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This information is for everyone else who doesn't have their own stock Whatever dogs or horses or motorbikes bring them in has nothing to do with the flavour of the meat, native pasture, herbal tint, lot fed different , too long between sale yard and slaughter, changes flavour and texture , stressed even more before slaughter great changes.... None good. Best is home kill, second best, straight to slaughter facility and done that day. Taste and tenderness way better than you would ever find at a butcher or supermarket

Must tell piss off Benny ACS's don't roam , hilarious He even shifted a 15 kg rock to get out for a run, Paul weighed it, he just couldn't believe it

Hasn't happened last century not going too, coolies havbeen around over a hundred years alreadye this ANKC n the show world was never wanted by the working Kelpies or coolies Ditto for the wire hair stumpies As well there are thousands of acd's and stumpies never registered with ANKC they are our national breeds with or without pedigrees Pedigree dogs exposed put the whole show world on the world stage n not in a good light if you haven't seen it yet When I bought my first Pure bred in 78 a Chihuahua there were already two strains, the so small delivery by cesearian, or the self helpers. The standard had the sentence "in the case of equal merit the more diminutive preferred" Except the judges were skipping the "equal merit " n straight to the tinyiest.... Protested then that it should be removed from the standard as they shouldn't be so tiny can only survive if puppies delivered by cesearian.... Decades later.... After and only after Pedigree dogs Exposed went global.... Surprise, surprise.... It was deleted,....... Reactive but rarely proactive is the ANKC biggest weakness

No need to recreate the wheel all over again. Better to stick with the breed you like and since there is enough variation within, each breed. can select for the traits you want. Why start X breeding again when the work had already been done?

Yes Never understood the change to all responsible, ethical breeders will life health guarantee their puppies. For life ... No one can do that. Not even for your own child. Whatever happened to reality. All life is a lottery. Once if misfortune struck then it happened because of sin. Or other centuries evil spells. Now if it's a pet the breeder is unethical. Blame game is still busy. Yes there are many dna markers available to reduce such known ones from the gene pool and pups But there are many more still to be mapped. Not only for our pups and other livestock but our children too Life and lifetime health today is still not guaranteed Not yet anyway but we can hope might come

Was reading a post about what is quality in a show dog. One sentance in particular caught my attention "What is quality? It cannot be defined in breed standards or divided into measurements. But like charm and breeding in human beings, it must forever remain independent of legislation. It is an intangible something which does not depend entirely on line but a combination of line, thickness, thinness, width, depth, and curve; their relationship to one another producing a certain perfection and exquisiteness of harmony without which dull correctness is lifeless and uninteresting. A pride of carriage, a ripple of movement, suppleness and grace of modelling which other animals equally good in points have not got. The conventional eye accustomed to dull correctness, or in pursuit of sheer utility, will never make a judge!" To me, among those of equal quality some carry themselves with a pride that I have heard referred to as "presence" some have in spades" Others just don't care . Strangely it's not a sign that the don't care in the line doesn't have the determination of steel in completing the task it was actually bred for. Anyway back to the sentance that I referred to. "The conventional eye accustomed to dull correctness , or in pursuit of sheer utility" How ever did correctness become to be considered "dull" There in a nutshell is the driving force that has morphed breeds of all species since the show scene began, the thing not in the standard, the seeking and awarding to the whatever displays a new fashion, be it longer coat, (too many breeds to name) bigger eyes, (ditto) shorter muzzle, (king Charles, pug, French bulldog; bulldog just name some) longer ears, (bassett) narrower head (red setter) What do you call the changes to the original German shepherd? From athletes to ? Once proud police dogs to not a one suitable for that job replaced by other not "improved " breeds. All our breeds evolved for a purpose. Show scene moves the goal posts and the respect of the people who want thir chosen breed fit for purpose. Another public relations fail.. Exaggeration is not "improvement" no matter how often repeated

When I bred cavaliers over a decade ago I heard people begin crying when I said I would sell them a puppy on main register. The rot has been going on for decade's treating puppy buyers as potential criminals is a major public perception disaster ANKC members vilify each other mercilessly , the ongoing toxicology did nothing positive towards either public or members respect for each other. When I joined in the 70's newbies were welcomed to the dog world family, encouraged to become members, to come to shows, mentored and encouraged. Once the change began in the 80's from welcoming to suspicion, IE...is this person an unethical puppy farmer we need purging from the ANKC to preserve our reputation? The switch began slowly but the speed gain had many beginning to question do I want to to be a member of this back stabbing group By 1999 the assumption breeder members were unethical puppy farmer's had even spread to the way staff at the office treated us at the desk, come in to report a litter registration was incorrect, ie long coat chi puppy/puppies registered as short coat, or vice versa, instantly told, your fault, filled out registration wrong, have to pay fine to correct registration, in one instance every pup in the litter,, so quite a hefty fine. As I had submitted it in writing I asked for my original litter registration form. Even after they fond it, still wanted to fine me, even though it was filled out stating long coat registration on front page. The excuse being l hadn't rewritten that on back of page under the names and chip no. Even though there is no box for that on on back page. No kidding. Get told the computer automatically register 's the puppies mother's coat length to them (mum was a smooth coat) Since the staff entered the details from the handwritten form how can the computer be "automatically" filling in their coat length? Only after appealing to the office secretary for what was obviously a staff error could this be corrected without me being fined. The disrespectful attitude and behaviour made any contact unpleasant. As for all the board we noticed the same suspicion attitude, breeder members possibly puppy farmer's. Many were so offended began considering resign, many did and still do. Around this time some decided to form another breed registration where members could feel respected not suspected and in 2007 the MDBA came into being. As for how breeders were treating the public wanting a pedigree pup was changing to suspicion instead of welcome... Public relations disaster in the making, getting the garden gnome so offside (until then an ANKC member and breeder himself) took the issue to the media where he went to recommending X breds as the far better choice. Been continuing downhill fall than slide ever since. As for the limit registration only dead end kennels being the only ethical and responsible by making sure none of their puppies could fall into the hands of a puppy farmer.... Intimating any who do sell on main aren't ethical.. Leading to mass sterilisation of baby puppies to be doubly sure couldn't happen hasn't been a PR winner

So you bought your pup from a dogzonline member? You have to be a ankc member here I'm sure. Well last I heard Doesn't make sense. Although these days we are all sitting ducks to be called puppy farmers anyway... No one is safe.. You must be inspected to ensure you conform to the POCTA legislation. Even if you had only one and it lives in the home with you. You MUST have a kennel and run, fence minimum 6 feet (they measure it to the inch.) Enclosed exercise area minimum 6 feet. Separate isolation/quarantine kennel and run. List of "staff" (will accept family members as staff) fire extinguisher. Evacuation plan. In event of flood or fire. Signage of your vet name and phone no Have I missed anything? So surely the blueprint of a puppy farm. No pass. No dogs... All tarred with same brush seems to me According to the rumour mill Victoria is introducing annual registration fees at double the previous amount. Said will be adopted by all states. Financial elimination of pet owners who cannot afford the increase..

I noticed in the abc competition muster dogs between kelpie and border collie pups that many didn't like the border collies as they preferred the kelpie initiative whereas border's liked to be micro managed. Plenty of unhappy acd owners there hasn't been an ACD version yet. Some of mine work chooks, goats and cattle for their owners

Just a pic of the vaccination? Major red flags Every puppy should have it's own certificate come with it and microchip paperwork The parents or the puppies to be dna'd

You are pretty much on your own those who like stumpys keep them many breed them hence so many available for assessment when the register was opened. Others like the cattledog, of course there are others like my friend who prefers the wirehaired stumpies. Just as if you visit Tarana near Bathurst almost. Every property has coolies, majority Merle they are so popular, the patch pattern Merle. The whole reason there are so many different breeds is so many people have different expectations of what they want in their dog

Hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Or the pending results so final

You would need to ask Hilton he knew the lines, too far back for me. Sadly he has passed. Ask dogs NSW if if they still have the book Hilton is mentioned in, it has lots of the early history of the breeders Why are you ignoring the very different physique of ACD v ASTCD? Also are you aware that breeding stumpy tail to stumpy tail parents Means two copies in a pup is lethal. Hence stumpy to tailed stumpy yields bigger live litters

Do you realise there are other stumpies, larger with wire coat. My friend has them, he bought from breeders in Qld n NSW. He calls them Smithfield's He has had them on and off for fifty years, always wire coated No one has applied to have them ANKC recognised He has never had a problem finding a replacement when he wants another when the old one dies Are U going to include them? Have existed parallel to the others Tony said