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Remember the poor person in the bite suite! can you imagine a 70kg mastiff hurtling towards you, grabbing your arm and following through with some great head shakes? I wouldnt think there would be much left of that shoulder! My 25kg Mal can knock over a 100kg person easily and her bites have left marks through some softer sleeves (gone to work with some great munchy marks at times up my arm). The point of protection is to protect and (well in some cases ) not to permanently maime the aggressor. Also, some breeds have it in their nature to not let go or to 'bring down' per say which can be dangerous in a sporting context. Even a Black Russian Terrier would make a formidable protection dog at its size let alone something with an even stronger jaw. Some clubs can simply have the snobbery factory where they want to keep it exclusive to the breeds such as Mal, GSD, Rottie, Dobe, etc but some are also thinking about liability and wether they (or the dogs owner) can handle a massive animal trained to protect.

lol yeah theyre smart buggers ... mine is not allowed on the square of carpet that is my living room. I taught her she cant touch carpet so you shoudl see her come to a skidding halt at the edge :D although she's worked around my OH, she simply commando crawls onto the carpet and then *suprise* pops up next to him. Oh how did I get here daddy? better stay and keep you company then cheeky buggers

Come on Ashley you know you want too ... I'm gonna set up early, I think an esky is in order. I'm bringing a large umbrella so if someone wants a shady spot hop over and set up camp with up. I'll bring Skoot too for a show off (thats gonna be one crammed cae) but I dont think he's gonna be doing any running ... or probably moving ... lazy bum :D He'll let big sister run for him

as per the RRCV website: Feb 12 Breed Comp 2-3pm Lure Coursing 4-7pm April 2 Lure Coursing July 16 Breed Comp/Lure Coursing (to be confirmed) I'm going to be going again to the Feb 12th weather permitting Last time I got there really early and they started selling the other breed run tickets pretty much after they made sure the RRs had theirs. Worth getting there before 4pm, i'm gonna try and weedle an umbrella and make a couple of dog tie stakes like the ridgies had. Fabulous idea as mine hates crates.

some of her more destructive tendancies are just in her. She could be asleep, but you put a box of tissues on the floor near her and her radar snaps her awake and she starts pulling them out one by one. For her destruction is a hobby. She's really just into cloth, plastic bags and paper as a novelty. Plus, being a rather highly strung breed it lets her anxiety out. On the way to lure coarsing she was wrestling a sleeve in the back of the wagon the whole way there just her thang That and their instinct to guard keeps her pacing up and down the fence if someone is there. That and Nanna Kyra gave her whining, so whenever she is under stress she will whine. Now thats why people call them Malinuts We're getting a friend next week so she'll have another boof head to herd all day long

could it be a pom thing? Mums pom would do it after every bath. You would dry him with a towel, brush him, and then he would bolt into the living room and hallway and start scooting around like a little maniac with his bum in the air he would be there for about half an hour wiping his fur so it sat straight while it dried. He would also snort and sneeze from vaccuuming all the dust at the same time funny little bugger. Healthy as a horse, I never found any skin condition or irritation on his face or mouth, just did it after baths

I'll just let you have her for the weekend and you can go through the full Malinois experience ... the whining, pacing, shredding, crotch knocking, catch chasing, 2am grumbling AND dont forget that they show they want attention by snapping their teeth at you try http://www.malinois.net.au to check out Malinois both working and show lines. Theres a lot of variety in the look, theres even black Mals now. Or try http://www.malinut.com/index.php/life/ as they explain the ins and outs of living with one

Be careful that maybe the pup didnt bump himself on the back or near the spine. The swelling caused from a blow can push on the nerves and cause temporary paralysis. Yes vets can be expensive but if that was your child dragging its legs around and not walking properly would you even think twice? There are things you can learn yourself like grooming, trimming nails, parasite control etc but never NEVER leave disease diagnosis or medicating up to yourselves. Dogs are not like humans, symptoms they show that we get can mean two completely different things. For some things you can cut corners and get for a better price but you only get one chance at your dogs health. Plus ... remember this ... the longer you leave something the more expensive the eventual vet visit will be Nip it in the bud when you first notice something, especially in young or really old dogs.

i'm in for a working bee as long as: we can stay over nite there is a lot of fattening food (preferrably charred beyond recognition by a drunk cook on a bbq) everyone else enjoys as much if not more alcohol then said cook so then does not care if not even their dogs can chew the now unrecognisable carbon chunk that was a burger/snag/steak now THATS a working be. Nothing like tools, motors and hangovers

ahh she is a dog by many names proper name is Wilhelmina but I shortened it to Mina occasionally Mini moo cos she can be a stubborn cow, or Min min ... dont ask why but my dog has 50 cutesy names oh those photos are beautiful ... not too much foam!! was worried she would turn into her usual Hound of the Baskerville look because of her drool. I can hardly wait till the next one but making our own machine I'm all for!! and someones backyard would be great. I smell weekend working bee

you know what this means ... time to DIY a lure coarsing machine!!! woot ... now anyone know where to get an old engine from? maybe we can make a hand turned one, that would be easy. Then get together for a bbq and a full day of mad running about

Twas fun by all cranky bum decided not to like other dogs at about 5pm so tried to bite that poor little basenji's head off whoops ... methinks the heat got to her She got it first go though mummys proud! Made it seem so effortless ... second go she just peered down the pipe like 'why arent you coming back out little flappy thing' hope someone got a malinois photo

yaaaaaaaaaaaaay todays the day ... Ive had my kibble and the dogs finished off her coffee ... oh ... wait ... I think Mina knows somethings going on she's been whining at me all morning Someone come tap me on the shoulder will ya (conversely come yank about 2 feet of black hair hehe) I've never met a DOLer before and I'm figuiring the only dog I could recognise is chezzyr's smooth collie ... I'm the one with the spazmo Malinois All good behaviour will go out the window today guarenteed Ahhh plus I want photos please, our camera has kicked the bucket so if someone could take a couple for me that would be excellent! Jules

We've gone off vaccinations for now. She had her first puppy one, I got her at 10 weeks then at 12 weeks I gave her a c5 because we were going to be out and about. The vet said it may sting a bit, she was in pain where they pricked her and he was crying all day and off for a couple. We tried c5 again at 6 months of age (the vet told me I did it wrong and would have to start again ... please read the textbook and know about the titres) and same reaction, burning, crying, itching, off her food and general depression. The whole yearly vaccination goes back to when we had cases of distemper running around. Yearly vaccs were nearly a guarentee of eradicating the disease, and making people bring their dogs to be checked by a vet who would keep tabs on diseases and conditions of animals in their area. Like polio, thats why they cram it into every kid, to make sure it doesnt come back. These diseases exist in our country but immunisation has prevented epidemics like back in the 50s. Conversely in that time companies have had enough time to find safer vaccination methods so they vaccine could safely be given in such unnaturally frequent doses. The whole puppy series of vaccinations was worked out by vets so they didnt have to do titres on every dog. Same idea, the average dog after a series of 3 vaccinations and maternal antibodies would have a high enough titre to have a sporting chance of surviving a run in with the disease. Unfortunately now even some vets have been brainwashed into this being the only way your dog is protected so push vaccinations onto people without proper research. Mina now thinks needles = pain so I cant put her through that. Maybe in a few years time for a boost but we really dont socialise enough for me to put her through that every year. I would like to find out what in the c5 actually causes such pain and if there is another brand that may not have the same reaction.

ha har I may have to finally come down ... 15th eh ... If anyone down Hoppers/Werribee needs a lift I can oblige as I have a station wagon, even if its just coming along for a look for next time. I have a cargo barrier but no crate so if you have one we can squeeze it in the back. Jules

Hey they dog tries to jump the fence ... not your fault its the only way to contain her ... :p

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moron did a triple post ...

Have you also tried having the person outside call to her in their friendly voice so she knows who they are? Then have them give her a treat? She now thinks that people outside are going to break in. If she hears who they are she will learn to relax as not everyone is a bad person. Maybe have a sign at the front gate "Please call out a nice hello so the dog knows you're coming" or something. Yes desensitise on the hoodies and sunnies. Let her watch you put them on and then walk around the house with one or the other, then both together. What freaks her out is the fact that someone has come into her yard but she cant recognise their face so everyone is a prime suspect and could be breaking in again. If she had seen their faces you would find she had an aversion to certain types of facial hair/skin color etc. I would start installing some sensor lights around the perimeter of the house. We got this nifty round one (Arlec Oyster Style DIY Security Light) from Bunnings that clips onto an existing light and no screws needed $33 This will also alert neighbours that someone is wandering round in your yard. Conversely run a length of shock tape just under the top of your fences on the yard side where it cant be seen and set the power on high. When someone grabs it BAM theyll be screaming so loud someone will call the cops. I'm just mean I guess. :p

ooooooooooooooooooooh grotty rotty kisses!!! hmmm i miss rotties theyre so cuddly and smooshy... who could resist a rotty face My grandmas rotty is reaching 15 and she's still protecting away, she even lets the chickens walk all over her, the bog boofa feeds em too

For anyone that wants a prtective looking dog try this article: Training the non biting dog to bark at the door/fence Its to teach your dog to bark on command and when it hears a noise at the door or perimeter... conversly if anyone would like to hire my bark machine for a few weeks and give my nerves a holiday you would be more then welcome. With those sonic ears no one would come within 2 blocks of your place without you knowing about it She does eat a lot though and she's going through shed so you can give her bakc when she's over making everything tan and fluffy

I only gave, well, the extreme case scenario. Thats why I donned the flame suit and had the extinguisher ready. For a beginner trainer its easy to make mistakes, even with professional trainers involved so consistancy can be the key. I'm just worried that first timers trying proper protection (and not just sport where the dog can remain in prey and stil do OK) can go a little out of their depth, especially with a larger dog. If an accident DOES arise (in the grand sceme of things those 1 in a million things occasionally happen) the owner has to know 110% they are capable of restraining the dog manually. I only meant restraint in a lunge in this case, you pretty much have to hog tie mals to keep them quiet My point (which due to insomnia came out as a sloppy mess) was that Jintanut would be better off investing the money in a ready trained protection animal. She would be safe from day 1, she would not have the hassel and constant outlay for a puppy that may or may not turn out to be good for protection or that may even require more then average training to bring out its true capability. I bought my Mal as a guard (which she does all too well) as well as sport dog but I never expected a 3 month old pup to be able to do that job. It was probably more we were protecting her for quite a while Jintanut sorry if I came across rough. Remember BSL is really running rampant and the last thing we want is for you to be victimised as well for training an 'attack' dog by your council. Good luck in your decision

Jintanut If I was a breeder I would not sell you a pup. You have done no research into protection training and you are only looking at 'oh bigger must be better' when it comes to the breed. Have you tried to hold back a 50kg rottweiler while its trying to launch itself at a decoy? My 25Kg Malinois is powerful enough, she can drag a 110kg male with her. You seem to be thinking that bigger is better without considering the legalities of owning a giant protection machine. And that is what a fully trained personal protection dog is. Yes they must be muzzled in public, your fences must comply to council standards, your property must have signs and you must declare your dog as DANGEROUS to the council, vet etc BECUASE THEY ARE TRAINED TO BITE A PERSON NOT JUST TO GRAB A SLEEVE. If the dog DOES bite someone you will be liable, especially if you do not comply with local laws to the letter. Its no good looking for a puppy and then looking into training. Go to training centres and watch, learn and listen to how it is done. Not everyone is suited to train these dogs as they have very dominant personalities. Do you have the self discipline to train this animal for 2-4 hours EVERY DAY? No exceptions, no breaks, no cutting corners, no half way. You cant go for a holiday half way for a couple of weeks and expect to place it into a kennel. These dogs can take a few years before they are fully fledged (and even then a lot of them fail) and their training begins from DAY 1. Not, oh we'll do some obedience etc etc then start. Nope formal obedience can kill drive in some dogs because its two separate methods used. You have to build courage and drive in these dogs from the day they open their eyes. The first few months are critical in shaping a pup. And what happens if you do something wrong in their trianing without realising? all that money and effort down the toilet and you are left with a dog that cannot do the job you bought it for. Anyway a specially bred protection/law enforcement pup is around $1500-$2000. Plus training($$$$), food, vet costs etc. Its more expensive to do it yourself. Do yourself a favour. Shell out the $3000-$4000 for a fully trained personal protection dog. They are extremely well socialised, family friendly young adult dogs but are ready trained to protect when the need arises. From the day the dog comes to your home you can be sure it will do its job. If the dog does not settle in the company should provide you with a replacement. Anhialate - having a dog that lunges, barks, foams etc at another person would be considered dangerous by the council. How can you prove your dog will not bite if its raving like a lunatic? To get a dog to hold and bark like that is more difficult to train in a protection dog then getting it to just run up and grab because you are forcing the dog to stand its ground. It does not have the option to run it must stand and defend - without fighting? uh uh thats extremely stressful on the dog too. Have feeling I will be flamed to a crispy critter but people have to understand this is a long, hard and difficult process, not for the average dog owner. Anyone can create a dog that bites, lunges and is a crazy uncontrolled bite machine, but very few can create a personal protection guardian.

If you want a dog bred towards prtection/protection sport (like mine) remember you have to spend a lot of time and effort training it to channel its drives towards productive things instead of shredding your home Malinois - dont discount their size, I have a 25Kg Mal yet with her sonic bark and gaping maw no one really wants to come near the fence. Reno is my girls uncle. Would you want to pat him? hmmmm dont think so You can buy ready trained personal protection animals. Thats virtually a guarentee of a dog that will prtect you under stressful situations. Just because its a large dog does not mean it will protect you when it comes to the crunch. It can be dangerous to try and train your own personal protection dog without having a professional involved. If you push a soft dog too hard you can cause too much stress and have a fearful dog, and if you start with an overly dominant dog you can create a metaphorical monster if you dont have the strength to control it. Your staffie would not be good for personal protection, as other people have said its too much of a family friendly breed. Heres some links to people you can ask about purchasing a protection dog: http://www.k9specialists.com/ http://www.schwarchundmal.com/ http://www.vonforell.com/templates/index.p..._page=kraftwerk

Try some of the larger pet stores (not the commercial chains like Pets Paradise) I use the Canine Nutritional Powder, it has kelp, yeast, garlic, parsley etc sprinkled on her raw food. I even bake it into her cookies, she does well on it. I recommend their products, always fresh and not too expensive either. I think they have Omega oils in pump bottles too