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As a pup he was always flat on his back with his fat stomach flopping out.... OH called him Fat Boy... then Fat Boy Slim - who's real name is Norman Cook.... and it just stuck!! Well... YOU DID ASK!! It sounds like your two are going great guns!! I'm glad they're enjoying it... mine are too. They are happy with a set of rules to follow and they all know where they stand, so to speak. The place training is the best thing I ever did, especially with the 2 girls when I want them together. They learn extremely fast and progress so quickly, it's fantastic

;) :D Well IMO a lesson with Steve, and getting the dogs sorted out, is basically "people therapy" anyway!! When you've been doing this :rofl: for so long, then someone comes along and does this .... well, yeh... just like therapy!!!

Hi BellasPerson, Thought I'd report in... started on Norman's recall today and he quickly turned into a "velcro dog" My new little shadow was hot on my heels... marched right into the toilet with me at one point Hmmmm So I think we'll just refresh recall tomorrow then start on sit! How are your two going?

Hmm yes she's rather blunt!! Every time I picked her up I got the whinge about her running away, not coming, every day the same carry on. I don't think she could believe it when she called the dog to the gate, and the dog actually CAME!! ETA: Good work on the diary... you'll love it when you read back in a few weeks time and see how far you've come!! (I know I do!)

Way to go Are you keeping a diary of their (and your!) progress? It's great to read back on!! We had our 3 in the kennels for a week at Christmas. Even though they didn't wear their collars there, the lady who runs the place - and bred my dogs - has known them for nearly 5 years, said she couldn't believe the massive change in my girl who used to run off and hide when it was time to come in from the yard... In her words "she actually bloody comes when you call her now" I was quite proud

I haven't read the rest of this thread but just wanted to say - MAKE THE APPOINTMENT WOULD YA?!?!! I see your location is Sydney...? Try Perth!!!!! THEN you have a distance problem HONESTLY, just do it - you will NOT regret it.

Well I'm about to join you in training the first 3 steps, as I've got a 3rd collar now for my male. So it's his turn to start learning what it's all about!

Hey BP... way to go!!! I have to grin about how amazed you are at them working on low stim and how fast they learn & progress - it's mind blowing really hey?! I just started place training yesterday, teaching them to go on their mat. In 1 session of about 10-15 minutes, each of them could turn and go away from me onto their mat, with stim on and the command ("mat"), from a distance of about 1.5-2 metres from the mat... and stay there while I walked out of sight!! E collars

Hi yep, will probably start a new thread if/when things are confirmed. At this rate there still needs to be a bit more interest though I'd say!! (Hint hint!!) The first one we had in Perth was on a weekend, 2 days Saturday & Sunday - so I'd think it would be the same this time

If this helps, I got my collars ages ago and did do initial work with fitting them, finding their working level, etc by following the manual and email/phone support from Steve.

*bump* And added StaffordsYo

No?! I don't remember reading about that - tell us?!!! So we're at the park the other day, Tinka and Norman were off lead. Norman has absolutely ZERO recall (his collar is on order!!) but it's a quiet evening, nobody around. I'm doing recall & SAAD with Tinka. Next thing he lets out this ear splitting YAP and takes off 1000 mph away from us (he'd seen another dog). Tinka goes WOOF count me in... well she got all of 2 steps I reckon. Stim SIT! And she sat, and watched Norm bolt away. Recalled her straight to me. Now that - was VERY very cool ;) Yep so far so good... haven't needed this yet OK I've chopped my head off, (nobody needs to see that!) - but I like this one. Very relaxed... glass of wine and everything!!

Thanks guys Yep just 3 short weeks (well, a little over 4 now and going strong!). But a lot of it was already in place after the first 3 DAYS, and then we just built on that. Ruthless my e collars gathered dust for a while too but now they're just gathering scratches and dirt from being very well worn!!! Here's some photographic evidence that my 3 JRT's can all be together. I look at these all the time and just grin

Hey BellasPerson... congrats on your investment I hope the postman is kind to you and delivers it soon so you can get started I've ordered another collar too - for my male. Since the girls are obedient now, he kinda reminds me of a free spirit hippie, away with the pixies, absolutely no recall, totally oblivious to us if there's a bird/dragon fly/lizard A bit infuriating really when the girls come & sit when they're told!! Our pool on backwash mode might be quite a good distraction to train under eventually... what do you reckon?

Yep cool - was going to PM you, but remembered you have my email address

StaceyB, Snarferama, Marica and ILoveFlatCoats… I have put you all on the list

hmm I'd better get practising... you too! will add you to the "Yes I'm Interested" list. If enough people are seriously interested then we can start working towards making it happen Yep... and all that will depend on how many people are interested so kind of a catch 22 at this stage! LOL

Great... well spread the word around Yep! I've got Jacks

Calling all "Perthies"... Who would be interested in another K9Force workshop??

deelee2 don't think (it's dangerous )... As my boss would say, apply the "JDI Formula"... that is... JUST DO IT!!! Seriously. Book a consult, go see Steve. JDI

pretty cool Al - it's a great feeling hey?? I'm into the whole "hey, come and watch this" thing too Poor Mark is up & down off the couch all the time, he'll just get settled and I'm saying "come and check THIS out!!"

Thanks everyone! It really is great. It's much more relaxed around here these days, that's for sure I'm enjoying putting the work in because it's so rewarding! They progress so quickly with e collar that it still blows me away.

It’s been ages since I posted here but I thought I’d share what I’m doing with my dogs at the moment through a Distance Training Package with K9force, “Advanced Training with the Remote Collar”… and the fantastic results we’re getting! (It's a bit of a novel but I've kept it as short as I can ) First a bit of background info… we have 3 Jack Russell Terriers; 2 bitches (1 sterilized) and 1 entire male. For the past couple of years we’ve gotten through day to day life by keeping the 2 girls totally separated, using crates, other areas of the house & garden, 1 inside, 1 outside with my male, etc, etc., due to fights between the girls (the kind that leave you with jelly legs and a vet bill! ). It started with the occasional fight and escalated over time until we couldn’t run them together at the park any more, I couldn’t walk them on lead together, one couldn’t even walk past the other in a crate without it being all on, snarling and carrying on, needing to be physically “removed” each time. No amount of calling them (or yelling - useless, but we did it anyway!) worked. At our wits end and not knowing what else to do, I made my mind up that the sterilized girl would have to be re-homed I’d even started contacting people and making enquiries. Then a friend suggested I just stop and think about this for a minute… and consider professional help to sort the problem out, using e collars. I was open to the suggestion and after a bit of research and talking to Steve at K9Force, I invested in e collars for both girls, and the manual, and committed myself to making this work. I believed everything I read and what Steve told me but still found it incredibly hard to believe that I’d be able to implement it with my 2 feral girls. How very wrong I was!! As we had no idea what we were doing or where to start, plus the situation with the dogs was pretty volatile and we had no control, we had Steve come to our house and observe us and the dogs in our general daily routine, get an understanding of what was going on and then advise what to do from there. Steve explained how our pack structure was… well… (my words not his,) all over the place! What structure?!! I thought I was in charge but in reality I was intimidated by the girls, nervous, reacting to them ALL the time. They had us darting around all over the place after them; they were in complete control! The girl who I perceived to be the trouble maker actually didn’t have any issue at all, but due to my lack of leadership, she’d taken that role upon herself… (A kind of “I’ll bash you up before you bash me, because she won’t stop you” scenario). It must have put her under huge pressure for so long. The instant I assumed the role of leader and started this work, the change in her was amazing. I’ve never seen her so submissive and relaxed. The other girl, who I viewed as the angel who never put a foot wrong, was actually the one with the issues (Yes I see NOW that I caused this!). She has been brought down a peg or ten. It was hard on her, and me, and she resisted at first but she clicked pretty quickly that to get any attention from me, she needed to tow the line. Steve started us off, and with both girls on lead he made them aware they weren’t in charge and couldn’t do as they pleased, coming between them if necessary. While he was doing this initial ground work with the girls, he was explaining the pack structure to us, what needed to change, how the collar work comes into everything, and so on. It was a lot to take in at first, and being nervous at the same time watching the girls so close together, but I had to learn to become the leader, stop being nervous, take control and have that same affect on my own dogs as Steve was having on them. With a training plan in place, we got started and to my amazement they had the same respect for me as they’d had for Steve They both went through the collar conditioning process and before I knew it, faster than I could imagine, I had 2 collar literate dogs. The basic obedience that they learnt in short sessions over a couple of days went to use around our home & garden straight away, where I already had the 2 girls together (the male removed from the equation at this point). We started off slowly, and gradually every day I’ve put the work in and we’ve progressed to where we are now; all 3 dogs running together under supervision. No cross ‘words’ or looks from the girls, their body language is completely relaxed. They both have a solid recall and sit under low distraction. One has her ‘sit at a distance’ (SAAD) solid with no distraction, the other girl has moved on to low distraction with great results. Today is 3 weeks since we started the work with them. Before, out on walks, I would walk 1 girl while my partner would walk the other girl and the male. I now walk both girls, he walks the male! Before, they ate dinner by me physically putting them in crates with their bowls and locking them in to eat. They now eat their dinner loose together side by side, after sitting and looking to me until I give the OK. Before, we would crate one girl and cover her up while the other one came inside, or carry one around and put her away from the other. Now, they sit obediently at the open door and look to me for instructions. That might be calling the other inside to be with us, calling 1 in and sending 1 out, or us all going outside. In hindsight, it’s easy to see that what we were doing was making the situation worse. But we didn’t know what else to do other than prevent a fight happening as best we could by separation. We might never trust them together alone unsupervised – but that doesn’t matter to me. What does matter is that our house is in order, things are calm and in control. And if we decide we want to take them away camping or just sit outside as a family, or any situation! all the dogs can be with us. Gone are the days we have to lock one away, or split up snarling matches every 5 minutes. E collars and K9 Force!!

Springer I just heard your tragic news. I'm so so so very sorry for your terrible loss. There are no words I can say that will help the hurt, just know that I'm thinking of you. RIP sweet Max...

exactly the same at my place I've had babies as young as 8-10 weeks sleep all night in their crate like this. They go to bed around 10-10.30pm and get up when I get up at about 7am week days and even up to 8am weekends.