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If i was looking for a dog and this one came up , i would jump at it , but thats because i like scruffy looking dogs , and the GWP is up there amongst them , my mates got one he's a great dog , smart but goofy , really nice dogs with a personality that suits my own . However if they became popular and purposly bred for profit i would stay WELL AWAY from them , i would not want to encourage it by giving my money , think i'd just buy a pedigree GWP , if i could afford one , i don't know what they go for Regards 1500 dollars , well Thats a hard one , i argue with my wife over this subject , so i've got no chance with you lot LOL , i bought a dog years ago from the pound , can't remember how much 100 maybee 200 dollars , i'm talking probably 20 years ago , bought him has a companion for a rotty pup i had , , after a few days , i actually hated the thing , just could'nt take to the yapping crying , pooing weeing little thing that annoyed the hell out of my self and my neigbors , it just constantly howled and cried day and night , BUT he was a little white fluffy thing that had become very popular , after a few days and a couple of nasty notes left in my letterbox from irate neighbors i decided he had to go , now i advertized him and my phone did'nt stop ringing , people were actually offering me more than i paid for him , these white fluffy designer dogs were popular . But at the same time a elderly lady we knew , had just lost her long time freind so i approached her , if she wanted him , she could'nt afford a couple hundred dollars like i said it was a lot of money 20 years ago , so i asked if she wanted him for nothing ,, she was reculant at first , so i took him around to her house to show her , well it was love at first sight both of them , , when i left the house , this dog was curled up asleep on her lap , she was promising ro pay me so much a week , i told her NO way i don't want money just a good home , spend it on food , for him , my wife still goes around to see her now in a nursing home , and i believe her room is like a shrine to that dog her companion for many years after money whilst important to me takes second place to finding a good home . But by and large i do think people should pay , not everyone is like me lots of people will not look after something , be it animal or mechanical , if its free . and with that in mind i doubt i would pay 1500 dollars for a rescue dog , i got annoyed at the rspca , when the current dog i own was actually $350 same has all the dogs they had when i went in enquired said i would have it , but when i went in to pick it up the next day , they demanded $450 i asked why the jump in price and was told , because dogs like him are popular we can sell them all day everyday , so want more for him , , i had my heart set on him so payed the extra , but it left a sour taste in my mouth that has lasted for the last 8 years i've owned him , probably because i had actually bought dogs from them before , once i even donated a worker of mine to go in there and spend a week painting kennels i paid his wages for the week , i felt ripped off , it was'nt the money it was the proverbial principal of the thing , Same has recently looking for another dog , i wanted a adult dog skip the mess , so its obvious a breeder with an older dog , i approached a few who advertized , all advertized , brought up with children in the house bla bla bla ,, but NON yes not one of the dogs i enquired about would give me a gaurantee they were house trained , that was my BIGGEST priority , yet all wanted big money for them dogs , not a good home , money was the key factor , so just like the breeder checks out the buyer i was checking out the breeder ,, in fact i could'nt believe it when i seen the price of some dogs 5 years of age , that being big breeds probably would'nt live much past 8 or 9 before they were costing me big vets bills , . Fine line between whats the most important , money or a good home . I know if for some reason my little mate had to go , a good home over money would be my priority all day everyday ,, but on the other hand unless you were like this elderly lady i knew personaly , i would 'nt trust that giving him away would gaurantee a good home in fact iit could work the opposite ,, hard one is'nt it , 12 years ago a young girl had to get rid of her 10 month stumpy tail cattle dog , i said to her i would take him but did'nt want to pay just promised a good home , i had him 12 months ,, then after minding him for 3 weeks while we went on holiday , my son and his children were sad they had to give him back , i decded that they could take him he would be better off with them , outdoor active familly , , he's coming to the end now but had a great life well looked after cherished member of the familly , . If i knew then how he would off turned out i would of paid thousands for him and considered it worth every cent , but at the time alls i was willing to offer was a good home , the girl was just glad someone would take him . Like i said its a hard one

Think in that situation you have NO CHOICE but to do what you feel neccesary at the time , i sometimes don't come across with what i mean , , but i have seen your sort of scenario a few times too many and would agree with any dog owner the first thoughts are save your pet ,, what i'm more on about is i've seen perhaps 20 ---30 --- 40 times more almost daily the scenario where , on a public dog beach people take there little dog and completly panic if another dog freindly or not comes up , grab there baby hold them high , or pull them back and actually wind up a freindly dog into aggresive mode because they are scared not there dog , i see it at least a couple times a week , and shake my head and think if you have a timid scared dog do what i do DON'T TAKE IT do not put yourself in that position , , i don't know how many times a week i see it , freindly but inquisitive dogs getting kicked , shouted at because people take there timid scared dog on a leash free area , i'm not talking about big reactive dogs attacking little dogs , but scared owners demanding other people leash there dogs because they are scared or there dogs are timid . Has much has it was my responsibility to leash my shepard and stop him running up to timid dogs , which i did because i knew he had this fault , i consider it my responsibilty not to take my dog timid present dog to unleashed areas and then complain about every dog that comes to sniff . I really do think if you don't want your dog to socilize take him for a walk on a leash round your block , do not take them to a dog beach or dog park , Course we are not talking about viscous dog reactive dogs thats another story , and like i said when i had a 60-65 kilo black faced mean looking rotty i never had that problem people just leashed there dog and walked around even though he was freindly the idiots are only bothered about consequences

Unfortunatly your correct , i see it EVERYDAY , my little fella has not been to the beach with me once this summer , i look out the window see people there with there dogs and leave him home , come winter when theres less people i'll start letting him come again , he's only small runs around the house so gets his excercise , but the dog beach is out of bounds for him till winter when its usually empty , your also correct about people not having control over there dogs , i see it all the time a total lack of recall , probably the most important thing needed , like i said my previous shepard had NO RECALL , his idea of coming back to me would to run back full belt only to run past me to get a pat of the other person he sen a mile away , and thats why for 17-18 years unless the beach was empty he was ALWAYS on leash , Funny enough though whn i brought another dog in his recall became better , but i've got to admit it was always the second dog he was following not my command LOL ,, he was like the bunny energiser , kept on keeping on outlived two other dogs , 17-18 years of just looking at me like i was stupid and doing what he wanted ,LOL , fortunatly that was only outside , inside perfect dog

I can also tell you about a couple of times dogs were not let go , one funny enough also attacked by a ridgeback , the gent pulled his dog away and up ridgeback trying to get at it got more and more incensed , gent started swinging his dog up and away , virtually hanging it , poor bugger was screaming both him and his dog , ridgeback latched on and a tug of war started , little dog badly hurt , i don't know if it survived . Another time around 10-12 years ago , a big rottweiler got away from its stupid owner she did have it on the lead but brought a dog reactive monster to the beach which when it seen an old ladys maltese cross , it went to sniff , old lady would'nt let go of the lead stirred the rotty up more by pulling her dog and shouting it just pulled its owner and she let go , rotty latched on to the small dog up till then it was agressive but not kill mode , the swinging the little dog once again riled it up like i said it latched on started shaking , i'm a big fella and it took all my strenght to drag the rotty in the sea while its latched onto the small dog and force its head under water so it would let go it killed the little dog , owner of rotty left it and run while the commotion was going on , Both times i could'nt help but think if they had just let there dog have a sniff and cower under supervision off course things would off been different both them times and other times i've seen where its definetly been screaming pannicking owners riling the attacking dog up more , course its going to vary from situation to situation Theres more experienced dog owners tan me on here , ( breeders , ect ) like to hear there thoughts , on let them sniff or scream panic and pull your dog away , course if its a full on attack you have no choice .

I think the operative word here is CONTROL , you need to be in control of your dog at all times wether its in the street on a dog beach , dog park wher ever it does'nt matter if your dog is not under control DO NOT UNLEASH , Personaly i've said on here a dozen times i spend half my days on a dog beach fishing its easy i live over looking it , so i go at least 3-4 times a week , over the years like many i've owned a few dogs . and they have all come down with me to the beach , its a case of know your dog , unfortunatly a lot just don't care , , i had a BIG BIG shepard , he was the most gentle dog i've ever owned , lousy watchdog , freindly has , but when i took him to the beach he was always on leash , he was too freindly he would spot another dog and zoom he's gone wants to play , spot a person and zoom even quicker wanting to lick then and get a pat , my worry was NEVER him hurting anything or anyone but scaring them when he came charging up the beach at them , once he started his run there was no coming back when called , because of that i'd be fishing anyone else came on he was put on lead , till they had walked past patted him and shown they were not scared , On the other hand i had a big rotty who to be honest i did'nt ever put on a lead , i had total control over him , but that dog would lie next to me , and not budge , if i walked 10 feet to cast my rod he walked 10 feet with me would not leave my side , i did have the occasional argument over the years with other people , who's dogs were not under control , and usually about the rotty , because although he would be next to me other dogs not under control charge him at there peril , there were a couple off occasions when dogs had come charging at him and although he was'nt dog reactive he would play with other dogs , show him aggresion and he would return the favor , like i said there were a couple off occasions where dogs off leash has they were allowed , were not under control and charged him , end result being myself telling there owners to get there dog under control , he just would'nt put up with rude dogs , and too be honest i made no apolagies for him , because the owners should do what i done with my shepard and thats leash him if others were around ,, then again i also had a heeler , smack in the middle , he would just run and run up and down that beach , usually trying to round other dogs up , i got too know a lot of the dogs and owners who came down regular and they loved to watch him play with there dogs , especielly when he used to try round them up , once again thogh very freindly gentle dog , what i did notice over the years was people only became accountable and try to control there dogs when its going to end badly for them , my rotty i found when people seen a 60 kilo rotty with a black mean looking face off leash theye tended to leash there dog , and give a wide berth , with the heeler he's been charged a few times , but he was always to quick and nimble and would turn it into a game never the less i have had to say to people leash your dog mate if he's dog reactive get him under control , because all mine except for the shepard ONE CALL and there back by my side , sitting down waiting for me to allow them to carry on , Sam the shepard was my most gentle dog i've ever owned , but unfortunatly outside only , the only one i could'nt control , luck though 17-18 years everyone knew him , and when he was off leash they would send him back to me , other wise he would off gone home with them LOL Its really all about MANNERS ,,, PS i will say though don't want to tell breeders and experienced owners how to suck eggs , but one thing i noticed over 40 years off going to this dog beach is when one comes running , the little old lady / or man who grabs and picks up there fur baby while screaming makes it 10 times worse , let your dog go , let it cower and show defeat , or simply run away , because i've seen lots go into full attack mode when owners are swinging little pugsy in the air by its lead and fido is getting more worked up and attacking

I've found this really interesting reading about these problems , WHY , because i'm having all these same skin , scratching , inflamed ears ect ect , problems with my dog , I ask myself why is it different now has opposed to dogs for the last 40 years , and i keep coming up with the same answer ,, when i was a kid we had dogs , they were always healthy and in good nick , but my parents always said there the kids pets , both of themn were not paticulary fond of dogs and animals , so the rules were steadfast , there your dog , YOU c lean up there mess or THEY GO , there dogs they eat what we leave , we were poor i suppose so alls they got was a spoonful of pal , chappie whatever , over the scraps to give it taste and that was it , yet i cannot remenmber a dog we owned that did'nt live a long live and ever had problems that took them to the vet , and to be honest my dad would of rather spent 10 cents on a bullet than 10 dollars at a vet . Fast forward i got married we still had dogs , i and my wife are dog lovers , but 40 plus years later . all our dogs lived to a far far more life expectency than what they were supposed to , and NOT ONE of our ogs has cost us much at the vets , all of them were not fed speciel diets they were all fed meat , bit of kibble tin of pal , lots of scraps , all of them were fed what we has a familly did'nt finish , all of them topped up by supermarket kibble , for when there were no left overs , quite often a spoonful of tinned meat to give them the taste , and ALL OF THEM have lived long lifes and very very rarely at the vets Now present day , first little dog , first dog i've ever spent the money on in regards money is;nt the object , i buy whatever he needs i buy whatever i read is the best , I've spent THOUSANDS trying to clear ear infections , and he still licks ,m still seems in distress , so i said to my wife NO MORE , stuff the expensive 150 dollars a bag of kibble , stuff everything i read , , for his ears about a month ago i said give him ear , (scuse the pun ) and i swabbed his ears with Cider vinigar , i stopped buying expensive kibble , and buy a small bag has a filler , the rest of the time he gets scraps , meat , chicken , basicly what we eat , times like tonight theres no left overs so he gets kibble and a couple of spoon fuls of pal to taste , , also he gets bones , i have started treating him like what he is A DOG back to basics and guess what , his coats shiny , his nose is wet , he's running up and down the hallway , with his toy in his mouth growling and snarling , jumping on the furniture and behaving like a pup , he's actually become once again a healthy dog

Ok just a question for people , What dog do you really like the look of or desires the traits and temprements of that breed but do not and possiblly will not own for whatever reason , be it too big , to energetic , or too furry . I will start off , I really like the AKITA , but will never ever own one , the fur and grooming would drive me nuts , , close second is the Giant Schnauzer , but once again the grooming puts me off, and the wife says a definete NEVER , we had a long haired shepard for nee on 18 years , and he drove her mad with bags of fur left everywhere LOL

I think your freind has 2 options , Option 1 ,,, Admit to themselves they have a possible dangerous dog on there hands , if a dog growls , bites and attacks children , NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON , it is a possible dangerous dog and a liability , so they must man up , admit to themselves that what used to be a nice freindly dog has turned into a biter , say to themselves not on my watch and basicly ban the dog from children , DO NOT ever allow it near children unsupervised , be very very wary at all times and just admit to themselves , that said dog has to be watched , closely FOR EVER . . and you know what , its not hard i had a rotty , that from a very early age shown , has good a dog he was that he would'nt need much to stir him up , so i just never ever allowed kids to play with him and ALWAYS kept a close eye on him , i loved that dog he was my best mate , but my wife and kids all said he was harmless and i was over the top , that it was my imagination , but i always said better safe than sorry , so option 1 keep him away from kids and constantly watched . Option 2 , get rid of him if they don't want to go to the bother of option 1. If it was my freind i would be reminding them , just how many babys , kids and even adults have been mauled by the familly pet , who NEVER shown signs of agression i would be reminding them a dog is an ANIMAL not a human , , its shown the signs it attacked there is NO EXCUSE if it mauls , Sorry to be blunt , but i love my dogs but do relize there not fur babys , there not children there dogs

Only have a laymans answer , but i think its mainly the price followed by lack of quality , over the last couple of years i've looked at getting another dog and i will ALWAYS go pedigree , not saying there better dogs , just that i know what i want , temprement and looks , and more likely to get it out of a pedigree , however when looking , i looked at so many dogs which were bad examples of there breed and ridiculous with the price i walked away , plus has someone else said , vet prices now , then housing which allows dogs harder and harder to find , , its probably a dozen combined issues has opposed to one or two ,, but i'm sure price and quality are big ones , people come up with big dollars too buy the latest designer dog , but people who want certaiun pedigree breeds are more picky on what they want ,

We all have our preference for certain breeds and unfortunalty some of them get bored , and dig , bark , or get anxious , for nearly 40 years i solved this problem by always owning 2 dogs , just basicly worked on the fact they need company too , , we don't work now so ony have one dog , cameras throughout the house and all around the house , tell me that he does'nt mind being on his own , i look on the cameras while i'm out , rarely see him walking about , he's usually curled up asleep somewhere , mind you he's not a big boisterous ridgeback , , i think really what Rebanne said would be my answer ,, digging pit , backyard . with a marrow bone , you will probably have a few barking sessions till he gets used to it ,

Clever little thing , Bet you were top of the class .

shows what you know does'nt it , Courts do not have set fines , for most stuff , judge , magistrate can give out what they consider appropriate , pleadguilty you get a reduced fine or sentence in a lot of cases , plead not guilty and be deemed to be wasting court time , and expect a harsher penelty , and this is FACT ,

The one thing i can see coming out of this , is YOUR gonna get a bigger fine, once you decide to fight it and waste the crts time , they will hit you harder , make no bones about it your GONNA LOSE , the court is going to fine you the usual amount , plus costs and then they will add on some more for you being so pompous , self righteous and wasting there time .. Let us know how you went on

Longest living , Long haired shepard , the biggest and best looking shepard i've ever seen , just a few months short of 18 years Shortest , Male Rottweiler , around 7 and half , never had a sick day in his life just died young Ok in the morning just collapsed and died in the afternoon Second shortest ,, Female Rotty just over 8 years old always healthy until about 2 weeks before she died , on her nightly walk , she just stopped and i had to carry her home , , did'nt seem sick , vet said she was OK just old overnight , 2 weeks later died in her sleep .

Rough collie . I know they make good movies stars , I grew up watching one , LASSIE lol ,, however what about actual sheepdogs , / working dogs ,, are they still used for that , are they any good , say compared to Heeler , Kelpie , border collie ,, I actually grew up with rough collies , my uncle ALWAYS had one , he had 3 if memorie serves me correctly , everyone of them called Lassie , and every one of them were snappy around kids never me , i could walk and play with them , but others he would'nt allow near them , he always said its the climate , too hot for them here in Aust he would say , especielly there nose he would say , it gets burnt , and they get cranky , don't know if its true i just liked all off them

Nail ,,, Head , you nailed it here , scuse the pun , but you just described my dog not barky or energetic, small , good with kids , very gentle nature , does'nt malt much ,, BUT also constant ear infections , constant licking paws , constant visits to the vet , constant money money money spent , never any results , put to sleep ears cleaned , ching ching . $700 thank you ,,, , its allergys he needs this that and the other , visit %70 , allergy test $80- , steroind tablets $80 , this tablet $60 that tablet $60 3 , 4 hundred dollars later still all back 2 weeks later . Will say i've never had these problems before , but he's the first non pedigree small dog i've had designer dog just bred to make money , never again IF we ever have another dog its pick a breed and pay for the right one , and its cheaper than oodles anyway

Very nice , there lovely dogs , my mates got one its 14 and still in good health , noticed you said you were fostering , and you had just been and payed , whats the score there , i would of thought if your fostering your helping out , therefore be no charge , why did you have to pay , is that normal , curious i've never fostered a dog , i've bought dogs from the pind , but i was under the impresion fostering is just basicly looking after a dog till a home is found , i'm open to be educated , cheers

Nothing wrong with oodles , stoodles , coodles . whatever you want to call them no doubt , some if not most are lovely dogs , after all i own a maltese shitzu cross at least thats what we think he is , i just refer to him has the little white fluffy dog , BUT to refer to them has anything but mongrels is silly because there not a paticular breed , dispite what anyone says , no matter what the breeder of these dogs say , there not pedigrees , does'nt make them a bad dog , just makes people trying to sell something there not if theres any claim to being a breed , after all which ones a breed the cross poodle cavalier . or the cross poodle lab , ir anything else they want to call oodle . The are in fact just a designer dog and it is mainly puppy mills who put thjem out and they DO NOT do it to try and come up with a different breed they do it for DOLLARS , Like i said we own a maltese cross i got him from the rspca 7 years ago, but remember they were probably the number one dog of choice a few years ago , oodles have took over , Told the story on here before after we bought him which was by accident , went in to buy a mastiff they had he seen me , i seen him and that was it , but he had a hold on him i put a secondary hold on him and the first reneged , they rang me next day and said come get him .. But i found out by accident a few weeks later , a perfect stranger , who recognised him on the river 250 klm from my home and where i bought him , , told me they were going to buy him but could'nt come up with the $600 the seller wanted , guess what the original hold , was put on by a staff member at the rspca , . yep a staff member , the price was $300 , for him , but when i went to pick him up i was told $400 when asked why the $100 jump the rspca answer was , because there popular dogs and we can get more for these , pay it or leave him , i paid it . but it left a sour taste in my mouth regarding the corrupt rspca , There staff buying them to sell and make profit ,, them themselves , pricing by poularity , adding money on to there normal price . . Still nothing wrong with ood;es after all they are a dog , but i do keep in mind there bred for making money , not to create new breeds

Couple years ago i seen a snake coming towards me whilst i was on my houseboat , big bugger has well , it got to the water and went under the boat , i spent probably half hr walking around the boat stamping my feet and banging the deck with a broom , i was convinced the thing had got on top of the pontoons , i had not seen it swim off , i also started the 2 motors , telling the wife the moise will scare it of , after 30 minuites or so she was laughing at me stomping up and down , but i still never seen it swim off , i gave up probably 10 minuites later i went out the back and there it was sunning itself on the swim deck 3 foot from 2 very loud outboard motors , noise certainly did'nt scare that thing off ,, the shovel did though , also went to a fauna farm thing , guy there handling snaked told everyone , never to stamp your feet which i grew up thinking was the right thing to do , he said it scares them and they may attack , stand still and let it slide away he said , . Also he said nightime was the worst time to run into them , because there out hunting , i always thought thats when they went to bed , out in the riverland on the boat i never walk the dog at night anymore since he told me that

Rescuoodles ,,, Oh well you can't blame them for trying , I suppose someones paid well to come up with this brilliant idea , I will say these dogs are very popular , p[eople are willing to pay Oodles to get the dog who's name ends in Oodle , But i suspect its more about the idea they do't malt supposudly have gentle temprements are smart , and of course last but not least a present day fad. But calling a staffy cross , or a heeler cross a hoodle or a stoodle is'nt going to cut the mustard , its also about a very important thing LOOKS , Just like your wife or husband people want a dog they consider gentle on the eye , and nice natured , , after all who wants a wife thats they consider ugly , aggressive , and unpredictable , ready to turn on you , . Got a few mates who have one just like that , but unlike a dog it would cost them the house , boat , car and everything else to get rid , (He He started something now hav'nt I LOL ) Theres also the scruffy looking aspect , its popular , personaly i like scruffy looking dogs , but if i wanted one i would go buy a long haired wire coated german pointer , an Airdaile , Shnauzer or something then not cut it too often . But seriously the rspca want to get rid of some dogs , they can start by letting people in too have a look , I told the story not long ago , about going there to buy a dog , they would'nt let me in to look at them , so i walked away , few months later they said on facebook they were having a open to public day , because they were full and desperate to get rid of some , so i rang up there main office asked if its true was told yes just rock up , i jumped in the car left work and drove 80 klm only to be told , Naaw , someones pulling your leg , make an appoinment , when i asked what if i make an appoinment to see that dog on your board don't like it and want to see another they said make another appoinment ,i walked away in disgust vowing NEVER to deal with them again , theve got the lunatics running the Asylum .

Well people can call them what they like , Ooodles , Groodels , Labadoodles , and any othr name you can think off , but to me they are and always will be MONGROOLS . whats more , if the people who bred these things tell you they are a responsible breeder of MONGROOLS , who do health checks , check there non existent pedigrees , care about what they produce , , not just in it hoping for big litters and 5 grand a pup ,, Then come see me i can sell You Sydney Harbor bridge very cheap , Honest . You cannot even say there trying to create a new breed because there not , there so many different Oodles , Groodles , labrdoodles , its obvious the only intention they have towards developing a breed is that the name ends in Oodle , and they can get 5 grand a pup , Wifes mate bought one of a puppy farm , she got sold a right load of crap , nervous little biter that shits everywhere and when its not doing that its hiding under the bed that privelige cost her $5500 , and hundreds if not thousands in puppy school , who by the way will not take it in anymore , they said it just runs to a corner shaking , vets fee's and now medicating it in the hop it will let someone pat it without weeing itself screaming and hiding under the bed shaking for 8 hrs , Will admit its got a bit better but has to take daily medication , and then it acts like its a Zombie ,, apparantly she knows a couple who bought from the same litter and theres are the same . Sooner these dogs do there popularity circle the better

Think you will find the more time goes on the more they will , especielly in Aust , ,and it will not be through lack of money to buy them , the oodle outbreak has shown that people are willing to pay through the nose for a dog they want , I went to pick my dog up yesterday from his every 6 week haircut and while waiting was looking at all the dogs there in the doggy day care , Ooodles outnumbered every thing probably 4 to 1 , my daily walk or morning fishing trip to the dog beach i see dozens of them very very rarely see a doberman or a rotty , anymore , , I know breeds do the circle in popularity , but i think breeders are not helping themselves with the ltd registar stuff

I do not have a problem with this breeder or ANY breeder having a waiting list and asking top dollar , no problem at all , whats more to an extent i can understand the not for breeding clauses they may have , WHY well the answer is simple if this or any other breeder is willing to import , dogs or seman at huge costs , they are entitled to get rewards for it no one can begrudge them and why should they pay out just to let someone else come along and profit from there expense , no thats all fair , but it must be relative to the charge , Now i personaly rightly or wrongly do think a dogs looks are important , show me a scraggy looking shepard with a long thin snout big hunchback on the virge of dragging its back legs and i'll show you a dog i could , would never own , show me a big strong , good looking one and i would want to own it , .regards these dogs i like the look of them , and too be honest , i don't but if i did want one i would probably do my homework and end up has customer num 41 on the list , with the expectation the dog if ever i get one is going to cost me a fortune , BUT and theres always a BUT i would feel the dog is mine and if i want to breed or show it , there should be NO RESTRICTIONS and like i said relative to the charge , if said breeder said look i sell mine for $10.000 it costs a fortune to do what i do , and i want to recoup money , fair enough but you should not be restricted from recouping your money , if said breeder said look this ones not show quality , bit of a runt really but a lovely dog , so you can have him has a pet for say $4000 thats fair enough after all not everyone wants to show or breed , thats excatly how i bought my shepard years ago he was long haired and i believe at the time it failed him from showing , but who cared he was what i wanted , big strong and good looking , i paid at the time $500 for him but her other show dogs were all going for around $1000 , i also got papers for him , they just got stuck in the draw and brought out occasionaly to show and brag what a good pedigree he had , he was the perfect dog lived till 18 has well But i'm not silly if i want to own the offspring of this years winning dog at the crufts show , i would be willing to pay through the nose , likewise , if i wanted to own what i consider nice looking shepards , and went to purchase one from someone who imports german working dog lines i would expect to pay top dollar , i actually have in the past and been very happy too , just like my car , my boat, my motorbikes , they have all been purchased because i like the look , dogs are no exception , , but i do have an issue with people who grab any two dogs put them together and breed ugly dogs with no traits of there breed and then have the cheek to charge massive amounts and put restrictions on what you do with your dog , and use the responsible breeder rubbish has an excuse to do so , But people / breeders whoever cannot complain dog lines are dieing then place restrictions on them being bred , and its only the bad . cheap breeders who will suffer the quality dogs will always sell .

What health testing was done on both dogs prior to the mating or did you just hope for the best? This is why breeders put desexing contracts in place in an attempt to prevent irresponsible breeding like this. Sure, you might've been lucky and the pups were fine, but it's a completely unnecessary risk to take by not health testing dogs prior to breeding, especially in breeds with known health issues. Wires have a horrible recessive disease which has considerably shrunken their gene pool. Carriers can only be mated to clear and many breeding wires that I know of are mostly carriers and with numbers so small and importing very costly, litters are scarce. And yes, a carrier x carrier mating could produce unaffected puppies, but it's not worth th Well it was over 25 years ago , and i'm guilty has charged , was extensive testing done , NO but mine was a very healthy well mannered great dog , which is why i wanted a pup of him , the girl he was mated with was the same , my vet at the time knew both dogs and said it was a great match they should have good pups which they did . they were mated , i picked a fantastic pup . they kept 2 pups and sold the rest , getting enough money to pay for all expenses , they were actually sold quite cheap at the time , the 2 dogs they kept went on to win shows , , and do well in the showing buisness , everyone who was lucky enough to get one of these pups were freinds , who admired both dogs , They were not bred for money or profit but for temprement and looks and it was agreat success . . However i can understand the need for testing , ESPECIELLY when dogs are not part of the familly and kept in pens in a yard just meeting there breeder / owners a hour or so a day , BUT would i believe them Not a chance in hell ,, i've watched the GSD go down and be ruined , turned into a hunchback looking deformed dog with non of the GSD temptrement that rin tin tin , and co are famous for ,,, i visited a kennells with labradors the other week , actually it was to buy something they were selling and when i got there they had about a dozen dogs all in kennells and each with a big run , i spent time looking at them and asked the price told between 5 and $6500 , depending which dog ,, they all looked like very poor examples of a lab , small skinny , shy and timid , . Do i really believe this breeder spends on testing , not on your life , still i was guilty has charged , whats mor my sons dog a heeler is such a great dog but getting old now , and we have often said its a shame that he's been desexed , because if he was'nt we would both want one of his pups for sure , but i know for a fact he was desexed young because it was part of the sales agreement the young girl who bought him had to do , suppose that breeder could of been thinking she was protecting the breed i thnk she was protecting her part time income source

Well I can see it happenning to a lot more breeds , , years ago i bought my dogs from breeders , i did'nt want to show or breed , just wanted a certain breed and that was the way of ensuring i got a breed with the traits what i wanted . BUT it was my dog , i went along i looked at the kennels , looked at the dog and looked at the breeder , checked it all out , i suppose the breeders also looked at me see if i was suitable , i handed over cash they handed over the dog , i also got given there papers , and whats more i expected them , after all i was paying for a pedigree i wanted to make sure i got what i paid for a pedigree dog with a checkable background / breeding , furthermore , once the deal was done it was my dog to do what i want with , if i wanted to show it part time i could , if i wanted to breed it with my mates dog i could . I never did show any dog , but ONCE i did breed my rottie with someone elses , because i wanted a pup and i wanted one of his pups i got pick of the litter . The other person , kept two herself and done well with them in the showring Fast forward 20 years and theres definetly a snobbery about , breeders with this mains and non mains rubbish , are just killing there own industry , thers NO WAY would i pay out thousands of dollars and be told i have to de sex my dog certain dogs i would'nt even look at i'll be specific , GSD , no way would i buy one most are scrawny hunchbacks that look deformed , thats had all the good traits bred out of them , now others like the WFT may still have there traits but where you gonna get one , how much is it going to cost has stated above , the breeder has a waiting list of 40 people , and charges $5000 , BET YOU A PENNY TO A POUND , THAT THERE NOT ON MAINS REGISTRAR , AND need to be desexed , after all with that sort of waiting list why would you want competition . . My last two dogs have been one from a young girl who had to get rid of her 10 month old stumpy tail , due to moving house , i took him the day before he was going to be put down , she could'nt find a home for him , my son has him , he's 10 now and still a great dog , and the present one from the pound over 7 years ago . would'nt mind another dog a bigger one , that can come out with me fishing and camping ect , but each time i've gone out to buy one i changed my mind when told , what i can and can't do with my dog , . Granted some breeders are ethical and just want to do the right thing , but i believe most are just protecting there side income source ,