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Can't even see why they bother doing studies on it . Its not rocket science ,, on the left you have wild dogs ,, wolfs , foxes , dingos ,, these dogs have not yet worked out how to grow grain , they don't know how to build or work machinery , plant corn or wheat , so they chase other animals and reptiles for there sunday dinner . Domesticated dogs on the other hand have come to rely on humans for food and humans themselves gave up hunting there food a couple of years ago so just go down the shop and buy it in the process they buy there dog food , hence dogs eating habits and digestive systems have evolved diferently , So there you have it lesson free , next one only half the charge of an expensive study , save money make me rich win win situation

You would get no argument out of me regards breeding if its done for the right reasons ,, People who pay thousands to import dogs , , transport them across country to be bred , ect ect ect ,, Well they have every right to breed there dogs , sell the puppys , and hopefully make it worth there while to carry on doing it and producing good dogs wether there for show , or pets if there producing good quality pups . However i will say like i said recently i did start looking for another dog , and preferably an older dog and i was disapointed at some breeders , who like i said advertized , brought up in familly home ect ,, but when asked and told its a must it must be housetrained , unnacceptable if not , i was 3 out of 4 times told NO ,, further question like has she been shown how did she do in shows , were met with we did'nt show her ,, she was breeding stock , so it was'nt a familly pet , was'nt a show dog , it lived in the run , and was finished with having litters , so time to go ,,, Err call themselves breeders i call them puppy mills getting rid of there dogs when no further use ,,

Its not really rocket science , i think the main reason for these doodle type dogs is simple its all in the doodle , lack of hair , people simply want a dog , a pet, a freind, a companion, whatever you want to call them . but in this present day and age of 2 people working the cleaner of the house wants LESS HAIR its the fact that a lot of these dogs are claimed not to malt or at least not shed too much .. Plus the fact they appear to be more lovable , cute and gentle ,, hence why its usually cavadoodle , labradoodle , and dogs renowned for the good nature , wether or not they are well i don't know i see them on the beach daily but never really interacted with any . But i think its definetly they are percieved has being gentle familly dogs who don't malt ,, after all i've never heard of a rottadoodle , or a sheperdoodle or really any doodle crossed with guarding breeds ... Do i like them personally i'm on the fence if there a good pet why not , just has good has any other mongrel i suppose ,,I'm definetly in favor of the low shedding , we have a dog that does'nt shed , and that really is a bonus we got him from the pound so did'nt know at the time , i just got him because he was young, and he picked me out ,, I actually went down there to buy a full grown bull mastiff i had seen earlier that day , went home and got the wife to show her ,the new dog that was coming home , Oliver seen me picked me out and 7 years later , i'm still wondering when he's going to wake up for more than a feed , a walk or a quick play , before he starts snoring again ... I do find the price of them insane , and i would NEVER own one simply because theres NO WAY would i part with 4--5 6 thousand dollars for a mongrel and people do , wifes got a freind who's daughter bought a cockerdoodle or some such thing 5 grand , must be mental . But i think there here to stay , because , lets have it right if you don't want to clean the house 3 times a day , and you have Mrs A selling her shepard which you know is going to shed , for 5 grand , or you have mrs b selling her labradoodle , with no shedding for 5 grand , most will pick the designer non shedder , I would'nt but a lot will , most don't understand or care about the breeding and in any case most of the time its rubbish ,, I was thinking seriously of getting another shepard i went to no less than 4 breeders to look at there pups every one of them gave me the spiel about being a responsible breeder , how there dogs were worth more money ect ect ect ,,, and everyone of them were showing me parents that looked more like jackels BAD BAD BAD examples of the breed ... After owning a heeler i love them , but the wife will not have another one ,, simply because when we have a dog its part of the familly and sleeps wherever it wants , inside outside , and dogs being dogs they will normally come inside , and that causes them to shed more , the heeler was the worst shedding dog weve had the wife says no more , i thought about a giant shnauzer , but decided they may be too energetic for my lifestyle and age , so knocked that one on the head . So i can really see why the non shedding or low shedding doodle crosses suit people . But is it bad too buy one i don't know like i said i would never pay that sort of money for one , Breeders seem to be dead against them ,, but heh ,,, I also don't want a pup , wife says nope let others get there house chewed up if we get one we get an adult dog ,, so i went looking for an adult dog and found these same breeders who were critical of oodle breeders calling them puppy farms , were quite happy to get rid of there adult mastiff or shepard they had for 5-6 years after its purpose of breeding had been fullfilled , and yet off 4 or 5 i rang to buy i found 1-- they still wanted top dollar and 2---- Out of them i rang 3 were not house trained whats that tell you they were not brought up in the familly has claimed , the 4th was on severe medication and was going to be a very very expensive pet , yet they still wanted $2000 for a 6 year old dog with problems . So really who are the puppy farmers ,, debatable is'nt it . . There would still be a lot of good breeders out there , after all over the years i've paid top dollar for dogs and been lucky i've bought quality dogs all excellent examples of the temperment and looks off that breed ,,, but i will say its getting harder to find them , Shepards are a good case in point , over the last 30 years , i've looked at them and think there not shepards anymore all the shepard traits and too a extent the true solid sturdy shepard looks have been bred out , what is it i kept hearing , WE BREED THEM FINE HERE ,,,and the fewer breeders the less competition , ,, really is an hard one , i think your just better off going down the pound and rescue the dog , its what i've done for my last two dogs and theve benn rippers , well the one we got nows a ripper when he's awake , but thats only until he can find a lap to lie on

My sister rang me about 2 months ago , she has a little dog dominering snappy little thing , pug cross or something , her son brough home a pup not sure the breed one of them big white herding dogs ,, she rang asking what should she do the pug did'nt like the pug and snapped at it run away from it and just did'nt want a bar of it ,, i advised her put them out together ,and ignore them let them get on wth it , the pug was used to being in sitting on her lap , she did , now there the best of mates the pug she says is a new dog he's come to life and she swears he's not has snappy anymore in fact a better all round dog ,, told her course he is , he's getting excercise and now actually being a dog

Think most above have said it right , Pups being taught some manners , it will learn when and how far to push the play , Only thing i would definetly do is feed them apart , I introduced a male shepard to a full grown staffy male , who was the boss but has he got bigger and older the only time the GS would stand up to the staffy was meal times , he was very food possesive , would gobble his own and then eat the staffys , so i fed them apart , and never had a problem ,,, years later after the staffy had gone , i brought a male rotty in , and was amused at the rotty pup being taught the same manners the staffy taught the GS regards play how much and how far , , what suprised me was the GS did'nt mind the rotty pup pinching his bone , or a bit of food , quite often they would leave one bone and sit chewing the other bone together . However that was only when the rotty was a pup , has he got bigger and older , the GS became more back to normal and domineered the food , he would push his bowl over to the rottys bowl show his teeth and eat both of them Suffice to say it was an easy fix , one was fed inside the other outside , bones one in the run one out the run , and it was important has the GS got older had his own place to go when he did'nt want to play , after he went , we got another rotty and it started all over again but by then when the new pup came in the first rotty had become food dominant , its just a dog thing ,,, i quite often have my sons dog a stumpy tail , come around he gets on well with my dog a little white dog a who knows what he is thing ,, they get on well , but i feed them seperate ,, theres no issues except the heeler gobbles his food , then mine will quite happilly shirk away from his own and let him eat it , he's timid , can't stand up for himself so i have to do it for him and either tell the heeler NO or quite simply put him out till my dogs finished eating ,, Your just discovering natural behaviour in the pack ,

Years ago 1986 to be excact i got two fully grown boxers from the pound , they wanted them to go together so i took them both , Mitz the mother probably about 8 , at the time at a guess she was lovely but starting to slow down , Zac ,was about 4 -5 at a guess , well what a fantastic looking dog , big , lot bulkier than most boxers pure muscle , both dogs had already been well trained , would walk to heel without a leash , would sit lie , stay they actually knew a lot of hand commands , great great dogs especielly when i was given two for the price of one had them , had them for 4-5 years before sac passed pantriatic cancer ,, after he went mitz just lay down and withered away probably around 13 then . Anyway whats this got to do with anything well mainly i like to tell a story when i'm bored , but other than that ,, there was only one problem with them ,,, i lived then and still do virtually on a dog beach , i took them there every morning and every night they loved it , what was the problem , well Sac loved bricks and big rocks , he would always find them and chew them he would spend hours knawing on a big pebble or brick , he would bring home a mouthfull off pebbles bury them in his run , dig them up chew em and bury them , but that was'nt the problem the problem was he had virtually NO Teeth , he worn them down they were just stubbles when i got him , Vet said , heh he's already worn them out let him caryy on he likes what he does , ,, now thats easy to live with except for one other problem ,, he was VERY VERY protective of Mitz , he himself was good with most dogs , she was good with all dogs ,, but on the dog beach ANY dog came near his pebbles or Mitz and it was on ,, so what did i do , this is the part for the original poster ,, I stopped walking them when others were there , i only done early morning or late evening , and if there were other dogs there i put him on the leash , so control your dog or stop taking it where it can steal other dogs balls ,, because i can tell you Sac was a very very strong muscle bound boxer and would of been a dangerous dog if he had teeth , never happenned often but on the odd time before i relized it was a problem he had no trouble pinning down other big dogs who tried to steal his pebble or brick or shown aggresion to Mitz , its obvious that your not really familiar with training dogs , so do has i did , don't put yourself or your dog in a bad position , ,, Besides its more fun on your own playing fetch go to an oval and leash him when other dogs come around with balls

Well to me a dog is a dog ,, my dogs have always been well looked after lived long healthy lives and been happy dogs i treat them has mates , after all thats why i get a dog . my dogs have always had a role which was to be a good dog and a familly dog , but protector of the property has well , hence i mainly owned big dogs , and for at least 30 years i alweays had two dogs , i figured they need company during the day if no ones home , , regards sleeping simple they slept where they want inside outside i don't care , some would want to sleep outside your bedroom door others go outside in there kennel had one dog who during the day wanted to be in with you , but at night would howl and scratch the door if you did'nt let him out , he would lie in the middle of the garden in a storm and would refuse to come in , would'nt even go in his kennel but heh i'd say to the wife leave him , he's a dog , and he's got a doggy door if he wants to come in , they have all been mates companions protectors and a joy to own ,, now thats my version My wifes version is different all my dogs ,i've never allowed on the furnture , i'd have a cushion which was for them they knew they have there cushions , but soon has i'm gone the wife allowed them on the settee with her , she would give them a bit of whatever she had , one for you one for me sort of thing dispite me saying they know there meal times , I have never been able to convince my wife there dogs , you don't have to leave the light on for them , and you don't have to leave the tele on for them theve got each other when were not home , , even now , when we go out she will always say to our dog , has she gives him a kiss , won't be long baba be good ,, leaves the tele on for him , he don't care he just sleeps ,, i've put the security cameras on my phone and said to her look at this he's not watching tele , he's not budged he's in his bed asleep ,, no matter how much i say to her , he's not a baba he's a dog ,, her answer is always the same he's my baba ...... Now this all coincides with the kids ,, she talks about our 3 lads , and refers to them has the kids ,, it annoys me , i tell her for gods sake woman there not kids , the youngest is 35 theve all got there own kids , there adults not babies ,,, her answer don't care there my babies , Point being who cares what people call there dog , call it furbaby , baba , or dog has long has its treated well who cares

Think you have to take it into context ,, Always had dogs all my life , but always big dogs and usually two at a time , shepards, boxers , rottys , every single one of them have known there a dog , with bounderies , and always under my control , with verbal commands , never had one that did'nt know his place in the pack , and did'nt respond to commands ,, all of them have been inside outside dogs , Just sleep where they want to , all have been good watch / gaurd dogs , simply because thats what i wanted out of a dog and trained them for ,, But all of them came to work with me and really had to be TOTALLY under control , yet freindly too strangers which they met every day ,, i found the best way to get all this was NEVER forget they are a dog and they have instincts you have to either encourage , or watch very closely , example one male rotty i had , has freindly has he was , with strangers or people he knew , NO ONE was allowed to play rough with him ,, shoving your arm in his mouth and pushing shoving was a no no , he could go from wo to go in seconds it was instinctive in him he just had security dog tendencies without being trained ,, yet he was probably one of the frendliest dogs i've owned he loved people but you had to remember he was a dog and rough play was out , it was never him i had to tell always the other people , who because he was so freindly and wanted a pat , they felt they could go one step further .A security firm wanted to buy him off me , after there head trainer there seen how reactive he could be after being teased . I never did he was afamilly pet , abit one which you really had to remember HE WAS A DOG Now i say take it into context ,, they were all big dogs healthy boisterois , playful , and confident all had the traits and breeding what you expected out of a shepard or a rotty all were excellent examples of there paticular breed and all needed a strong owner and needed to be treated like dogs ... However the dog i have now a little shitzu / maltese cross ,,, he's the most gentle dog you could find , i get on the floor to roll around with him and unlike the other dogs , he's not interested , he just wants to sit on someones lap and suck there thumb ,,, however he's not totally undog , he is actually a good little watch dog definetly lets you know if someone is about , thats when he's awake , he loves his walks and when walking if i let him off the leash he becomes a terrier puts his nose to the ground and will not stop sniffing , but you got to let him do it he's a dog ,, most times if others are around he is on leash and will not walk instead just meanders sniffing one plant to the next , .i have a houseboat and spend a lot of time on the river just us in the bush ,, but he will not go off the boat UNLESS he follows me , he's too scared he'll defo follow me , but no way will he go on his own,,, so how can you treat this fella like the others you cant , he shows dog characteristics , example lying at my feet while i type this ,, if i get up and go watch tv , he will get up and come in jump on the settee and snuggle up , but thats not till after he wakes up from where he is ,,, little fellas like him can be sucks but you tend to treat them accordingly like babys , so like i say its in context , no way would i treat a mastiff or a shepard the same way , these dogs need to be trained , under control and do has you command without question ,,, ths fella well he's just there like an inquisitive little baby walking around when he's awake , so he tends to get treated less like a dog especielly from my wife , who sits with him on her lap for hrs I tend to talk to him has well ,,, I tell him i'm gonna get a proper dog soon ,, he just tilts his head , looks at me like i'm stupid , and goes to sleep LOL

I have purchased a springer spaniel , a German Shepard , a staffy and a couple of rottys from reputable breeders over the years ,, and in every single case i have gone along looked at the litters and been told ,, that that and that one , are top quality and show dog potential , there x amount ,, and this this and this one are healthy but not show quality there cheaper all come with pedigrees , but only them can be shown thats why there more money . This i felt was fair , and has i've said before on posts , a couple of trhem the breeders actually stuffed up because my pet only dog turned out to be great , i just did'nt want to be involved in showing dogs , Now though its different , i was looking for a dog and just kept getting told LR only but still the same price ,, in the end i got a rescue dog ,, worked out well cheaper by thousands , vacc , desexed , and micro chipped all for $450 and he's a great dog But unfortunatly the whole episode made me very very wary of breeders who claim to want the best for the breed but realisticly there just protecting there income ,, like i've said before our council set rules regards breeding , who died and made breeders town sherrif ,,, I actually do know my dogs and too be honest looking for a shepard , most i seen were bad examples of the breed , just has well they were on LP because showing them would of only shown how bad a breeder the breeders actually were ... BUT the prices were show dog prices

He loves ya ,, get him a playmate

I would of thoght it would be a no brainer , to have a fenced area or a dog run , to stop the dogs roaming off especielly at night , and too keep them away from roo's , know a guy who had a lot of roo's come on his property and his two big , no massive pit bulls , and i mean big pitbulls used to go the roo' s and chase them off ,, i warned him and warned him be careful one day they will not run ,, he laughed thought it was a big joke , until early hrs of the morning it kicked off , the roo's did'nt run , and killed one of the dogs outright , the other was very seriously injured , course you should fence your dogs

are dogs still allowed in the back of utes

Bought two dogs in the past , one a GSD the other a staffie ,, i mention these two because both were prime example of there breed , both i paid a premium for , both had really really good pedigrees , both the breeders kept in contavct with me and showed an interest in them ,,, both the breeders tried to get me to show them , both breeders were proud of these dogs , BUt showing dogs was not for me i just could'nt be bothered ,, but i was proud of the fact people used to stop me in the street or on the dog beach and ask , where did you get him he's fantastic , and when i gave out the breeders number i know for a fact they got calls has to regards pups , too me they were pets ,, but the breeders produced and sold top quality dogs these dogs were mine and if i chose to show or breed them i felt i was entitled to do so , after all the breeders were doing it , who says there better than anyone else i was and did pay a premium to buy quality dogs , whats more these breeders were proud of there dogs and actually wanted me to breed and or show , it looked good on them . But both these breeders would tell you when you bought that ones a ripper , thats below show quality he's cheaper but no papers , Now fast forward a few years and its alll LR ,,,, WHY ,, thats an easy question to answer , CONTROL , yep control of there buisness and lets have it right when you have 2 litters a year from your dogs at 5 grand a pup its big buisness ,, limited registar cuts out competition , it also ensures you can throw any two dogs together and still command high prices for bad examples of the breed ,, just look at a lot of the hunchback shepards around ,,, i'm totally against LR , Breeder breeds champions for show or breeding , sell on mains , if its not good quality sell cheaper without papres after all can't be shown ,, but LR sell the bad examples at the show dog prices , win win for the breeder , i will say i've had a few disciusions with breeders over the years who bbject to my thinking , but like i say to them who made them sherriff , in my state you have to be a breeder or get the dog desexed , and the council have the police to help enforce that , breeders don't need to be judge and jury , Its all about protecting there income and cutting out competition

Think your dead right about traits being bred out of dogs ,, i especielly look at the german shepard dogs , i look at a lot of them on the dog beach opposite my house and think poor buggers , they don't even look like shepards , more like large foxes or jackals with a big hump ,, .. although i did see a beuty the other day asked the guy who was the breeder and he was lucky enough he got him from the pound .... I spoke to a guy who actually trained dogs for security firms for a living , he was telling me they have a BIG problem getting good stock , he explained most of what they get will not bite , that protective instinct has been bred right out of them along with a lot of the other instincts that make a shepard a shepard all in the name of good breeding , . He was telling me that the ones he looks at to buy cannot be trained to protect , and when they will bite 9 out of 10 times there fear biters , and therfore not to be trusted ,, we had a discusion about it and i bowed to his 40 plus years of training and breeding shepards ,,, dobes and rottys ,,,, he was adamant that breeders are thinking there breeding aggresion out of these dogs when there actually breeding the characteristics of that breed out of the breed ,,,, basicly because people want a rotty or shepard with a golden retriver temprement and there being catered for , We touched on the look epsecielly the hunchback look of a lot of shepards has opposed to the dogs they import for breeding , that he put down to really two bad examples being bred , by people who just don't have the resources to bring in the good stock , ,,,, suppose these topics are alwayss open for debate

It would really annoy the hell out of me to think that this breeder had conned me , possibly if it had been returned conned someone else and been paid twice ,, i honestly would get all the info together , get a letter from my vet explaining what the dog had , how long ect ect ,, document it all together with a list of phone calls , letters , ect ect ,, pay a couple of hunfdred dollars more and take them to the small claims crt , no lawyers allowed , just you and them and hopefully a judge who see's the breeder for what they are

Gee i've been lucky in 50 years of owning dogs , never had one thats been scared of storms , fireworks , cars , lawn mowers , or anything like that ,, I live on the coast , and come winter the high light of living here is the storms ,, mostly early hrs of the morning , they will often wake me up and i get up open all the front blinds and the doors to the balcony , turn all the lights of and sit watching the storms and lightning ,,, the bigger the storm the more i like it watching the lightning light up the room and the sky , followed by thunder loud enough to make you think the house is shaking my little maltese cross we have now , where will he be ,,, sat alongside me or on my knee , not giving a care in the world , in fact sometimes if i'm inside watching , he''ll toddle off on the balcony and watch himself ,,

Good advice ,,

HOW TRUE I've owned big dogs all my life, boxers , shepards , rottys ( my favorites ) heelers , close favorite to the rottys and every single one has obeyed every thing i say , and with no training has such , just over time they learnt sit, stay , come and OUT when it was time ,, my rottys especielly i did'nt even have to command them to go out , just a look and a glance and point at the door and off they would go all off them have been good on or off the leash , when i said heel they would bound back and go to heel , i think they want to know who's boss and then want to please you , well thats the only answer i can think off because i never had any formal training on how to train a dog and i never took any of them to training schools just spent a lot of time with them . Today i was at a freinds house and they have there second minniture shnauzer , there first had to be locked away when people came it was a biter ,, this second one was misbehaving its 12 month old , and they were shocked at how i could get it to sit , and behave in a few minuites , i just explained he has to learn No means NO , Inside 15 minuites it was sitting , giving me its paw , and roling over for a treat , they were amazed ,, but like i said to them its a dog not a baby treat it has such and a treat is the best way , Yet i have a small fluffy little white thing , bit of everything , and even though he's well behaved , he will not do a thing i say , just completly ignores me when he gets a mind too

Don't mess about ,, get a letter of the vet , go down and take a summons out in the small claims crt , document every letter, phone call and tex you send , and send plenty reminding her of her obligation also tell her you are seeking a return on vets bills ,, ,, stuff her , what do you think she would do if you paid by cheque and it bounced , treat her the same ,,,, Some love to play holier than thou , defending there high prices because of heart checks , hip checks ect ect ,, and these breeders that charge the high prices and don't do the checks , are ruining it for everyonbe other breeders has well

You were sensible enough to know what you done was the right thing , and too be honest the trained gaurd dog thing , with a dog that barks consistently sort of says it was'nt getting the correct training , coupled with the fact that she was too strong for you ,, well sort of indicates problems , later , not trained properly too strong for owner bad mix ,,, if she's with someone who spends a lot of time with her she will probably love it there ,, , sems like your an excellent dog owner , you just got the wrong type of dog , lots of more suitable dogs out there

Totaly correct ,, If someones looking for a dog they want a dog , and 9 out of 10 times these people would'nt know what questions to ask ,, someone wants a springer spaniel ,, they might ask , what color are the pups , what sex ,, but i doubt there going to ask , does it have one ear longer than the other , or are the parents good gun dogs with soft mouths , are the pups used to shotgun fire , have they been in the water to retrieve or are they scared of water , No its likely to be , color , sex and PRICE , what order will differ , and too be honest any breeder who got shirty with me because i asked the price , i would'nt buy of them ,, i'd just think they put money before the dog , so can't be trusted ,,,

Interesting . you mention GSD remember years ago , probably 20 --- 25 years ago ,, out of curiosity going to a show of sorts Shepards only ,I was looking for one to buy , 95% of the dogs i was looking at , too be honest looked wrong , hump backs , too much of a slope , narrow skinny faces ,,, then i come across two absolutly beutiful strong excellent looking dogs they were not together , , i aproached the owner of this big male , had a discusion , with him , and he then told me the other one i admired was his dogs pups , ,, HE TOOK ME RND TO HIS HOUSE AND SHOWN ME HIS OTHERS , HE HAD ABOUT 5-6 , the big male was a german import ,, he shown me the mother she also was a german import marvelous looking dogs , unfortunatly for me no pups available , he only bred the one litter ,, Anyway i said to him , bet you get sick of winning these shows , ,, never won one he said , i was shocked , what about that pup he's marvelous i said surely he'll win today ,, never do he said thats why i'm getting out of it ,, he said ,,, i said to him most these other shepards don't even look like a proper shepard , more like skinny jackals , his answer was ,, they tell me there looking for fine dogs like them ,, i spoke to a few other owners who said we breed them fine nowadays ,, this was bred with that and that was bred with this ,,, i quickly relized , that most these people did'nt have the money and recources to bring in good stock , so bred with there mates and then started to change the awards to suit themselves ,,, make of this what you will , but i can honestly tell you , EVERDAY of the week , i watch people walk past my house , with shepards i live right opposite the dog beach , and everyday i look at the poor things and think they look deformed , most have skinny snouts and bigger hunchbacks than the fella who rings the bells ,, shame really , then i watch a police dog , on tele and think thats a shepard , . Another thing with them , the very things that made them a great dog seem to being bred out of them , ,,, Not meaning to start a argument here , but i believe its all to do with breeders playing police , taking dogs of main registar , and why ,, to save the world or to protect there income , different people different views i suppose

Hard one really , i'm sure a contract is a contract , and it will be covered ,, think if it was me though , i'd probaly sell the puppy again which i'm sure the breeder will do ,, and sling them back 500 bucks , keeping 500 for them wasting my time and just being imbiceles , then i would be really REALLY GLAD it happened and my puppy was'nt going to such an idiot ,,, Thats like wanting kids , then putting your new born in the bin , because no one told you they cry and want feeding at night Imbiceles

Honestly , there dogs , and has much has we all love our dogs , its worth bearing in mind that they are dogs ,,, This one has bit the other so badly its lost an eye , now you can give it all the medication you want , you can see all the dog behavourists you want , but the facts are your never ever going to be able to leave them all alone and not be suprised if it happens again and he loses the other eye , then after that an ear , ,,, My son had a little shitzu cross that used to attack the other little dog he had , , so he gave it away to his brother , its now perfect a beutiful little dog , but first it had to learn its place in its new home , his brother has a blue heeler , and the shitzu went for that has well , virtually the first day it arrived , the heeler put it in its place , and every now and then when he feels brave , the heeler puts it in its place , you just have to remember its a dog not a human , and they need to know there place , its just showing who's leader of the pack and it will carry on doing so , If a dog attacks other dogs or people give them to someone who can control them or change its enviroment ,,, , like i said we all love our dogs but some people think there people not animals , and a daily doze of prozac will fix things , , having a dog which you can't trust with the other dogs or people , i'm afraid just is'nt fun , or worth it , there would be lots of homes out there where he wil be took care off has a one dog familly member , or like in my sons case with another dog he cannot boss or hurt .