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dont think the human red hair gene has the same locus or relation to dog colour genetics

found one of the submissions made by the Murray grey stud same as I had seen before but found it on the Victorian enquiry https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/get-involved/inquiries/inquiry-into-the-rspca-victoria/submissions not much of an "enquiry" since none of the submissions were addressed in any way. As commented on by Glynn "3. Documents linked to the Victorian Parliamentary Inquiry. This Inquiry had very broad terms of reference compared to the the NSW Inquiry, and seems to have been an inquiry the Andrews government was forced to set up in response to the public scandals created by the Framlingham court case and the terrible fate of the Bulla race-horses. Daniel Andrews made clear that he was supporting the RSPCA, and the Report that the Victorian Committee produced was an insult to the intelligence of Victorian citizens, and partook somewhat in the nature of a cover-up, by way of silence (There were just 27 pages of text!!!). However, despite these drawbacks a couple of papers in particular were eye-openers to those generally concerned with the public interest, and the negative impact of the RSPCA on that interest. Specifically, Submission 18, from John Maitland (lawyer) and Submission 43 (from Heath-Ellison Holdings) deserved much more attention than they received." https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/4af9be/contentassets/bb6b1a60936e46b886623f0042860e92/submission-documents/submission_43-ja_heath_inland_holdings.pdf interesting submission from a firm had represented Victorians prior to 2017 https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/4af9af/contentassets/b11ed85a4ed94d408c50647f2cd580db/submission-documents/submission_18-maitland_lawyers.pdf .

I can't believe there has been three now and still nothing achieved? My friend sent me the link to the first of the 3. 141 submissions including mine and the murry grey people and so many more. no wonder so few bothered to submit to the 21 and 23, nothing is going to stop them destroying lives and minds and we will never know why are so allowed to do so. Although some states have stopped them prosecuting people has to be an improvement perhaps. They should be stopped from milking producers annually to pay for the "rspca approved" logo, its just a money maker for them, nothing else , they have tried for decades to get the ANKC members to cough up an annual fee for their "rspca approved" logo too, but Dogs NSW have refused. Over 25 years now since they became monsters, yet protected by government is indefensible behaviour by our politician's surely? https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/committees/listofcommittees/Pages/committee-details.aspx?pk=263#tab-submissions

usually blue to gold/red would be all black puppies, unless the red/gold carried a blue dilution gene, then some could be blue. Or the blue carried only one black gene then some could be red/gold only way to know what they carry is a dna profile done which is a good idea anyway, you sure dont want puppies with two copies for PRA or PLL just for starters. the profile will give you who is clear, carrier or two copies for many conditions

Didn't remember there were two? https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/committees/inquiries/Pages/inquiry-details.aspx?pk=2851#tab-submissions 2021 Inquiry into the approved charitable organisations under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 The inquiry commenced on 25 November 2021. Ok im cherry picking the submissions. as many dont say much if u go to the above link you can open the submissions box yourself and check them all. https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/submissions/76889/0006 Mr Grant Holman.pdf I well remember reading Mr Grant Holman;s submission. I well remember my submission and I very well remember Mr Holdsworth and Ms Ellison's murry grey cattle stud submission yet neither mine or theirs can be accessed any more and they certainly were accessible last time I looked? Even stranger, when I first opened the link all the submissions were listed, well over 40, over half labelled as "confidential" and could not be opened, Now when I opened it all the "confidential" marked ones are gone from the list completely? not even numbered????? Have to wonder why the change? Aside from the fact my submission was marked "name supressed" certainly not "confidential" neither was Mr holdsworth and Ms Ellison's. Cannot wonder how long before all dissappear? Their submission was very well written and laid out. Particularly the costs rspca ran them to in the fight to finally win their case, 10 years fighting for justice at a cost of 10 million and the loss of all their assets....... the rspca spent 14 million and lost, only have my memory of what they wrote now. Never understand why the court did not award Mr Holdsworth and Ms Ellison costs? The courts always award the rspca costs, that's how they got over 600,000 in costs and Ruth Downey's home to sell out from under her. Now the only thing u can find is go google and bring up the news reports? Last I heard the rspca vic was still fighting to avoid paying the 1.4 million damages. https://www.9news.com.au/national/farmers-sue-after-rspca-cull-herd/126675ea-f46d-4ecb-80e9-8e55b3c94a0b

I decided to go looking for the murry grey studs submission to the inquiry. since in their case the owner had an appointment to meet the inspector to discuss his cattle, but the rspca inspector did not show up. as for the rest of the story. Logged into https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/committees/inquiries/Pages/inquiry-details.aspx?pk=3025#tab-submissions 2023 Inquiry into the operation of the approved charitable organisations under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 This inquiry was established on 13 December 2023 to inquire into and report on the operation of the approved charitable organisations under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979. found this . It just beggar's belief that the people conducting the inquiry reading this alone, still did nothing to make these monsters accountable?????? https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/submissions/83587/0007 Dennis Phillips.pdf . .

Friend posted this on faceplant. be warned, its very confronting. does show a different way to make an attacking dog let go. but doubt many of us would have this guys strength. some suggested if it has a collar twist it might work? ( If the dog is male and not desexed, I well remember a friend who grabbed the attacking dogs testicles and twisted them. he let go immediately and ran screaming for home. His owners made sure he never got out again. although he was entire because he was a show dog and used for stud. after that incident he never sired another litter so I think Rita did some serious damage to his fertility.) stunned they just let it go its own way at the end. probably attack someone else, why not secure and impound it? https://www.facebook.com/reel/9203496943006120

So few children have a clue how to interact with any animal these days. one boy just couldn't keep still for a second. desperately wanted to pat the ponies but his wild movements scared them off. had to get him to lay down and hold his own hands so they could come up and sniff him. to pat one told him to just hold his hand up and dont move it and sure enough one put its head against his hand and he finally understood, still and slow movement or they are gone in a flash. as for kids and puppies gee, new neighbours kids began screaming and tried to climb their mother when a chihuahua ran up to say hi... no kidding

I realised maybe some one somewhere may need to have a letter like this done and sealed, to be permanently on display, along with sending them a copy to have on file. The information contained, given you this right. Was sent to me by the solicitor fighting for the lives of the two Marama's seized some time earlier that year. They were finally saved and returned but not before much heart ache, trauma and expense to the owner. Same as my experience. Anyway this is my version filed for ever more to at least protect you from them sneaking onto your property and taking what they like when you are not at home as was what happened to Stringy. I think his Marama's were stolen when he was not home too? but it was many years ago now so not positive. Any way, use what is highlighted in black below (like this) in your letter of notice. It worked, and still does. . About 10 or more years ago someone reported my 30 year old horse, didn't enter without my permission. (you feel so hugely less violated, they Don't care a crap if you have a breakdown from the stress they inflict. Seen it in so many over the decades) All these decades later still works. Discovered that when they came to do the POCTA inspection. Actually asked permission to come? Mind she couldn't resist advising me. "I am an rspca inspector, I have more powers than the police, which is why so many of us are shot at." Couldn't believe my ear's. Had me wondering, does she want to be shot at? so she can boast, been one of the attacked? _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 17/5/01 For the attention of The Chief Inspector and CEO RSPCA 201 Rookwood Road Yagoona 2199 Dear Sir, Up to the 21 November 1999 I had a good opinion of this organisation. This was put in doubt that day by the behaviour of your Inspector Donnelly. The subsequent two weeks then the events of the 2.12.99 destroyed all respect for your assertions of caring “on behalf of all creatures’ great and small. As a result this letter is to advise that henceforth all entry onto this property by RSPCA or its agents is 17/5/01 Denied without my express permission in writing. THIS APPLIES TO ALL RSPCA OFFICERS AND ALL AGENTS, INCLUDING SPECIAL CONSTABLES AND MEMBERS OF THE NEW SOUTH WALES POLICE. I also intend to use the provisions of Freedom of Information to obtain copies of all RSPCA records pertaining to the related incidents which related to my personal affairs. If you do not respond I will then apply to the Information Commissioner. I make this request based on the case of ;- Taylor – v – Chief Inspector, RSPCA 91999- nsw adt 23 (19 April 1999) NEW SOUTH WALES ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS TRIBUNAL 0 CITATION: Taylor – v – Chief Inspector, RSPCA It is unfortunate I did not learn of my rights under Judicial Revue earlier. Hopefully I am learning fast and will continue to learn. Since I have now learnt the new order cares for nothing but successful prosecution even to the exclusion of the well being, even to risk the life of perfectly healthy but differently coated representative of the “creatures great and small” in a futile attempt to secure a conviction solely based on “the Inspector formed the view that the subject dog may have required veterinary treatment in relation to its presenting condition. As a result the dog was seized in accordance with section” etc. Excuse me, but while I waited for the return of my dog I was given the Autumn Edition to read. Why was my dog and I not accorded the same treatment and opportunity as Ms Chalmers???????? Or, was she before the new order came in force? Yours sincerely

what was so utterly glaring that NSW lied, "BY LAW they could not operate". Yet also aired in the same episode, was the Victorian seizure of the foundered pony, they too could not locate the owner yet the surgery was done immediately.. As usual they pick and choose what they want to do and cite "the law" as the reason when choose not to . "It has food and water, our hands are tied" no mention they tied their hands themselves because in this instance they dont want too "form the opinion/view, and seize" most likely no money to be made that time. Yet this episode, NSW are prepared to kill it instead.

its on again right now if you want to watch it channel 72 in nsw

So made a huge mistake watching this, the program still on. Ridiculous that over 24 years and still a trigger point rspca nsw are called to two lost dogs, the younger German shepherd puppy hit by a car, "leg badly broken, requires immediate surgery BUT without being able to contact the owner for permission to operate by law, they cannot operate. Unless they can get the owners permission to operate, the puppy will have to be put down". LAIR'S, LAIR'S, LAIR'S they took my stringy, took three skin plugs so big they had to put two stitches in each of them. An operation according to the above , by law they cannot do without my permission! done solely to try and find proof he had sarcoptic mange, even though the seizing inspector had already been told by my dogs vet that he has blue gene alopecia, they told the then Minister for Agriculture Richard Amery, That they "had seized him because the dogs vet had no records of testing the dog" Despite the fact that the dog had been stolen at 1pm on Sunday November 1999 and never been in contact with the dogs vet until Monday morning when Richard phoned demanding they return him as he only has blue gene alopecia, (Richard rang them every day for the 13 days they had him demanding his return) he had diagnosed he had it when he was 4 months old and he began to show short hair along the top of his tail and topline to his shoulders on an otherwise long coat pup, bit like a mini lion. A condition that bears NO resemblance to either demodectic or sarcoptic mange, yet their own vet not only had never heard of blue gene alopecia but refused to even look it up or believe the dogs vet. They lied to the Minister for Agriculture to justify almost killing my dog. When they finally exhausted their attempts to find something they could charge me with I was finally called and told I could pick him up. He was foaming at the mouth and their idiot vet admitted he had no idea what was wrong with my dog and offered to "examine him at your cost" I kid u not. taken straight to his own vet he was found to be suffering pneumonia and a torn trachea from his vet opinion, an oversize trachea tube being forced down . Dogs nsw Liaison Officer Alan Candlish had tried for 13 days to get the dog returned. He said he had never been treated so rudely in all his years of dealing with rspca nsw. He formed the opinion, The difference being as Alan Candlish the then Liaison Officer for Dogs NSW told me, "you have seriously pissed off someone with friends in very high places in the rspca." A year later I did accidently learn who that was, interestingly that person is still a member and breeder of dogs nsw and used to play with him at the chihuahua club meetings as he always came with me. I noticed an add for that kennel only yesterday here. Was heard at a show that even though failed this time would not give up getting me kicked out because I dont show enough to be considered an ethical breeder. How I learned who almost sent him to his death. walk to the drum of the thought police or pay the price of persecution has been the mantra ever since for so many for way too long. 19 years of "where these smoke there's fire" (that was the date of the last time someone here wrote that about me) because I spoke up about being stupid enough to go public my dog had been stolen by the sacred cow rspca On a happy note, the Shetland pony in Victoria, after all the drama, "will or wont she have to be put down!" They took her to a horse vet,( non rspca.} but taken to him and asked by them to work on her feet. and surprise, surprise, even though they could not contact the owner, was still given a general anesethic (remember nsw, same program, said they cannot without owners permission as without it poor puppy will have to be put down) he operated to reshape her hooves after he had removed the massive overgrowth hooves. Learned a neat trick to help a foundered pony, after trimming the hoof much as much as the vet could during the operation and she was back on her feet, cut a block of polystyrene for each hoof, taped it to the bottom of the hoof and the ponies weight squashed it down and thus fitted to the bottom of the hoof protected the sole from the ground so pony could walk pain free until the hoof adjusted . Lucky pony, only the front feet were overgrown. Often is all, front and back.

people have the right to make their own decisions their own mistakes without having to justify themselves. We ALL have the right to make our own decisions, good or bad and learn from them. The OP asked for advice. Not an inquisition. I'm so over dog people passing judgement on anyone who doesn't walk to their drum, it's what has had the ANKC members knifing each other from the the day I heard Betty Stepkivitch and Nancy Gate discussing over our cups of tea how "we need to get rid of puppy farmers and backyard breeders, they will destroy the ANKC's reputation." Even then I asked both of them, what's on the other side of the backdoor? We are all eligible to to be tarred and feathered then. So that's exactly what's happened. It's been very effective, member numbers constantly dropping, population growing by the millions yet less and less purebred puppies every year. Self destruction That was about 1980 None of us had ever heard of PETA. But suddenly instead of welcoming new people we are supposed to view them with suspicion . No longer welcome, no longer offering any help and advice to join and become members. This once happy and busy forum gone same way. Murderer 's and pedephiles have the right by law they are innocent UNTIL proven guilty. But not a pet owner? Even less if you breed a litter? How many here have downloaded and read the ever harsher POCTA legislation? To pass inspection you are, a puppy farm. The lowest of the low. But if you don't pass they can take your pets because as a registered breeder you have to comply or lose them

same with the people who let their cats roam, love them? who are they kidding, if you love them you dont let them out to risk being torn apart by another cat or a dog or hit by a car, surely????? some woman on face plant was asking for help to find her "much loved" unchipped, undesexed tom who had not come home. totally ignorant she had left him with no way to be traced without a chip, would follow any female in season goodness knows how far away and oblivious to any cars when distracted. Let alone how many native animals it will thrill kill. our neighbour won't lock up their cat and I have heaps of native birds thanks to a very good habitat around my home for native birds and it keeps coming here to thrill kill. her excuse? I doesn't like being inside. tough luck. If I catch it its going to the pound, hope it isn't chipped, hopefully with a new owner and chip it might be kept inside and far from my place

good idea really, its very sad to see, although the good news is they caught the foal and saved it. goodness knows how many were not found in time many of the orphaned foals have been found wandering near roads, this one had stayed with its mum