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this should be mandatory reading for every politican being pressured to GIVE US MORE POWER CRAP WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO RUTH DOWNEY they have been doing for decades and no one will listen to the victums. all they get is "u must have deserved it."

http://sosnews.org/pdf/The-Ruth-Downey-Inquisition.pdf emailed to me,

Id say so - other similar studies have shown people stay in breeding for an average of around 6 years so it looks like this is backing that up. What it means though is that the majority of people who are breeding are at the low end of the experience end. true but try helping them, the majority are polite but not interested, they know it all. read the standard, have the books. who do u think u are? even the nice ones, leave me breathless, just listening to em, selecting "bloodlines" like they think its a cake receipe. one of the reasons the ones ive seen jump, is discovering not all puppies turn out healty and sound. one or two and they get rattled, "ethical breeders dont get this happen" the breeder i got mine from mustnt have been ethical so that ones name becomes mud, n if they are sensitatve they too give up and out. so out goes the dogs, in comes a "better one" usually at great cost, testing etc, n something else gets found, orr whelping problems and one too many midnight runs to the vet sorts a lot out too.

although you spoken well, the last words "but it does take time" do give the idea that in time all genetic disasters can be eliminated. it aint going to happen in our lifetimes if ever. nature likes change, even now mutations are being detected, recent mutations so how long is a piece of string

thanks for that. how distressing for those with labs although i expect there are just as nasty ones hiding in most breeds, sadly deletrious genes have been found lurking in every organism not just dogs. who would have thought a dwarfism gene would be hiding in the massive fresian horses? n how hard its been to eradicate the chestnut gene, no problem for the one born chestnut, BUT like the coloured border collie for so many hundreds of years just not allowed. wonder if a chestnut fresian registery might get off the ground, there is a studbook for red angus now. n lucky days for any non black n white borders born today, they get to grow up WITH rego papers, can even be a show dog? how things have changed eh but it just goes to show how hard it is to eliminate just a recessive gene for an unwanted colour

:D oh no.....I'm besmirched....woof..... fifi ooopss sorry Fifi........... :D I have no problem with advertising of a Stud Dog in a doggy magazine, internet etc. I enjoy looking at ads. I have a problem with those who actively chase up stud work for their dogs by direct contact. Angelsun I agree, I see it as pimping! shock horror, FIFI'S name needs to be removed immediately, poor fifs talk about lack of privacy? had a funny conversation about this just last week. attended a seminar on cancer research and three out of 6 dogs declared beyond veterinary help with brain cancers were still alive 1 to 2 years later with no detectable tumurs via mri scans, all but matilda had their names deleted (hers had missed the delete button somehow, well so far) as the lecturer had been told recently it was an invasion of privacy to make the patients names public? even dogs :) somehow id be thinking they owners would be over the moon with delight? what would others think? n to think we can see dogs being saved but its not available for humans yet. umm come to think of it, if your in melbourn, n been pronouced beyond help your doc can get u referred to one of the three hospitals that are now commencing trials soo its limping into the human sphere finally

although come to think of it, isnt ollie waffle asking just the same as the rspca and the lobby groups??? perfection in every "PUPPY PRODUCT" produced/born? the defination of "pedigree" is not too subtly changing from the original known meaning of parentage known to "perfect product" or the manufacturer/breeder is unethical. pity mum nature hasnt got the message faulty genes are not an option anymore i know, ive taken back a puppy whose digusting fault is although it had perfectly aligned puppy teeth, its adult bottom teeth have come in angled forward? why? havnt a clue, the baby teeth were perfect, the jaw line is correct, BUT the adult bottoms are definately angled forwards as if pushed from behind and the look is made even more so as they are at sixes n sevens not evenly leaning forwards. nothing else wrong with it, no dreadful genetic faults, lovely type, enough to win in the ring. but , no longer perfect, return to sender . in olly's case is complaining after refusing to return to sender?

I did a google as ocd to me means obsessive compulsive disorder. so added the word dwarf and came up with this link? http://friesian-crazy.tripod.com/health.html which led me to this link http://www.dragonflyacres.ca/ as well as this "Osteochondritis Dissecans (OCD) OCD is a degenerative joint disease ( a type of developmental orthopaedic disease or DOD) usually found in young, rapidly growing horses who will eventually mature to over 15 hands. As may be expected, Friesians can be prone to the disease, simply due to their size. OCD occurs when cartilage at the end of growing bones, instead of hardening into bone, begins to break down. As a result of this break-down, small bits of cartilage may break completely or partially off and harden into bone cysts, which irritate the area of the joint, causing a build up of fluid (swelling), and pain (lameness). OCD can be identified by lameness or swelling commonly in the hocks, stifles and fetlocks of young horses, especially those who have recently entered training or become more active, putting more stress on their growing joints. OCD can also cause locking stifles. Although OCD is commonly identified by a lameness, in some cases there may be no obvious symptoms, in which case the problem will likely clear up on it's own. The cause of OCD has been linked to nutrition, particularly mineral imbalances, as well as trauma from excessive physical exercise. The disease is also thought to be at least somewhat genetically inheritable. OCD can be officially diagnosed by x-rays and other veterinary procedures. Once determined that a lameness is in fact caused by OCD, traditional treatment options include joint injections, stall rest and a change in diet, or surgery to remove the floating bone fragments from the joint. Left untreated, OCD can cause significant, long-term joint damage, and the fullness of recovery after treatment varies depending upon the individual." so "thought" to be at least somewhat genetically inheratable is a HUGE difference to both parents gave it. odd u dont mention the linked to nutrition, particularly mineral imblances????? n trauma. ive a friend put through this, yep the pup was a lab, yep the vet the owner took it too intended taking them to the cleaners for the ops planned. think the figure was 6,000. she took it to her vet for a second opinion and suprise suprise, it weighed more than its 5 yr old mum at 8 months and had fractures of both elbows, due it was discovered from the owners child, it had jumped from a second floor verandah. n yes the owners vet had said the damage was genetic........? n yes curious how registered breeders are supposed to be able to prevent imperfections of every possible kind, yet human parent's cant guarantee their child impunity from imperfection either???? just be careful ollie waffle, once the axe is nice and sharp, dont drop it on your foot

yep tough isnt it your right though, its sad that such a small few can cause so much pain u tend to forget they are the minority oddly enough daughter has never been bitten by a dog though she grew up surrounded by em, mostly cattledogs. since this area u need em round the house if u dont want to find your been "visited" only this weekend 5 of my neighbours were robbed while they slept. i kid u not. all we can figure was it was odd the ones left alone had dogs eh? we are all glad none of them woke up, considering what can happen during home invasions eh? apparently the fridges and freezers were all stripped food thrown everywhere n anything else of value n quickly carried gone. didnt now people kept money in fridges n freezers? anyway thats what they think they were looking for

yep tough isnt it

"The human race is such a kind, compassionate species that we tend to look at our canine companions as little humans. When in reality, they are canines and have a very different thought process. This is what differentiates mankind from other species in pack societies; there must be a specific order, from the leader on down to the last follower. Everyone has a place. The leaders are the strength of the pack. The followers need the leader to guide them. This primal instinct keeps the pack secure and happy." who wrote that? i gather they didnt know about 9 11 or hitler or any of the atrocities man has inflicted on their fellows, since the dawn of the race. from what ive seen cruelty to their own species is inherit to the human race, if you doubt that just watch the schoolyard. manners is parents attempts to make them safe to interact with their playmates kick, bite, scratch, n thats just the psyical attacks without going into the mental damage of bullying? never forget the dreadful day a friends son bit my daughters fingers to the bone, he was 18 months she was 3 months younger and seatbelted in, he reached across and took her hand and his mum thought how cute hes holding her hand, before we had an inkling what he had in mind he pulled her hand to face and bit, he wouldnt let go, his mother had to prise his teeth apart. turned out another child had been biting him at daycare she later learned. yep loving gentle race homo sapeins all right, belive that and u belive in fairies too. theres some seriously sick sapiens puppies out there unfortunately

HI Jed havnt dropped in for ages but always thinking of you and praying for your recovery. so happy your are feeling better, i just bought an awesome candle from a friend. its lilac and scented, about to light it again for you, first run was last night, can only burn it while im with it she warned me never to leave it while burning. just simply love the puppies. never seen a white boxer before even though ive heard they turn up. poor guy didnt even notice him, seems nice though certainly seems to have a sense of humour.

you have a point. my brothers and i grew up with dogs, i wheeled a foxy in my pram, i never was allowed past the front gate without blue the cattledog being beside me. the guard dogs my dad and his brothers had bought for one reason only. Savage. most of them tended to be german shepherds. although the blue cattles usually turned out the friendliest n smartest. n tended to be kept at granddads. the funniest thing was how quickly the dogs learned it was ok to let people walk in, it was ok to let em walk out, long as they werent carrying anything. the rule was dad or his brothers would load your goods in your vehicle n u were fine. dont carry anything yourself or the dogs would have u. n it was amazing how quick the cattledogs learned that? they had a building supply company and there were no security alarms in the 40's n 50's there were four of us born and lived beside the business (before we moved when i was about 13) and never once were any of us bitten by the guard dogs, there were usually two in granddads place, n most of em arrived cross chained, we learned from a very early age, dont touch the guard dog, well until they got to settle in and know us. blue was so savage my dad and his brothers were petrified of him, but he loved mum and he soon decided if we were mum's then yep hed guard us too. whenever i was sent on an errand it was with blue beside me, the funniest thing was anyone comming the other way on the footpath always crossed the road to go past us. blue had a rule. no comming within 20 foot , the teeth would become easier and easier to see the closer they came, none kept comming, they all heeded the warning and crossed the road. although the most savage went to the quarry n we wernt allowed out of the truck there until dad had put them away. one was so savage it was funny to see the game dad played to get him locked up without being munched. he had it down pretty well. although a few years down the track they were on reasonable terms dont think i can remember dad ever patting that one though. come to think of it all the quarry dogs i can remember were german shepherds? the funniest thing ever happend was the vet came to give em all their distemper shots and after he finished dad picked up his bag to carry it to the car, n he insisted only he carry his bag. dad explained that he would be bitten if he didnt let dad carry the bag. vet got huffy and said no dog had ever bitten him and headed for his car. then had the hide to demand dad pay for a new suit because blue had taken the backside out of his pants and ripped his coat.... dad laughed for months, well years over that one ummm imagine the court case today come to think of it.

you forgot, there are heaps of ethicals who will never let anyone have a registered pup from their kennel. cant let the blood out u know? cant risk even one going to a backyarder. i know one bemoning losing decades of breeding when a family member trusted with looking after the bitches while the person went on a holiday came home to discover they all had been desexed . one came in season unexpectedly and the hubby of the household, decided this was all too much of a problem and had all three done as a job lot, cheaper by the dozen as they say. end of line. n because nothing had ever been passed on with papers no where to ask for a pup in the next litter. just go read the dogzonline puppys for sale and see the chances of getting one with papers n dont kid yourself, theres a lot who suspcribe to that thinking. so where is a closed kennel contributing to any part of a breeds future when noone else has access to them? i know my hubby doesnt want to even contemplate me letting anyone have one of my colts, hes been cutting em all for 30 years, cant get him to see, where is the line to continue, when what we have are dead and gone? so its not just dogs it happens

know what u mean steve. phil burgess of elfreda kennels had a setup that could be defined as the gold standard and that was 30 years ago, double meshed outside runs as well decades before anyone realised heartworm had arrived in sydney after cyclone tracy, none of hers were in any danger anyway. i understand they bred up round a hundred in a year. i saw more sound self whelped puppies there over the years than so many other show orientated people who despised her.

or could we actually hope for a miracle and the likes of puggy wuggy actually come to the defence of .......................................... that members actually stop backbiting each other and 'UNITE' dont think it might be a good idea for my health to hold my breath waiting for that

how funny, looks like so many of you if the above three posts are any indication are beginning to twig, yep folks your all backyarders, every single one of you have a backyard. these guys dont care a fig how ethical and caring YOU! ..................... THINK YOU ARE. you are breeding dogs, YOU ARE A SICK PUPPY. you are on the hit list. its a bit like when dunlop took over alcorso, every one in alcorso went to work every day wondering whos going to be fired today. sort of kills the workplace ambiance. now its the dogie worlds turn, enjoy

when did the mentality of "if you dont show your unethical" start up? i know its getting pretty accepted now. met a lad who thought showing is mandatory if you want to become a member of dogs nsw. so he had certainly got the message.

why does this stuff leave me with the feeling those who worked with hitler thought they could minimise the slaughter perhaps? intstead of cleaning up the leadership? why is no politicion with the guts to even acknowledge there is something wrong with a organisation answerable to no one not even the stupid polies doing their bidding.....i know i wonder what is it that the pollies think they are getting in return. only until they destroy someone with friends with political clout will there be any possiblity of that i was listening to a number of people last week, musing that camden sales had the shortest sale they had ever attened, only 80 odd horses turned up for auction that week and "wondered if the heavy rspca presence since the brumby shipment ,since had frightened off sellers bringing in any, just in case the jackboots in jungle greens would go for em", their words not mine, i dont go there.

no less messed than the lady facing what is it? 41 seperate charges for showing her by nsw rules legally, by vic not, debarked dogs. just because some idiot included debarking under tail docking in forming new laws, didnt mean it HAS TO BE ENFORCED regardless. how many times has people been let off with a warning by police and judges? what about the girl on the news last night. 8 times over the limit, did 180 in p plates and gets off with a warning. poorr diddle spca they have to rain hail or sleet prosecute, prosecute, prosecute. they made me do it eh? but how many truely believe the rspca had to prosecute because this idiot law was passed so they must persecute her. no thats not a spelling mistake.

YOU dont realise, your not safe. i remember stringy, i remember there was no breach, yet richard amery had the hide to write and tell me i had nothing to fear from the rspca as long as i adhered to the code of ethic, even kindly included a copy for me. thoughful man. except there was not one single test they did on my dog listed in the code of ethics, there was NOT ONE. he was taken though, i was billed for every procedure they did on him. to get him back after they had run out of idea's and tests, i was allowed to come and collect what was left of him, yes alive, foaming at the mouth, terrified from all the pain inflicted, but his troubles didnt end there. they got the costs of their fruitless tests back, gee they werent even going to let me see him, it was pay up n then we will let you see him. when i stupidly asked whats wrong with him im offered the opportunity to let mark lowrey to do more tests??????????? betty stepkovitch and i got out of there fast as we could. so aside from the roughly 500 dollars to get him back it took another 600 at his own vets to get him over the pnemonia from , suprise a trachel tear my vet said he expects was caused by insertion of too big a trachael tube. nice one. soo dont tell me adhering to the code of practice would have protected string. it didnt, amery didnt, my vet phoned every day asking to see their vet, the inspectors refused to let him speak to him. n who is one of those inspectors hes now, the ceo these days. who walked into the centre of mcgraths hill saleyard and told all present "no one but the doggers are allowed to bid on these horses" an inspecter then, ceo now! wonder how safe the cute n cuddly he had cradled in his arms published in DOGS NSW news might feel if it knew the fate the man holding him sent marions horses too? I know three people who had phoned every day asking to buy them but were turned away. sending 10 young horses to their deaths doesnt come under any heading of "caring" for any creature great or small to me? let alone a recommendation for advancement ?

i know i should be walking away from even thinking about this but this bit "b Explore existing Australian legislation with a view to procedures that defendants to be required to pay court bonds prior to any litigation appeals or appeals in relation to the forfeiture of animals. The bond amount should be based on the financial cost of caring for the dogs on a daily basis, acknowledging that during this period such this care is being provided by RSPCA or other rescue group and not by the defendant. Where a court bond is not paid, the owner would be required to surrender the animals for rehoming." so makes me remember marion alcorn, they took her horses, had her sign them over in exchange for not being made to pay the $70 per week per horse for ten weeks, ten horses . $7,000. then "rehomed" them to the doggers so pardon me for not feeling any warm n fuzzies. now they can slam anyone else in future for the 7,000 upfront or take em eh? am i missing something or is there still ABSOLUTELY nothing going to be implemented where an appeal can be lodged , i see plenty of give us more power. i see nothing of inspectors/special constables, like every other member of the police force or anyother will be accountable????????? or constables being actually expected to have any more animal care knowledge than the present state of"ex police with prosecution experience willing to undergo an animal care course" n as i already know they dont even have to listen or pass, just turn up at class............................... yes i have a fixation, surely there is something so so wrong when rspca constables, let alone the entire organisation are exempt from the same checks and balances as the police force that previously they were before their new totally protected status when they change profession? you cannot become a scout leader or work with the organisation before exhausive checks and balances to protect the children from possible pedefiles yet there is nothing to protect jo or jean public from any psyco from leaving the police where it could have been a case of jump before your pushed and why wouldnt the rscpa be the perfect snuggly haven for the maggots to congregate? theres no disinfectant gets into there does it? no ombudsman no where to lodge an appeal......NOTHING!

i know a vet used to work for rspca victoria and he told me that the number of incontinet puppies reported by concerned owners, from early desexing made him feel this was not in the best interests of the puppies or their owners. although he did a great many in his previous employment, he flatly refuses to do so since being in private practice.

yep they like them, mine used to jump up and swing off the bunch to get theirs, chi's might be vertically challenged but they still like their grape fix if they can get to em

n how valid is it if there isnt a parrallel study on genetic disease incidence in designer dogs... n mongrels as well??????