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Think you could add too that , Rottweilers , german shepards , all mastiff type dogs , and while were at it never met a chiwawa that was'nt a nasty viscous little brute , remember when i was a kid , neighbor had a corgi that used to chase all us kids up the street biting our ankles , so throw them in has well

Strange , raise your voice in my house our little dog takes himself outside , drop a cup any sudden loud noise , and he's off , he's a very quiet dog who loves calm , yet i love to sit outside on the balcony every time theres a storm , and being by the sea we have lots of them each year , , he just comes and lies on my lap watching the lighting listening to the thunder , and he'll just nod off absolutly does'nt faze him one bit

Whats littermate syndrome , what i have read is two pups , two owners , same houshold , dogs get on well and play , dogs have each bonded with there own owners , just like you would hope , whats the problem at the moment , i can see two future problems maybee , but maybee not only time will tell . problem 1 ---- males they may fight when older problem 2---- if houshold splits up , one misses the other . Other than that whats the problem

Personaly , reading botrh sides here , i think i would say no way she getting the dog back , its not going to live a good life , lady thinks she bought a toy , probably after recieving nasty messages , i would say no way she's getting her full amount either , i'd probably advertize good home wanted , sell her to someone for whatever i could get and thats all i would refund , i would state the dog was older people were not willing to pay the same has they will a pup . Then i would recieve more messages and think , get a grip of yourself , this woman sounds like a neurotic nutcase letter writer on a mission , and just give her a refund tell her to go away and witch hunt someone else , because she said herself she's on disability with major depresion , the lady sounds bored and causing problems is her outlet , Naaw give the nutter her money back tell all the other breeders you know to be wary , the vet said the dog was fine , its a chiwa wa if it had not eaten for a couple weeks it would be dead , it obviously ate a bit of something , just not enough for her , Give the money back , and hope you get rid of the problem , although i sence until she finds someone else to harrass its not going away ,

Unfortunatly your never going to stop it , , i own a small dog thats timid , and watch him like a hawk always on the leash when theres other dogs on the dog beach , and i'm constantly shouting get your dog mate , when he's approached which is all the time ,, But prior to him i owned a massive and i mean MASSIVE rotty , that was quite freindly with well mannered dogs , but very unfreindly with ill mannered dogs he would not tolerate them , because of this he was ALWAYS on leash unless dog beach was empty . . With the little one , people don't care they let there aggressive dog run up and intimidate mine , yet with the rotty they always seemed to control theres and put them on leash to stop them coming up , over the years did have a few who did'nt , but i would just shout get your dog mate or i'll let him go , that usually fixed it , sad but true , people just don't care

i can tell you the best ever dog , loyal and easy to train , Springer Spaniel ,,,, Boxers ,,, English staffy ,,,, german shepard , rottweilers ,,, blue heeler little mongrel cross shitzu , maybee maltese with a definet bit of westy in there . Each and every one of them has been loyal easy to train and well behaved , there dogs and they mould to your personality

Instead of shooing it ,, call it over with a buiscuit , when it gets used to you , pick it up , put it in the car , take it to the council offices , tie it to a post outside with a note on its neck , FREE to good home

Hard one is'nt it , If i was an aboriginal living in the bush trying to kep the traditions and ways of my forefathers , along with the dream time and all the other stuff , Think then i would hate to see the dingo , shot , culled , got rid of in any way shape or form But if i was a farmer , with 10 000 head of sheep and my whole familly's future and livelihood tied up in it , and was reguly losing sheep to dingos i think i'd want them , shot caught moved areas , whatever has long has they stopped killing my sheep . Suppose if i was in my 4 wheel drive going out where the dingos lived , i would'nt be stupid enough to allow my pet or child wonder off So the top two have both got a point the 3rd one is just an idiot who should have no say . But the fourth one , groups who recieve govt money from which the farmer's tax pays for , should just keep there nose out

Did these people have to study at uni long to be able to state the obvious

Did'nt read it , They could of saved heaps of money and just asked what i' and millions of other older dog lovers already knew , Labs are greedy buggers who will eat till they gorge , I can also tell them for nothing . so will my little bitza dog , and feed him the recomended amount once a day say night time , next morning he's looking for food and throwing up white bile , , so he has to have 2 meals a day to stop that , lately because were home more in the colder weather its split into 3 meals , 6am 100 grams ----12-1 pm 100 gms ------ then around 7 pm the last 100 grams , heh presto , no bile , , he's never looking for food anymore , and happy and healthy , There ya go and that info did'nt even have to be funded , ,, can't help but wonder how much it cost for them to state the obvious , labs are a greedy dog I'm basing that on owning a few , plus being brought up with my grandfathers labs , cannot ever remember him not having one , every single one of them called prince has well LOL

Sorry he got caught he means ,, The dog meant a lot to him , Yeh sure did , bet he was thinking about it a lot while he was running away , I'd give him 6 months in the big house to get over his depresion and anxiety , along with a video of the dog being destroyed , he could watch it to cheer himself up ,

Think you done the right thing , it could off worked out OK then again it could of been 15 years of problems and heartache , personaly i would'nt buy that grief

My sister was given one , she loved it large big bundle of fluffy white fur ,, Then it got bigger lucky they live in the country and had a big backyard because walking it became a problem for them , there is only her and my neice and neither were strong or capable enough to walk him , he just dragged them to wherever he wanted to go , lovely dog though that unfortunatly got some desease and died at around 2 ,,, WHAT IT DID DO WAS MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT DOG TO GET NEXT they got a little sausage dog (daschund ) , much more suitable to them and there lifestyle

Your never going to stop this because simply theres money involved , I know of a lady , i've only spoke to her a couple of times through mutual freinds , she apparantly bred labradors , i have heard her very vocal in the past totaly against labradoodles , claiming it was byb 's doing the wrong thing for money ect ect , throwing out all the against ideas , not in favor one bit , got to say i agreed with her a lot and could'nt then and still cannot understand why people will pay THOUSANDS for a mongrel she was always happy to hear my opinion , my wifes freind payed 5 grand for one ,, 5 GRAND FOR A MONGREL WITH HEALTH ISSUSES . Anyway that was then , now is now and she's changed her whole ideas and attitudes , now its great there introducing a new breed , there doing a great justice for the dog world and all the other associated rubbish , but what changed her mind , thats an easy one , she bought herself a poodle and now sells labradoodles charges nearly double than she did for the labs has well , she don't like me any more because i just casually said its amazing what 5 grand a pup can do for your mindset LOL .

Mmmm ,, Like i've said numerous times , i don't now or ever , breed or show dogs , but looking at your post of what you have to go through , if i wanted too i just would'nt be bothered with all that , makes me wonder in there aim to stop byb are they throwing the baby out with the bath water , it looks to me that there actually encouraging it ,I can feel sorry for the person up the road with a genuine love for there breed on what they would have toi go through , it would be very off putting ,

I think Honeyhound is just pointing out , the lies and deception that some breeders will go to , this paticular person i would'nt call a breeder , but still theres some for want of a better word , proper breeders out there , who's only concern is the dollar , the dogs come second and thats A FACT .

I don't have this dilima , because i break it down to easy choices , if i want a dog its simple , i ask myself do i want a big or small dog , in the past its usually a big dog , then i ask myself what type , , , pedigree or mongrel , to me theres only two types a purbred which is a pedigree WITH PAPERS (prove ) or a mongrel , a dog without papers or prove , it could well be a pedigree , but it could also have something else without papers , (prove ) i would'nt know sometimes I then look and its simple , theres the dog wheres the papers , no papers , i'm not paying top dollar , they can sprout all the rubbish they want about mains and no mains registered , , Far has i'm concerned if i'm buying a pedigree I WANT PAPERS , why am i so adamant thats easy , because that dog is MY POSSESION and if i want to show the dog , or breed the dog then i will simple has that , but in order to do so i need papers (prove ) its that simple , now with saying that i've had some beutiful dogs over the years (pedigrees ) and i've even had the breeders ask me will i bring my dogs back and breed them they have turned out so good , , but breeding and showing has no interest for me so i've never done it my dogs are purely pets . All in all its a pedigree with papers or its not a pedigree , and that should reflect in the price , want to buy the offsprng of last years cruft champion , be prepared to pay top dollar , want to buy a dog of gumtree with no papers , well you pay what YOU think its worth ,, don't give this backyard breeder your money , me i'd say heres my phone number give me a ring if you get stuck with 3-4 puppys , i'll take one and give it a good home but only for free . Don't encourage bad breeding , these people obviously don't know what there doing its about the dollars . Suppose while i'm ranting i'll mention another pet hate , Breeders who have dogs , breed from them 3 -4 whatever times , make good money on them and when there older , want to0 get rid of them to make room for more breeding stock , then advertize them has wanted a good home to take care of this precious dog , , yeh right that precious its got to go , but then ask thousands for someone else to have the privilige of then bringing an older dog into there home , having to usually house train it often not being able to becuase its lived its live in an outside kennel new owners getting an older dog , which is not going to live that long and will come associated with higher vets bills , , but they still want thousands , Grrrr it pisses me off , when looking for an older dog because were now becoming an older couple this is what i found , so called breeders who love there dogs but loved there dollars even more , ridiculous prices for dogs they did'nt even want anymore , personally i don't have a problem ranting about this BECAUSE to some (ME ) a dog is like familly IN FACT IT IS PART OF THE FAMILLY AND I COULD'NT GET RID NO MORE THAN I COULD GET RID OF ONE OF MY KIDS , to others a dog is just a buisness , when i was working i sdid'nt have any problem or conscience about getting rid of a worker if they did'nt suit could'nt do it with my pet though

When at the vet , last week , had a good chat with the vet , he said he's happy with his diet , this batch mixed veg , and roo mince , has long has i cook the mince , which i always do cook his meat , i asked if it would be better to give human grade mince , he said no he's happy with roo provided its COOKED ,, he also suggested , give him a egg once twice a week , which i already do , and every now and then poor some olive oil on his food , i already cook the meat in olive oil and do sprinkle a spoonfull over his food every now and then , so all in all good to know i'm on the right track .

I'll try human grade meat , more of it less veg , tried pet chicken mince , couple hundred dollars vet bills later , vet said it was no good too much bacteria giving him problems , better on cooked roo mince , but human grade mince is'nt much different in price , don't really care about cost , vets are not cheap , i know today before i even get there , its going to be consult walk in door $90 .. take swab of his ear and look at it $80 , antibiotics $80 steroids $80 and if he can catch me out again , which they will not . ear wash i can buy at petbarn for $40 his charge $85 .

Remember has a kid we always had dogs , they were mine so my job to feed them , and i cannot remember anything except opening a can of pal , chappie , chum , i suppose we were poor so they got the cheapest plus any scraps left over .my old man would always say good enough for us good enough for a dog , and if they turned there nose up at it they got the same treatment has us kids , eat that or nothing be grateful for what you got .Very strict parents who really believed in the old saying s , like get what your given , be thankful for what you got , ect Point being i can't ever remember having a sick dog , later on in life ALL MY DOGS , have been healthy eating kibble mainly , except for 2 boxers i had in the good old days of cheap meat , a friday on way home from work and pop into the abattoirs , pick up 20 kilo or so of rump steak , spend a couple hrs cutting it into chunks and feed it the dogs , my mother in law used to go bunta , she thought it was sacrilige because in England where she come from , she said they could'nt afford meat , changed has'nt it . Fast forward to now and i'm at the vets AGAIN in a couple of hrs , poor dogs got more licking paws , shaking head and lay down feeling sorry for himself , probably another ear infection , , i blame it on partly bad breeding and partly dog food , reason i say dog food , is because although he still gets it , the symptoms don't come has often since i now make his food , usually , 3-4 veg pumkin / sweet potatoe / beans / carrotts , and cooked roo mince usually mix up around 3 kilo of veg with 3 kilo cooked roo mince . . If this is a bad diet i'm open for suggestions , he gets distictivly worse on kibble ,, Personaly i'm at wits end with this dog , he's 10 now but will definetly be the last small dog i get if i ever get another that is , facts are if i was to jump back 30 years i could'nt afford this dog , he's cost more in vet bills than all my previous dogs put together

Agree 100% with this , , my little dog , in fact ALL my dogs has been taught leash time is fun time , this little fella soon has he see's his leash wants t get on it , if i let him off he runs around me jumping up , wanting to get back on it , if he is off , i only have to hold it in the air wave it and shout walkies , and he's back like a shot sitting down wanting it on , very very important you teach a good recall , then you can put him back on BEFORE the play becomes over whelming for him , But personaly i would just never go to a dog park , with saying that i do go to a dog beach but thats 3 kilometres long and only really really busy in summer , and i NEVER go then , say 3pm to 7 pm , to much of what your describing going on .

6 month old , tell him NO, nows the time to teach him , no if buts or maybees , he has to learn to behave . Good luck

I think your correct , people do not relize a lead is not natural and just do not spend the time with them to teach . I know EVERY SINGLE PUPPY i have ever owned , has had a leash put on it for a short while daily just to drag around , get them used to it , every single dog to start with has never gone out unless on a leash with a big deal made out of get your lead , get your lead , walkies , i have always spent a lot of time teaching them lead time is fun time we go out , even going to the car , its lead on , get in car lead off , before we get out its settle and lead on , My current dog will rarely walk without his lead , , he gets excited , and wants it on , when on my houseboat and out bush where he can go off and run around , he will not go off the boat unless i put him on the leash and take him off . I can walk him out of the house , off the boat wherever , and he just walks jumping up at his leash he wants it on However i do use a retractable lead with him , but never on the road , then its short ALWAYS , on our own , on the beach i use it because he simply will not move away from me unless he's on it crazy really , , but long leashes ( usually long long rope , tied to the leash ) i've always used to teach a dog recall. . I may also add this current dog is a small little white fluffy thing , mixed breeed of some thing or another , and not very strong , i have never and would never use a retractable lead with any of my previous dogs because they have all been large , them i just taught to love being on lead because it was fun and lots and lots of recall training , i think a lot of people don't know the fun you can get from training your dog , to come , fetch , sit , down, heel , ect ect . Got 8 grandkids various ages , and the youngest ones now , love coming around , and hiding , while i send the dog to find them , and its something that the older grandkids used to love , when other dogs i owned , used to do it with them , I used to do it with my boys when they were kids , tell them to hide and send the dog to find them , In fact i can go back to when i was a kid , and used to do it with my mates , play hide and seek in the scrub and send my dog to find them , always border collies , they were the only dog my old man would have in the house , people have forgot dogs are fun

Now thinking about it , I wonder what percentage of dogs leash reactive are just sencing and passing on there owners nerves , I'm saying this because my wife and I over the years have had thousands of walks on the dog beach and you can bet your life if my dog has been off leash or even on leash ,if another dog approaches , my wife gets nervous and will tell me grab the dog, grab the dog , i will say leave it let them sniff let them socialize , course i've always kept a close eye for bad body language and on the very rare occasion stepped in put mine on leash or said to the other person grab ya dog mate , but thats been pretty rare . Also two rottys i owned on different occasions i actuallu banned my wife from walking them , she would come home and tell me they were aggressive with other dogs and sometimes people walking towards her , i actually followed her one day to watch and straight away spotted the problem , SHE not the dog was getting nervouse if others approached , she said she was scared to death of dog fights , but facts are i NEVER had the problem with me both them dogs would totally ignore human or animal , with her i think they senced her nerves and went into protective mode . I've also noticed when i'm there , (dog beach ) its easy to tell the confident dogs, there usually with confident owners , theres a lady who first time our heeler went to round up her ridgebacks , 4 or 5 of them , i apolagised , she just laughed , said its ok he's only a pup , and there loving the running , she was just has confident has her dogs were , in fact she was the first one who noticed he was no longer with me often , . Dogs can sence when owners are scared or nervous , makes me wonder if there reactive to other dogs , or going into protective mode , plus its amazing how dogs can quite often settle down and mix ok , when there off leash and just left to sniff , course you always get the odd one who spoils the party , but if people know they have a biter they should stay away

Think the answers to this question are has long has they are varied , its not one thing its lots of reasons , . But i think right up there is bad manners , from owners , that let little fido do has he wants , and do not disciplne or teach there dog manners just like they don't teach there kids , sign of the times I'm not a breeder or shower of dogs , nor am i a trainer of dogs , so i don't claim to know everything we can all learn , but what i am is a guy who has had dogs all his life , and i've never had any problems really , ALL my dogs have been behaved had a couple perhaps not so much , BUT every dog has been under control usually by a look , a call , or speach , and i have never ever hesitated to leash any dog that is remotly reactive to other dogs , , my dogs have been my mates and i don't want to see them bite or get bitten by another dog , but above all i have always treated them has what they are ANIMALS , and you need to control them , I think too many people nowqadays treat there dogs has babys , , even thats OK has long has you relize , babys grow into todllers , --- into children --- into teenagers , and manners need to be taught early , giving a dog a tug and saying a sharp NO is not cruel its quite often needed .