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if mum was a kelpie dad was definately some amstaff/pigdog look at the head and the body remember there are tri coloured staffs and kelpies, just because a dog is black and tan doesnt mean theres rottie or shepherd in it.

Report it, AFAIK it's illegal to walk a dog like that

I think its just stayed too wet and hence the look. I would put betadine on it and leave it open, wipe something like vapourub on the leg close to it to stop him licking it wounds like that I wouldnt put dressings on, they need to dry out in the air. Looks like he has run into something, do you have any metal or polypipe sticking out anywhere? If the leg's not swollen by now and he's not running a temperature by now he 99.9% wont

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corvus what is your experience with aggression? You seem to be basing your assumptions that the correction is the only thing I use it seems. No its not. It's an extra tool. Also, since you are not a dog I dont see the point of adding an anthropomorphised example into this mix, do you? Have you never seen self correction. Where a dog stops itself exhibiting then through what it has been taught, looks up at the owner instead? Guess what happens off lead too even with the 'punisher' not present - ie no collar on the dog at all - if you've done the training correctly. But then that goes with everything doesnt it ... some peoples dogs wont listen unless you have their favourite food in your hand, bad training on that behalf too. Some people seem to want to treat dogs like idiots. They are capable of learning decent amounts in a short space of time. If we can teach the dog in a shorter space of time with a different method whats the problem with that? ANd your point is correct Aiden. I'm not saying corrections are for all dogs either, sometimes simply rewarding the better choice is the right thing for that particular dog. But as we both know it's horses for courses when it comes to training you do whats right for the individual. As I said Cesar does what he does and it works for him. If people want to see it as kicking and abuse, well some will never be swayed.

not every dog has the luxury of this. Many owners want to see safety or it's a one way trip to the vet. Dog behaviour is not always going to be warm and fuzzy. You do what you have to do to make the dog safe, yes it may be confused for the first time but you show it the right way to remove that confusion.

I need to buy more frames You need to take a few tickets off yourself - no sarcasm has been clear at all just your elitist little attitude creeping through and oh how common that is amongst people who cloister themselves in universities for so long. I had the choice to take university further but I dont want to. That is the difference. I find what I do more valuable then dry uni work. Maybe I'm just too free thinking to fit in the uni box, parrot learning isnt my thing. How about we both go out, take the average joe's dog and give them a training demo. Let's see who they prefer, the 'trainer' or the 'doctor'. Actually let's see who they understand full stop. But Kelpi do you not realise her dogs are the epitomy of all that is dog and all the experience through them is equivalent to working with a reasonably chunk of the canine population? My OH wants to be a dog trainer too. It's fascinating him and now he's helping with dog classes he has really become inspired. So we're getting him a high end dog and he can learn from the best with his best buddy at his side. When he titles the dog we will see he has truely understood what we have all taught him. The man already has 3 degrees, he's not an idiot and he's truely capable of learning but in a more hands on setting. And I can tell you Corvus he already has a more human approach to helping people at dog club then those who have done pure theory. We handed him a HA/DA rottie the other day it sat there leaning against his leg wagging its tail, looking up at him with tongue lolling about like 'I wuv you' ... that man has the special touch

one wont kill him, he's probably feeling woozy from the tablet or he had an empty stomach. My rottie gets them, up to 2 a day.

Because when you correct effectively (and I'm not saying this is the only thing you do you still have to gradually proof the dog and set up for wins) you introduce an extra element of safety in the way that when the dog has to make a decision in its reaction it will think 'if I do lunge out it's really unpleasant, but if I stay with my handler I know it's really awesome!". If you avoid all correction what recourse does the dog have for exhibiting the dangerous behaviour? None. When that same dog who has not been corrected one day feels sick or sore, and it's threshold for reacting plummets down what extra little safety net have you instilled to prevent it blowing up again like it did before? None. Cross the line, wherever that may be with that dog today, and get the bite. In fact I see corrections make dogs think twice about exhibiting the response and actually self correcting themselves. I have a few DA dogs that have totally turned around because of them, they still vocalise normally in dog club when running around in the group but they wont take it that extra level anymore. All it takes is one word and they ramp down their behaviour because they remember the correction. As for CM using his foot, why would he bend down? The point is surprise, the dog will notice you bending over whereas you can quickly nip it in the butt with your foot And being hit in the inguinal region, my dogue was rolled over on his back, 3 small children were all over him. One gave him a cracker of a slap on the stomach he didnt flinch. Considering a swift kick to the actual stomach will have you doubled over literally, which none of these dogs are, I think we're over reaching on the estimations. Corvus that Malamute he guessed had some wolf in it because of some behaviours it exhibited being more wolf then domestic dog.

considering a TV show is going to be based on best TV viewing, hence the most reactive animals and 'exciting' clients can you whole heartedly say he would do to that level with every dog he came across? If he actually kicked a dog and it hurt, i'm sure you've seen a dog in pain before, you'd hear about it. Considering the dogs in those videos are already in an extremely hightened state what reaction are you expecting from a surprise? I've seen video of that malamute a million times and the bit most of the 'OMG LOOK AT THE ABUSE' videos fail to show is how torn up the owner have been by that dog. That dog wasnt choked until it was blue, it had pressure applied until it made the decision to get over its tantrum. The second 'kick' it gets while staring down the border collie is redirection onto the handler - which is probably the more major problem he came to fix with that dog. As for that AmBull with the scrubbing brush, I havn't seen the episode so I dont know in what context he flanked the dog to that degree. There's full stringing up then there's applying pressure. Thats what his Illusion Collars are about, you are not meant to correct the dog like you would with a chain you simply apply sustained pressure to the dog until the excitement level decreases, then you reward in that state. I use methods like that on some animals, epecially extremely reactive or aggressive reaction animals with a lot of success. If they redirect then you can lift the leash and let the dog decide what it prefers, taking a chunk out of my leg or breathing. Either way heavy rewarding will always be part of my training no matter what I do. Cesars 'kick' method aint my thing. If it works for him and it's not causing harm good luck to him. I dont think that makes him a bad person considering the types of dogs he deals with. Easy for a lot of us to sit back and cast stones when most have not dealt with dogs of that level.

wow. I am so framing a screen shot of this.

yes people see what they want to see. I can see in a couple of those he flanks the dogs to elicit a response and correct it - something positive people dont do. Set up for failure - sometimes you have to do this in order to help a dog. You cannot just avoid all responses and train that way, then say the dog is 100% trustworthy in all cases. Its not possible for all dogs some need to learn from their failures. As for stringing up, it avoids the handler being bitten and will calm a dog if done properly. If a dog flips its lid and you tighten the collar soon the brain goes 'OH HELL!' and focus falls from the target back to itself. DD collars are for similar things. It's based on removal of the punisher when the dog calms down, yes it works very well for some animals. Cesars methods are confrontational and does set up the dog to lose in some cases initially in order to 1) experience the behaviour and 2) show the animal the consequence for exhibiting this behaviour then shows the alternative. Not everyones cup of tea, if you dont like how he does it dont watch it. But to call it abuse is a load of BS.

I said the average dog owner corvus. They want enough information to inderstand what they're doing and if they ask a question of course I am happy to discuss it. But most of them just want enough info to get the job done. And frankly why should they need more if you're a good trainer and their dog has no remarkable behaviours.

The average dog owner is not interested. It's like saying you've bought a car here we're going to have to make you a mechanic now. They just want their dogs to learn quickly, themselves learn the basics and life to be happy. Remember if they were interested in any more they would be doing a dog trainers course. The faster people learn that the less frustrated they will be with others. There's more to life then regurgitating a text book to others, and that takes a hell of a lot more skill to do.

I agree with Meh ... may be a great bitch but the dog over her might mean the litters a bit average. I share you're conundrum ... and I failed greatly LOL

oh FFS What about importing semen then? It's going to get to the state they poke the little guys with a needle and if they fight back declare that dangerous too? So moving overseas when I can. This country is losing the plot.

OK the breeder lied ... but the bitches new scores are nothing that earth shaking in comparison. I KNOW for the OP there is some stress because of the previous dog. And yes, I am in the same boat after losing my last german shepherd to the fact his hip fell out of the socket, and I had to euthanise him on his second birthday. I wont get another because it plays on me and I dont want the same thing to happen again, it was extremely traumatic to me as the GSD was my favourite breed and he was a very special dog. But saying that, we now have a severe HD/ED rottie. Now I spent enough time crying, worrrying, stressing and suffering ulcers over Diesels condition. Eventually I just sat down and went, you know what ... I'm going to have fun with the dog, we're going to have an awesome time together if its another 10 months or 10 years. And we do. He got his therapy dog certification, he loves going for drives, his pain is managed naturally. He's a big goober of a dog who pulls faces, makes people laugh and herds guests for a pat and a cuddle. If we kept worrying and fiddle faddling we would miss all of that. Like I said, you can keep worrying about the what ifs, or you can enjoy the dog and make the best of it.

in many cases - no. Not necessary. In some cases, and they are few, it can be useful in the long term for the dog to exhibit and be punished for the behaviour. Especially in some cases where you are dealing with dangerous behaviours. Saying that is must ALWAYS be followed up by showing the dog the alternative behaviour and reinforcement of the correct behaviour must outnumber the punishment greatly. I would not trust, say, a HA dog that has not learned putting teeth on humans is bad and that alternative behaviour X is super duper awesome! Avoiding the issue is not always the best way and in most cases a little stress wont hurt any dog. Saying that pushing a dog to make yourself look like a hero is effing stupid and down to pure ego. As for Cesar and positive reinforcement, we're so conditioned to think that positive reinforcement means lavish application of food, toys or attention. Canines are the masters of subtlety, we're the clumbsy lumbering creatures comparably. Just because some people dont carry a belt full of varoius paraphenalia doesnt mean they are not applying some reinforcement.

penn hip on a dog this young is useless and yes, most vets will say it needs surgery (I worked for a PennHipp vet ... he loved his money by the way) as the joints and bones are still forming. If there is nothing wrong with the puppy dont go looking for it. You're obsessing over nothing if the pup is not limping or walking sideways all the time. If it's going to cause you that much stress just return the pup and get a refund. This dogs hip scores are in double figures for each hip (actually they probably are close to hitting the cap) he's going to be 4 in August and still gets about. In fact he decided to jump on me to wake me this morning at almost 50kg. It's not the end of the world because mum didnt have a perfect hip score. Two of my dogs I dont have complete hip scores for and they've turned out fine. Life's a gamble no matter what you do, you can either let it eat you or just get on with it and enjoy it.

Similar or the same? If its not the same then the point it not valid. And in some cases how do we teach the dog that if it does react in that manner there is a consequence to it, hence it should stop reacting like that? You cannot simply work through totally avoiding the dog reacting forever. Sometimes we have to push the envelope and get the dog to react then teach it when it does. ETA by the way has anyone ever watched how dogs fix each others behavioural problems? No treat pouches or prey toys there is there. It's listen to the head honcho dogs or get a flogging when you push the point. Bad manners dogs are instantly pinned and warned, then sent scampering off to think about it. I'm not saying we have to be mean, but dogs are physical creatures. It's part of how they interact with each other. Why we're frightened of touching our dogs these days is insane.

... and mostly because teaching a lot of people that standing on one leg to lift the other and tap the dog while holding the leash, watching the dog and having a reward ready takes longer then anything else

you need to condition them to small periods of separation. Have one inside, one outside with a bone chewing away happily, then when they're quiet you can swap, one inside for attention the other out to chew their own bone. Do this gradually more and more you will be helping them learn to cope.

Potter Chiropractic in Werribee, they do dogs a couple of days a week

did you read the Leerburg articles? He has puppy recipes in there too The supplier who has the small tins will have the bulk packs, the vets will have no probs getting them either.

somtimes when you want to fix a do you have to let it exhibit the reaction so it can learn what to do to handle that level. It's not always a huggy-fluffy thing to deal with or see but its either that or send them on a one way trip to the vet. As for kicking in the inguinal reagion ... come on. Using your foot to knock a dog so you can properly utilise your hands is not a mean thing. In fact some of my training clients use a similar thing but dont lift their foot, they bump with the leg. A sharp poke, prod, tap etc can help break a dogs concentration and stop that staring that so many dogs are intent on. Considering what most dogs can physically take at that level I think many people are talking poo when they say the pain of a kick is causing the dog to break concentration Sure thing. Next time you're down my way I'll hand you a bag of treats and a leash attached to the flat collar of a couple of particular dogs. Go for your life. We'll be watching from the other side of a 6 foot chain mesh fence while you show trainers with years of experience in aggressive dogs how to deal with it in a hands off fashion. I take great offence that you think I'm on a power trip because my OH and I love Cesar Milan. A person that will take dogs that most others will write off as unfixable and put the effort in or hell, take them on for himself, retrain or provide a permanent home for is not a bad person. So many people talk the talk against Cesar Milan, I am yet to see any of them take extreme dogs and show a better method that simply works hands off and can decrease the dogs reaction threshold in a reasonable time frame. ALL dogs require rewards. All of them. Learning will not occur if there is no reward component, any trainer will tell you that. Punishments for some animals are necessary to tighten behaviour or ensure the dog becomes a safe individual in society.