Dogdragon

In this months DogsNSW mag Recently ANKC Ltd conducted a survey to ascertain the opinion of ANKC Ltd registered White Swiss Shepherd Dog owners in relation to ANKC Ltd accepting for registration Australian born White Swiss Shepherd Dogs registered with the White Swiss Shepherd Dog Club of Australia Inc A0043538A which complied with all the following conditions and would apply to litters born from 1st July 2017, with these dogs being eligible to participate in all relevant ANKC Ltd disciplines: - 1.1 There are a minimum of 3 generations of White Swiss Shepherd Dogs only; 1.2 White Swiss Shepherd Dogs cannot be mated to White German Shepherd Dogs; 1.3 A White Swiss Shepherd Dog cannot be accepted if within 3 generations there was a White German Shepherd Dog used after 1 January 2005; 1.4 White German Shepherd Dogs or White Coloured German Shepherd Dogs cannot be used or re-registered as a White Swiss Shepherd Dog. In order to accept the Australian bred White Swiss Shepherd Dogs into the ANKC Ltd Database Registry, the conditions (as stated above) had to be met. A majority of registered owners within the breed and responding to the survey had to be in favour before approval would be given by ANKC Ltd for this to proceed. The response received from owners has indicated an overwhelming rejection of this recommendation. In view of this no action will be taken to implement the recommendation at this stage and the ANKC Ltd Board will discuss the results of this survey at a future meeting.

I am not sure if Moama is in the Central Division or the Western Division of NSW – hard to say, looks border line but these are the rules on the 3 divisions of the state regarding working dog, assuming Buddy was a working dog. http://workingdogalliance.com.au/resources/legislation/nsw/ It goes on to say So I think you might be right Juice. A dangerous dog classification. I read somewhere on msn that the property backs onto the river so don't think there were any fences along the river.

Hi PANDI-GIRL, This is for 3 large dogs. Yes it is a lot of effort but it’s only done once every 2 weeks so worth doing. My vet helped with the dietary requirements of this formula. I prefer to feed my dog’s natural foods rather than the processed foods you buy today although I do give them some. I used to work for a company that imported rice from overseas into Australia for animal foods. The rice was pumped directly into a large shipping container and loaded onto ships. The quarantine process when it reached Australian wharfs was to send them directly for fumigating……….. I have been doing this ever since….

Yeah Finh looks like a nice boy!

I have had Rotties for 20+ years. Both male and female are excellent family dogs as well as being very protective of their family. I am able to have people come and go with them always being friendly and happy to bother people for pats but at the same time if someone raised their voice or hand to me they would defend. You don't need to train Rottweilers for guard or personal protection, they do this naturally when they feel a part of the family (like most dogs). Due to their size and natural wrestling ability it is very important to give them training. If you are not going to have them as one of the family and only as a yard dog then the Rottweiler is probably the wrong choice. They are large dogs and if untrained. a handful so 2 very important aspects to keeping one for me is 1. training and 2. ensuring they are very much a part of the family. I had one Rottie (male) who would jump between my husband and myself and growl when every we raise our voices at each other. My 8 month old is now larger than my 14 month. They are both still very much fun loving puppies but have no doubt that they would both protect me if someone threated or attacked. I personally fell in love with this breed with my first boy. They are one of the few dogs that German Police use females for due to both sexes having great wrestling ability.

I have an 8 month old Rottie who is still on supercoat puppy but seems to prefer the “big dog” food to the supercoat puppy. He will be having the supercoat until he is 12 months but does get some of what I feed our “big dogs” For the past 10 years I have fed my big dogs the following mixture In a garbage bin I empty: 1 bag of pasta (normal size bag you would buy for the family from the supermarket) 2 bags of pearl barley 2 bags of quick oats 1 bag of lentils 1 bag of linseed Add cold water to cover the contents and soak for at least 4 hours __________________________________________________________ drain off any excess water Add 20 kg of roo meat Mix well, bag and freeze into 13 portions plus the one for that day (14) feeds them all (3) for 2 weeks This mix is then taken out of the freezer each morning to thaw. __________________________________________________________ Add to the thawed mix 1 cup of boiled rice 4 juiced carrots with pulp or roasted pumpkin and any other vegetables on hand, like tomatos, broccoli – whatever we have. Then add 2 – 3 chicken necks for each dog __________________________________________________________ They get this at around 2 in the afternoon. First thing in the morning they get a dry biscuit. Once a fortnight they get half a marrowbone each to chew on for around 5 hours for their teeth and they suck out the marrow then I pick them up and toss them. Plus other treats…..

Thanks everyone - all great advice. Showdog, I have had dogs for 20+years and never used heartworm treatment. This is a first for me. In that time we have never had a case of it. The only reason I am using it now is that its been quite hot here lately (like everywhere) and I don't want to tempt fate. Having said that I think that after learning a little more about it over the last few days I will probably go with the oral meds. Makes sense that vets would encourage the option that brings you back to the clinic.....Much appreciated everyone!

thankyou both for your replies. the product I purchased (and haven't used yet) is Milbemax Allwormer For Dogs Over 5kg 2 Tablets . The active ingredients are 12.5mg milbemycin oxime (dose range 0.5-2.5mg/kg) and 125mg praziquantel (dose range 5-25mg/kg) During my search on the internet to see if its safe to use with proheart I have read a lot on the issue of using yearly heartworm protection - mostly negative. The poster at my vet says in the majority of dogs presenting with heartworm it is those on monthly treatment. The poster is the "not on my watch" poster. What views do you have on this? Combining the two appears to be safe in reverse ie you can switch to the yearly at any time from monthly but doesn't say anything about the other way around. There doesn't seem to be any warnings at all on overdose. Sorry I edited this because when I posted it I was in a rush and later read it back and did not make any sense. I do genuinely want your vies on both the yearly injection issue and the combination of milbermax and the yearly injection. Just for the record, I am inclined not to use the yearly injection due to all the negative remarks about it but would like a little more info about it.

Hi all, Last week I had one of my Rotties down the vet for his yearly heartworm injections. He is due for worming also, so today I went and got some worming tablets. After buying them and getting home I read on the pamphlet inside that it also does monthly heartworm. My question is am I able to use this product for worming since he has already had his yearly heartworm injection? Will it be too much?

Hi all, my little Chihuahua Kate is 14 years old. Yesterday she started having these spasms when she eats or drinks. Its like her teeth are chattering. I first thought it could be her back teeth that are causing a problem but it seems like spasms. Just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this or knows what it could be. I have her booked in to see her vet on Thursday.

Biased? How is it biased? Sorry? Please explain this? Yes, you read that correct. lacing comments with insults is not using is a discussion, how about putting forward your arguments against it instead of simply saying…….nuts. Sorry, should have elaborated…….limit the number of litters a bitch can have…..Isnt the reasons for this obvious? So are you fine with letting a bitch have as many litters in her life as she is capable of? Of course you are not. Great! Glad we agree on something. Not sure what you mean by integral to my argument? You are the one who wants to focus on reducing shelter numbers and increasing registration numbers. That’s ok but I also view the issue of licensing an issue of protecting the animals rights and as stated a host of other spinoffs from that. Would not stop people taking their dog to the vets if that’s what you’re saying. Doctors requirements to report does not stop people taking their children to the doctors vets (like doctors) don’t have to agree.

My apologies Steve, I didn’t mean to add Steve wrote there.(fixed) Actually this statement is posted on the DogsNSW site. Meant to post the link but forgot. http://www.dogsnsw.org.au/resources/media/849-inquiry-into-companion-animal-breeding-practices.html So what I am saying is that when the debate of licensing first came up, it was opposed with the argument put forward being "our members are already licensed". As stated also on the Dog NSW site. Seems to me that there is some common ground in licensing of non registered breeders by this statement on that same page……. This can only be done by legislation and I am saying licensing. I am also saying that you cant have one group of breeders following one state legislation and another (registered breeders) exempt from that…..As I said, some of these registered breeders are also puppy mills. If all breeders had to be licensed (by government) then those dog owners who wanted to breed pedigree (papered) dogs would need to first hold prefix’s effectively increasing the registered breeder numbers. Same page same link – Dogs NSW said this as the statement infers. When I say you cant have it both ways…….I am not saying you personally I am saying the idea of separate rules for different groups. There has to be some common ground here. If you want more members who hold the same philosophical POV then you either market for it or encourage people to that way of thinking by legislation. It really is a fine line between the carrot and the stick…..If the carrot doesn't work then the stick needs to be applied in a manner where its not too constrictive. Do you know what I mean by the carrot and the stick?

Well, first of all, says who? When the debate of licensing first came up, it was opposed by various state canine associations with the argument being “our members are already licensed”. True, but, it would seem that there is some common ground in the licensing of non registered breeders……. So couple of issues here:- First, whilst Dogs NSW breeders (and this applies nationwide) are in a sense licensed and have a requirement to adhere to a code of ethics, the fact is that there are no monetary or criminal penalties for non compliance. Second, is there a suggestion that there is one law for part of the dog breeding industry and exemptions for others? Doesn’t make any good sense. The reality is Steve, some of these registered breeders of purebred dogs are in fact puppy mills……Are we suggesting that we ignore these with exemptions? Exactly! Whenever any sort of license is required there are standards and regulations that apply. We don’t simply issue a piece of paper to anyone who wants to breed…..Its not about numbers, its about animal welfare and reducing the numbers in pounds/shelters…..Its never going to be zero its only ever going to be at best reduced. The same codes and standards would apply to all breeders. Dogs NSW have already expressed this sentiment. You cant have it both ways…….There has to be some common ground here. If you want more members who hold the same philosophical POV then you either market for it or encourage people to that way of thinking by legislation. It really is a fine line between the carrot and the stick…..If the carrot doesn’t work then the stick needs to be applied in a manner where its not to constrictive. Actually it is Steve, a license would require the breeder to • Adhere to a code of ethics and a breeding standard similar to that of Dogs NSW and the requirement for owners of dogs issued with papers that are to be bred to hold prefix’s before license issue. • Limit the number of licenses issued?? • Limit the number of litters a bitch can have • Increasing the space of confinement • The requirement for vets to report • Etc etc There is scope for more control over the way dogs are treated. The ability to glean data on a host of issues surrounding the entire industry nation wide helping us better the treatment of animals and reduce shelter/pound number further. There would also be added benefits in other areas such as control on taxation/income plus more.

Well I think licensing will bring the breeder one step closer to that. If you want a breeders licence and your dog has papers then you need to be a registered breeder with your state body.

Whether you realise it or not, by placing a deposit on this pup you have entered into a legally binding contract. A contract does not have to be in writing, it only has to be accepted under the law. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/consumers/contracts.page The seller holds the high ground here.

Seriously Steve, my view is it has to be through licensing. If you don’t legislate this then people will always take the path of least resistance. The ACT has already done it and the rest of the country needs to. http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/2000-86/current/pdf/2000-86.pdf Well I agree that desexing is not the silver bullet to a so called over population issue because there isnt one. I am personally with you in that for me, as a responsible dog owner, desexing is not my preferred option however, I do feel that the desexing program is a good even omitting the issue of overpopulation. There are large social issues involved in undesexed dogs……Do I need to go there? Happy to if need be but ……..isnt it obvious? I agree that there needs to be some sort of system where by responsible dog owners are not penalized for having undesexed dogs. Hell some mothers cant even supervise their childred, excuse, they are so fast, you only have to take your eyes off them for a moment.........my dogs have never escaped my control.....

Well, first of all we don’t know that, all we know is that they are there(in shelters). We have not and can not collect those stats? Lets go over this statement. Underground breeders? I assume you are referring to puppy mills? These are not illegal unless of course they are “cruel” to the animal so how can you call them underground? Really? Anything we market is based on supply and demand. If the demand is there then supply will fill that demand – this goes for puppies too. …..Lets look at this so called overpopulation of dogs. How do we measure this? and how can you prove that an overpopulation of dogs is what causes the dogs in shelters? Where are your stats on this? We rarely see puppies in shelters and when we do they are snapped up fairly quickly. What causes dogs in shelters is quite simple – irresponsible dog owners. Why would they, when there is absolutely nothing in it for them? They can breed all the dogs they want – the demand is there for cheap dogs and the breeding process for them is lower costs opposed to becoming a registered breeder. Assuming of course they are breeding pure bred dogs, that in itself poses problems for the registration process. How would you go about this under the current registration process? Big changes there…….Only way I can see is state government licensing for all breeders no matter what type of dog you’re breeding. Absolutely agree 100% it’s the path taken we disagree on.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/south-east/oscars-law-demands-action-on-dogs-chained-at-blind-bight-property/news-story/160abf0bf118b3f00d411ad371d81e11 ETA: mmmm hope its ok the post this link

Its up to the breeder to decide whether the papers are issued as main or limited. The breeder is required to follow the code of ethics that relates to that state. The fact these people did not receive any papers is suspicious if they are a registered breeder. Papers are required from all registered breeders regardless of pet quality or show quality

Having the pup for 2 weeks would be for me, long enough to not want to send it back no matter what was wrong with it……..The longer you have it the more difficult it is to send it back. In any event you really need exhaust your legal options. The Office of Fair Trade is your first stop. https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/fair-trading-services-programs-and-resources/fair-trading-latest-news/media-statements/gympie-breeder-gone-to-the-dogs/ ETA: The breeder may not be registered despite being registered as a member here.

The decision to become a breeder is not something you do lightly to my mind. You are required to educate yourself and that education includes the basic requirement of understanding the process of the application….Not sure what the point is…..I assume it’s too hard to do that for some. Hope I am not coming across too abrupt but that's the way I see it......not very good on tact.... @ asal: thanks - if we look at the dog numbers produced by registered breeders (where we know that most of them will be registered) and the dog numbers coming from 'underground' breeders I think it might be justified to contemplate whether it is possible to change the ratio and whether there are options for improvements... @dogdragon: I guess on the one side there are breeders who doing it only for money and on the other side there are the ones who put pride into what they doing....and there are many between... Point?

lol, :laugh: well I was saying that maybe that's what asal thinks.....its too hard what with all the legislation surrounding it. Didn't mean to quote you

i'm not in NSW but it states quite clearly on the membership form that Associate members can not apply for a prefix. And you need to be a member for 12 months. I don't think it is particularly hard to become a ANKC breeder. http://www.dogsnsw.org.au/breeding/how-to-become-a-breeder.html

The decision to become a breeder is not something you do lightly to my mind. You are required to educate yourself and that education includes the basic requirement of understanding the process of the application….Not sure what the point is…..I assume it’s too hard to do that for some. Hope I am not coming across too abrupt but that's the way I see it......not very good on tact....

I wasn’t ever suggesting they were. My view of this issue is in relation to several pieces of legislation, not just The Companion Animals Act of NSW. Absolutely nothing is absolute. Same argument for Education programs alone yeah? In NSW,…..it’s a start but not the end result. Yes for the moment…….Its a WIP http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/content/agriculture/livestock/animal-welfare/general/cabs Education programs facilitating legislative changes.