php/site/cate...of_one_percent/

n on that note, whenever do the vaccine companies take any responsibilty for puppies that die after vaccination? lost an entire litter before i even arrived home once when they first released the new improved parvo vaccine in the 90's one thing for sure they would never get parvo or anything else, they certainly were protected for "life" all right. other litters id find some had died overnight, in one case 4 of 6 puppies dead. stuff of nightmares ho, and are they aware of this? i phoned them to lodge a complaint, and what do i get told? "change breeds, its only chi's that are dying" so i asked on this very forum who had lost puppies after vaccination and the list of breeds was awesome, so it wasnt just chi's that were having problems as he said.

pardon me but when do the vaccine manufactures give ANY SUPPORT????? i had a litter of lilac himalayan kittens 8 of them, the morning after their vaccination all but two were dead, and they were in a coma. the vet managed to save one. when i went to pick her up and pay the bill he said it would amount to thousands and he had become attached to so so much he would prefer to keep her in lieu of the cost. so, lost the lot, paid out hundres in having them vaccinated, do i even get any compensation for their deaths, zilch, return of vaccinations cost? zilch. hey, no way it could have been the vaccine, i must have not noticed they were unwell and thats why they died. so what do i discover 5 years later when a friend gets a job at the said vaccine company? in the records, some 600 cats n kittens died that particular year when a contaminated batch went out before they twigged and recalled the rest of the batch. soooo u tell me where they take any responsibility? those kittens were worth over $1,000 each and already had deposits paid on the ones to be sold, all of which had to be returned. that vet never once contacted me to tell me the vaccine had been recalled and i was entitled to any form of compensation? i like the grieving owners of those other 592 cats and kittens would never have known why they died if but for pure chance.

what i find amazing is this is only NOW being put out that yearly vaccinations are unnecessary? my vet told me that in 1998? I kid you not. n yep some of em are amazing, friend was told a puppy she bred needed $3,000 surgery for elbow displacia. rang me in horror as the vet told the puppys owner to bill her and had phoned her to tell her he was sending her the bill when it was done. told her to demand the right to take it first to her vet for second opinion, to discover both elbows were fractured? they had let it jump from a verandah and at 9 months old it weighed more than its 5 year old mum it was so obese. another friend whose vet vaccinated her cats yearly discovered the eldest developed pnemonia after his last 3 boosters, costing thousands to save him each time, and finally year 4 decided, maybe just maybe, it was the boosters nearly killing him. stopped the boosters and he lived another 5 years, without anymore health issues, made it to 21.

I wandered in recently and asked to downgrade one of mine from main to limit. was not too impressed at how much they want to down grade? considering how much u pay for a MR wasnt expecting such a hefty charge to change it. interestinly if u have a stallion regisered, the downgrade to gelding is FREE? muggins thought it would be the same with dogs, learn something new every day dont u,

they have similar for horses and my stallions testes dissappeared completely

I wish I could say yes.....but.......... what is an acs? was thinking u meant australian cattledog? are u? my family has had them from the day i was born and ive never seen one of our dogs with any of the issues u name or blindness issues, one just pegged it at 14 from prostrate cancer? still fine in the eyes though. umm does this qualify as a question? not a comment?

ha. forgot. but what benefits are flowing to his income generation?. breeds he has rarely seen needing ceasers are turning up in droves, common denominator? the ages of the mums, although he suspects the trend to widening heads for the showring too. funny how so many breeds seem to be thought to be better if the head is a bit broader ............ dont fret. no more comments ..... promise

think its a lost cause kiddo. i know a vet, suprisingly a ex rspca vet, (with quite a few years on the job) who is laughinghing his head off. what has he said to me? "it is the end of pedigree dogs, its just a matter of time. the best age to breed bitches is when they are young and supple, less whelping problems, less fertility problems, less congenital problems, bitches were meant to be pregnant with each season and better off having their pups when they are young and desexed young. benefits? she has her babies when she is in her youth and prime and if her breeder has to rehome her to make room for the next generation she is 3 or 4, young enough for a very happy family to take her. people think a 5 or 6 year old dog is OLD. its equally true of bitches as it is for elder women. older they are the more delivery problems, birth defects percentage wise, fertility wise etc. but hey. who is game enough or silly enough to say such things. NO MEMBER of a canine body, well unless they are contemplating suicide anyway. is going to try pushing that line of thought today are they?" was interesting to hear his opinion though.

there are breeders who have been doing this for decades, long before the dna tests became available, some actually knew what they were doing and what they were looking for. prior to that some breeders of many breeds, not just dogs, were testing by specific matings to determine if parents were clear. one of the quickest was sire to daughter and dam to son. it was not just a tool used by lazy or shonky breeders as now being said. unfortunaly great as a tool dna is, it has only tests available for a fraction of the problems needing testing for as yet. so parents and grandparents etc found clear by age is still worth continuing as well until such tests down theline do become available. trouble is a significant portion still think a mismating will give x bred puppies being able to show up for the remainder of the bitches life? so theres a huge differnce in knowledge base among members.

correct me if im wrong, but isnt that the general idea? no puppies available to any but the breeder to show and prove their ethical or only available to friends who promise to show. sooo no more available as pets so no chance of em ending up in pounds because they aint there? think thats the rationale behind it?

I think that depends on the state/municipality, but yes, many off-duty cops carry their weapons with them. Even when off-duty if they come upon a situation that warrants police interference they can/are allowed to "do their duty" as an officer of the law. However to take your loaded, off-duty firearm to a dog park where there are lots of people and probably children running around is just plain stupid. Also, this guy was not a local police officer. He is a federal officer, so think glorified security guard. well its becoming a bit scary how many people have died at the hands of even non gun toting security guards

n strangles can be "rare" if horse owners never let their horse drink from public troughs, vaccinate, and dont let them graze while at shows so they dont get contaminated by infected water or grazing where an infected horse may have been. ive had horses for nearly 50 years and the only one to ever get strangles came home from the stud with it. and surpise suprise, with the above stratagies none of my others caught it from her. exactly and where does a "collar" go? round the neck and the bottom of one runs under the jaw.. soo some moran inspector was just as much knowledge as the morans in australia decided it was from a too tight collar? n yes some horses do wear collars. although not many, its done to stop them windsucking. as well many big studs put them on all the mares with a number so they can easily identify them. gather in the case of that guys horses, it was simply strangles and yep they look pretty dreaful but i can tell you if it doesnt burst there then the outcome is far worse because all that muck goes down into the lungs and not many survive that, that one the vets call bastard strangles and most die. so the sores are a good not a bad sign. but hey, who are us horse people ? no nice person would keep a horse and make a slave of it would they? so its open season on such cruel people surely . dont know where the link is but its round here somewhere. the megalong riding place was forced to destroy its retired horses despite hundreds of acres they could live out their lives happily, because someone in the rscpa decided they must die. charged the owners for failure to worm despite years of account records of regularly doing just that, and used the FACT that within days horses are reinfested ,soooo simply came back a few weeks before the next due worming. took samples. (of course there was going to be a posative count,) thats why they are wormed regulary.. the rspca prefer SOFT targets. look what happens when they actually take on someone who can afford to fight back? didnt they totaly muff it???? poor diddums, too many soft targets so wernt prepared for facing live ammo? look at the cruelty of the ruth downes case? they shot every one of her cows despite the fact the feed store was there with a truckload of feed for them and was regulary delivering feed. it was full drought, they were dairy breed cattle which DO NOT LOOK LIKE BEEF cattle. they turned away the driver then used the excuse to shoot them because she had no feed on the place? well if you refused to let the produce store unload the feed ordered then how can it be on the property? then theres the dairy in victoria. the owners arrived home as the inspector was finishing shooting their cows they had foolishly put to graze near a public road. someone decided they looked skinny, odd that, high production fresiens tend to look like that.. but hey,, inspectors can "form the opinon" and thats all they have to do by law, in that instance his opinion was he shoot them immediately even before making any contact with the owner. fait accomplai before they could even come home. the husaband died of a heart attack not long after, his widow believes from the shock and distress of that day, 3 generations of breeding some of the best freisens in victoria gone. no warning, no appeal. do they fabricate evidence? well i have a letter from richard amery dated `14 june 2001. which says "without proper records of your own or or veterinarian, showing that stringy was under veterinary care the inspectors could only rely on their own judgement. in this case inspector donnelly decided that stringys best interests would be served by proper veterinary examination and diagnostic work up at the rspca shelter". very interesting that. since in the two weeks between the first visit by donnelly when i gave him my vets phone number he never once availed himself of the opportunity to speak to my vet, so how did he reach a conclusion as given to the then minister for agriculture AFTER THE EVENT? HE DID FINALLY speak to my vet, WHEN MY VET PHONED HIM TO DEMAND THE DOGS RETURN. (ie already, stolen, taken, seized past tense?) then and only then did he learn my vet had made the almost fatal mistake (for my dog) of not writing in his records when there is nothing wrong with the dog. (interestingly, the only vets ive met who put in their records when they see the dog and its fine and write that, have already learned after a simlar previous altercation with the rscpa?) since when can you say you acted on information gained AFTER THE EVENT??????????????????? N SINCE WHEN DOES BLUE GENE ALOPECIA need carving the victum up to find something chargable? he was returned with a torn trachea and pnemonia . THAT IS IN HIS VETS RECORDS. N IT COST ANOTHER 600 to save him from the the conditon in which he was returned from the rscpa's "care"? thats on top of all the charges for the "testing " done by them before they would deign to return him. donate to the Animal Welfare League, they actually do care about the animals. not publicity seeking at any cost

please forgive me while i kak myself laughing do you realise that the RSPCA special constables are "preferably ex police with prosecution experience willing to undergo animal care course" that said constables do not have to pass the course all they have to do is attend? my husband was teaching a class and when he reported to the principle that a number of members of the class paid no attention and there was no way he could give them a pass was told not to worry, all they have to do is attend they dont have to pass. they are rspca inspectors. yet all they have to do under the law is "form the opinion" an animal is negleted or needs to be seized to do so. they dont have to have any actual animal care qualifications yet you expect more of a pet shop employee?????????

thanks for that poodlefan sent this back to my friend. she had forwarded it to heaps of people by the addresses in the one i received Hi kay, i posted it on dogzonline and they said its a fake. rathr relieved actually imagine if such a training existed, how many could such a dog kill on the way back to the handler? it hit me how could it know who was "enemy" or who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time? turns out the photo is of a police dog in the usa. heres a link to it. http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/brutus.asp cheers

actually im not sad. pretty frightening they could train a dog to come back and kill anyone between it and its owner . think of how many could have been killed that were innocent. as i said, it sounded pretty amazing. so being a myth actually makes me feel better to know. if that makes any sense? Yeah, it does. A dog that large would be an absolute liability in a warzone too - they have to be able to get in and out of all kinds of vehicles and over all kinds of obstacles. As far as I'm aware the US military don't use crossbred dogs for work - they use mostly Belgian Malinois these days and I understand that is what the dog is in the photo that often accompanies the story. lets face it, it seemed ironic to put that prayer under it, for a story that tells our best mate could be taught to kill. i almost deleted it for that reason, but wondered if it had been included for a reason i couldnt see, if u get my drift?