Cosmolo

What is the procedure if an MDBA member does something wrong? Is it similar/ the same to the ANKC procedures?

It is a minefield for many puppy buyers to find a good breeder, i think the MDBA could be helpful. Steve are you able to explain the key differences between the ANKC COE and the MDBA COE? Or can we start another thread for this discussion if more appropriate?

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Cute little one!

Wow AD- what a super star!! Gorgeous

Thought i might join in now that i have a phone that takes good video

This is Cosmo from this morning after a month without training, pretty happy with the weaves. We don't trial or intend to (although Cos did a couple of club trials a few years ago) so this is just for fun.

Here we go. Videos are great aren't they? I have only just started making use of my new camera phone and it really shows up every error- dog training and horse riding, lol!

Comments welcome- i know my shoulder is back too far (i hope smoothie girl doesn't see this- i pick on her about hers all the time ) and there are a few other issues. Keep in mind, we don't trial and don't intend to. :D

But its also about time suitability to get another dog. I waited little over 6 months for our last dog. It would have been difficult to wait much longer as the ages of our other dogs were a key factor in terms of when we wanted another dog. Other people have other factors- age of their kids, living situation etc. While i don't agree with the "i want it now' attitude, i think longer than 6 months is going to be pushing it for most people.

Yep, i will put it up- i just have to download it first You will have to excuse his turns and one of his drops though, he has HD and ED so i tend to be a little lenient and he'd already had a run before i remembered to grab the phone! See- even pro trainers make excuses for their dogs

Yep that answers it Rubystar- so trialling or not wouldn't make a difference to how you train, thats what i was curious about. :D

The reason why i was wondering if trialling makes a difference for some is because you do have to string a number of things together rather than rewarding each one (as you can't reward in the ring) and so i wondered whether this would change for you if you didn't trial and could therefore stay at a level where you reward more frequently in between exercises rather than chaining them together. Does that make any sense? ;)

I have 2 dogs the same as Rubystar and TSD so i know what you guys are talking about! Both have great skills but Dexter is so much easier to motivate- touch him and he turns inside out. Touch Cosmo when training and she hates it. ;) Only disadvantage of Dexter loving touch is that sometimes he seeks it a little too actively- i took a vid today of his first training session since before Xmas and he bounces right into my leg (he is nearly 40kg!) when i am rewarding him at one point- ouch!!!

Its not totally different Mum to Emma- to the dog.

Remember these dogs were out unsupervised- dogs will behave differently under these circumstances, even yours.

Can i ask a question to all of you who trial- I am just curious. :D

If you didn't trial, but trained all the exercises- would you phase out rewards/ change delivery of the reward to the extent that you do now? Or would you be happy to keep rewarding throughout a workout etc?

I want a Springer!!! She certainly lives up to her breed name doesn't she TSD?! What a beautiful girl with a great attitude!

What exactly does killing the dogs achieve/ resolve? Does it make people feel safer? If so, its a false economy because there is NOTHING being done to prevent another attack from occurring.

I agree Malamum- dogs can't possibly understand morals etc- thats why dogs have owners to (in theory) be responsible for them.

Asal- impossible to say what the dogs intentions were with certainty but regardless of whether its play based behaviour or not, it could certainly escalate and i wouldn't be wanting to place people in uncontrolled situations with a dog who was exhibiting such behaviours.

Thanks Jules, found some and then found some on ebay too. The cheapest so far is around the $100 mark

http://www.cleanrun.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...p;ParentCat=400 Does anyone know where to get something similar in Aus?

I don't really understand it to be honest. Its looks a bit like a horse walker except i don't get the boxes and food bowls and that the dogs are going off so much..

Sorry i wasn't clear- i was referring specifically to resource guarding, not just 'lower ranked dogs biting'.

I didn't think Aidan insinuated that at all.

But i agree with him with regards to lower ranking dogs resource guarding and conditioning being a likely explanation with regards to alot of good behaviour with children and dogs as opposed to pack structure.

Pack structure is fluid and can be resource dependent. It is absolutely possible to have a lower ranked dog bite a child because at that moment the resource in question meant more to the dog than anything else.

Would like suggestions for a forest-y type reserve/ park/ walking track with a picnic area in the south east of Melbourne. Doesn't have to be an off lead area if it has some interesting on lead walks to explore. Recommendations welcome!

I wish people understood things like bite inhibition, prey drive objects and triggers, prey drive thresholds and physiological response to prey drive, the effect of stress on behaviour etc. Would make these discussions a whole lot easier and more productive.

When comments are made along the lines of 'dogs being dogs'- it does NOT excuse the behaviour. But it also removes dogs such as these from the relms of uncontrollable, unpredictable, savage, wild etc and brings them back to what they are- dogs with genetics, drives and thresholds like every other dog in the world.

I find it very interesting that some of the people who are very outspoken with regards to retaining traditional physical traits of various dogs, speak to eliminating traditional physiological and temperament related traits of dogs. Its such a paradox.

The sooner we start accepting that it is normal for dogs to have prey drive, defence drive etc- the sooner we can start talking about how to socialise and train in a way that appropriately keeps such things maintained in a socially acceptable way. Dogs are not robots and we shouldn't be trying to make them into one!

We regularly take natural traits in a dog and mould them to our liking- house training, stopping mounting, mouthing etc. Its the fact that people expect dogs to show no aggression ever that leads to no discussion regarding the moulding of dogs drives (because of course "my dog would never do that") and subsequent lack of understanding when a dogs instinctual drive results in a very unfavourable AND devastating situation .

It is very possible for a dog to behave unpredictably and extremely different to usual when placed in circumstances the dog has never been placed in! None of you can guarantee that your dogs would not behave in a different way when out unattended and unsupervised.

Where is this other forum..?

Sorry everyone who has a dog whose time is near. I dread the day that i lose any of mine

Gosh, if thats the case wouldn't you just be livid at the council. I know many dogs who could get into the same situation in the event they got out of their yards without their owners.