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Not good is it , my opinion its all about money , Think i've told the story before on here , but the dog i presently own , i bought from there 8 years ago , Now in them days you could walk in have a walk around and pick a dog , So i actually went in one day walked around and seen a bull mastiff i liked , I went home next day , casually said to the wife , lets go to the dogs home , where i was casually going to walk around be suprised to see a bull mastiff in there , take a shine to it and take it home , Not wanting to be too obvious because she did'nt really want a dog , i walked the long way around the kennels , then i seen this little white fluffy thing with a cone on his neck , stopped to pat him , and he picked me out , i asked about him and they said theres a hold on him but the next day if he is not took a could have hime , i immedietly went in put a second hold on him price was $350 , next day never heard , day after i rang up to see if he had gone , , i was informed the person did'nt want him , so come and get him , i went there straight away , wife was overjoyed and so was I , . done all the paper work got out my $350 and was informed no he's $450 , i asked why the increase , and was told we can sell little cute dogs like him all day so he's dearer than all the others , i just paid it Now jump forward a couple months , and i was on the river , in my boat 300 klm from home , i'm playing with him on the bank , and heres a woman shout is that Oliver , i look up says yes , she says did you get him from the pound i said yes , , and he's mine now , no way was i giving him up , she comes over and pats him , says what a cutie he was , and tells me the story about her daughters freind worked there , knew she wanted a little dog like that , and had shown her a picture , and offered her the dog for , $600 , TIME TO PAY UP SHE DECIDED SHE COULD'NT AFORD HIM and hence why i got him , so much for dogs welfare , the staff were selling him and making money , but hows that ,300 klm from my home and the shelter , in a little country town . , Also remember about 35 years ago same place , i rang every single day looking for Zac my boxer who had got out jumped the fence , each day i was told sorry no boxers have been in here for months , don't know what made me do it , just intuition but i drove around there affter about 5-6 days , was walking through looking in the kennels , and i seen him there ,the kennel had a hold sign on him , he was due to be sold the next day the 7 days or so was up , and guess who was taking him , the staff member who answered the phones , i carried on like a pork chop so much they just returned him free of charge , i had the prove he was mine , (tattood ) Zac was a absolute perfect specemin off a boxer , i was convinced he would off been in the paper and sold privatly soon after if i had not of gone there.

Had a few dealings with the RSPCA and everyone of them unpleasant , have purchased over the last 40 or so years 4 dogs off them including the present one , but now i would never go near the place again , the one close to my home has far has i'm concerned is nothing more than a boarding kennels , run with cheap labor (volunteers ) and houses a few strays to qualify for the govt money ,

Whats the name of the breeder what dogs , do they breed , sounds like a good breeder to me , sounds like this dog may be a very gentle dog , and perhaps your house is too loud and robust for the dog , and it gets scared , breeder is doing right by the dog , WHY would a good breeder want to send his/her pups into a scary enviroment , regardles off why its scared

Think you could add too that , Rottweilers , german shepards , all mastiff type dogs , and while were at it never met a chiwawa that was'nt a nasty viscous little brute , remember when i was a kid , neighbor had a corgi that used to chase all us kids up the street biting our ankles , so throw them in has well

Strange , raise your voice in my house our little dog takes himself outside , drop a cup any sudden loud noise , and he's off , he's a very quiet dog who loves calm , yet i love to sit outside on the balcony every time theres a storm , and being by the sea we have lots of them each year , , he just comes and lies on my lap watching the lighting listening to the thunder , and he'll just nod off absolutly does'nt faze him one bit

Whats littermate syndrome , what i have read is two pups , two owners , same houshold , dogs get on well and play , dogs have each bonded with there own owners , just like you would hope , whats the problem at the moment , i can see two future problems maybee , but maybee not only time will tell . problem 1 ---- males they may fight when older problem 2---- if houshold splits up , one misses the other . Other than that whats the problem

Personaly , reading botrh sides here , i think i would say no way she getting the dog back , its not going to live a good life , lady thinks she bought a toy , probably after recieving nasty messages , i would say no way she's getting her full amount either , i'd probably advertize good home wanted , sell her to someone for whatever i could get and thats all i would refund , i would state the dog was older people were not willing to pay the same has they will a pup . Then i would recieve more messages and think , get a grip of yourself , this woman sounds like a neurotic nutcase letter writer on a mission , and just give her a refund tell her to go away and witch hunt someone else , because she said herself she's on disability with major depresion , the lady sounds bored and causing problems is her outlet , Naaw give the nutter her money back tell all the other breeders you know to be wary , the vet said the dog was fine , its a chiwa wa if it had not eaten for a couple weeks it would be dead , it obviously ate a bit of something , just not enough for her , Give the money back , and hope you get rid of the problem , although i sence until she finds someone else to harrass its not going away ,

Unfortunatly your never going to stop it , , i own a small dog thats timid , and watch him like a hawk always on the leash when theres other dogs on the dog beach , and i'm constantly shouting get your dog mate , when he's approached which is all the time ,, But prior to him i owned a massive and i mean MASSIVE rotty , that was quite freindly with well mannered dogs , but very unfreindly with ill mannered dogs he would not tolerate them , because of this he was ALWAYS on leash unless dog beach was empty . . With the little one , people don't care they let there aggressive dog run up and intimidate mine , yet with the rotty they always seemed to control theres and put them on leash to stop them coming up , over the years did have a few who did'nt , but i would just shout get your dog mate or i'll let him go , that usually fixed it , sad but true , people just don't care

i can tell you the best ever dog , loyal and easy to train , Springer Spaniel ,,,, Boxers ,,, English staffy ,,,, german shepard , rottweilers ,,, blue heeler little mongrel cross shitzu , maybee maltese with a definet bit of westy in there . Each and every one of them has been loyal easy to train and well behaved , there dogs and they mould to your personality

Instead of shooing it ,, call it over with a buiscuit , when it gets used to you , pick it up , put it in the car , take it to the council offices , tie it to a post outside with a note on its neck , FREE to good home

Hard one is'nt it , If i was an aboriginal living in the bush trying to kep the traditions and ways of my forefathers , along with the dream time and all the other stuff , Think then i would hate to see the dingo , shot , culled , got rid of in any way shape or form But if i was a farmer , with 10 000 head of sheep and my whole familly's future and livelihood tied up in it , and was reguly losing sheep to dingos i think i'd want them , shot caught moved areas , whatever has long has they stopped killing my sheep . Suppose if i was in my 4 wheel drive going out where the dingos lived , i would'nt be stupid enough to allow my pet or child wonder off So the top two have both got a point the 3rd one is just an idiot who should have no say . But the fourth one , groups who recieve govt money from which the farmer's tax pays for , should just keep there nose out

Did these people have to study at uni long to be able to state the obvious

Did'nt read it , They could of saved heaps of money and just asked what i' and millions of other older dog lovers already knew , Labs are greedy buggers who will eat till they gorge , I can also tell them for nothing . so will my little bitza dog , and feed him the recomended amount once a day say night time , next morning he's looking for food and throwing up white bile , , so he has to have 2 meals a day to stop that , lately because were home more in the colder weather its split into 3 meals , 6am 100 grams ----12-1 pm 100 gms ------ then around 7 pm the last 100 grams , heh presto , no bile , , he's never looking for food anymore , and happy and healthy , There ya go and that info did'nt even have to be funded , ,, can't help but wonder how much it cost for them to state the obvious , labs are a greedy dog I'm basing that on owning a few , plus being brought up with my grandfathers labs , cannot ever remember him not having one , every single one of them called prince has well LOL

Sorry he got caught he means ,, The dog meant a lot to him , Yeh sure did , bet he was thinking about it a lot while he was running away , I'd give him 6 months in the big house to get over his depresion and anxiety , along with a video of the dog being destroyed , he could watch it to cheer himself up ,

Think you done the right thing , it could off worked out OK then again it could of been 15 years of problems and heartache , personaly i would'nt buy that grief

My sister was given one , she loved it large big bundle of fluffy white fur ,, Then it got bigger lucky they live in the country and had a big backyard because walking it became a problem for them , there is only her and my neice and neither were strong or capable enough to walk him , he just dragged them to wherever he wanted to go , lovely dog though that unfortunatly got some desease and died at around 2 ,,, WHAT IT DID DO WAS MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT DOG TO GET NEXT they got a little sausage dog (daschund ) , much more suitable to them and there lifestyle

Your never going to stop this because simply theres money involved , I know of a lady , i've only spoke to her a couple of times through mutual freinds , she apparantly bred labradors , i have heard her very vocal in the past totaly against labradoodles , claiming it was byb 's doing the wrong thing for money ect ect , throwing out all the against ideas , not in favor one bit , got to say i agreed with her a lot and could'nt then and still cannot understand why people will pay THOUSANDS for a mongrel she was always happy to hear my opinion , my wifes freind payed 5 grand for one ,, 5 GRAND FOR A MONGREL WITH HEALTH ISSUSES . Anyway that was then , now is now and she's changed her whole ideas and attitudes , now its great there introducing a new breed , there doing a great justice for the dog world and all the other associated rubbish , but what changed her mind , thats an easy one , she bought herself a poodle and now sells labradoodles charges nearly double than she did for the labs has well , she don't like me any more because i just casually said its amazing what 5 grand a pup can do for your mindset LOL .

Mmmm ,, Like i've said numerous times , i don't now or ever , breed or show dogs , but looking at your post of what you have to go through , if i wanted too i just would'nt be bothered with all that , makes me wonder in there aim to stop byb are they throwing the baby out with the bath water , it looks to me that there actually encouraging it ,I can feel sorry for the person up the road with a genuine love for there breed on what they would have toi go through , it would be very off putting ,

I think Honeyhound is just pointing out , the lies and deception that some breeders will go to , this paticular person i would'nt call a breeder , but still theres some for want of a better word , proper breeders out there , who's only concern is the dollar , the dogs come second and thats A FACT .

I don't have this dilima , because i break it down to easy choices , if i want a dog its simple , i ask myself do i want a big or small dog , in the past its usually a big dog , then i ask myself what type , , , pedigree or mongrel , to me theres only two types a purbred which is a pedigree WITH PAPERS (prove ) or a mongrel , a dog without papers or prove , it could well be a pedigree , but it could also have something else without papers , (prove ) i would'nt know sometimes I then look and its simple , theres the dog wheres the papers , no papers , i'm not paying top dollar , they can sprout all the rubbish they want about mains and no mains registered , , Far has i'm concerned if i'm buying a pedigree I WANT PAPERS , why am i so adamant thats easy , because that dog is MY POSSESION and if i want to show the dog , or breed the dog then i will simple has that , but in order to do so i need papers (prove ) its that simple , now with saying that i've had some beutiful dogs over the years (pedigrees ) and i've even had the breeders ask me will i bring my dogs back and breed them they have turned out so good , , but breeding and showing has no interest for me so i've never done it my dogs are purely pets . All in all its a pedigree with papers or its not a pedigree , and that should reflect in the price , want to buy the offsprng of last years cruft champion , be prepared to pay top dollar , want to buy a dog of gumtree with no papers , well you pay what YOU think its worth ,, don't give this backyard breeder your money , me i'd say heres my phone number give me a ring if you get stuck with 3-4 puppys , i'll take one and give it a good home but only for free . Don't encourage bad breeding , these people obviously don't know what there doing its about the dollars . Suppose while i'm ranting i'll mention another pet hate , Breeders who have dogs , breed from them 3 -4 whatever times , make good money on them and when there older , want to0 get rid of them to make room for more breeding stock , then advertize them has wanted a good home to take care of this precious dog , , yeh right that precious its got to go , but then ask thousands for someone else to have the privilige of then bringing an older dog into there home , having to usually house train it often not being able to becuase its lived its live in an outside kennel new owners getting an older dog , which is not going to live that long and will come associated with higher vets bills , , but they still want thousands , Grrrr it pisses me off , when looking for an older dog because were now becoming an older couple this is what i found , so called breeders who love there dogs but loved there dollars even more , ridiculous prices for dogs they did'nt even want anymore , personally i don't have a problem ranting about this BECAUSE to some (ME ) a dog is like familly IN FACT IT IS PART OF THE FAMILLY AND I COULD'NT GET RID NO MORE THAN I COULD GET RID OF ONE OF MY KIDS , to others a dog is just a buisness , when i was working i sdid'nt have any problem or conscience about getting rid of a worker if they did'nt suit could'nt do it with my pet though

When at the vet , last week , had a good chat with the vet , he said he's happy with his diet , this batch mixed veg , and roo mince , has long has i cook the mince , which i always do cook his meat , i asked if it would be better to give human grade mince , he said no he's happy with roo provided its COOKED ,, he also suggested , give him a egg once twice a week , which i already do , and every now and then poor some olive oil on his food , i already cook the meat in olive oil and do sprinkle a spoonfull over his food every now and then , so all in all good to know i'm on the right track .

I'll try human grade meat , more of it less veg , tried pet chicken mince , couple hundred dollars vet bills later , vet said it was no good too much bacteria giving him problems , better on cooked roo mince , but human grade mince is'nt much different in price , don't really care about cost , vets are not cheap , i know today before i even get there , its going to be consult walk in door $90 .. take swab of his ear and look at it $80 , antibiotics $80 steroids $80 and if he can catch me out again , which they will not . ear wash i can buy at petbarn for $40 his charge $85 .

Remember has a kid we always had dogs , they were mine so my job to feed them , and i cannot remember anything except opening a can of pal , chappie , chum , i suppose we were poor so they got the cheapest plus any scraps left over .my old man would always say good enough for us good enough for a dog , and if they turned there nose up at it they got the same treatment has us kids , eat that or nothing be grateful for what you got .Very strict parents who really believed in the old saying s , like get what your given , be thankful for what you got , ect Point being i can't ever remember having a sick dog , later on in life ALL MY DOGS , have been healthy eating kibble mainly , except for 2 boxers i had in the good old days of cheap meat , a friday on way home from work and pop into the abattoirs , pick up 20 kilo or so of rump steak , spend a couple hrs cutting it into chunks and feed it the dogs , my mother in law used to go bunta , she thought it was sacrilige because in England where she come from , she said they could'nt afford meat , changed has'nt it . Fast forward to now and i'm at the vets AGAIN in a couple of hrs , poor dogs got more licking paws , shaking head and lay down feeling sorry for himself , probably another ear infection , , i blame it on partly bad breeding and partly dog food , reason i say dog food , is because although he still gets it , the symptoms don't come has often since i now make his food , usually , 3-4 veg pumkin / sweet potatoe / beans / carrotts , and cooked roo mince usually mix up around 3 kilo of veg with 3 kilo cooked roo mince . . If this is a bad diet i'm open for suggestions , he gets distictivly worse on kibble ,, Personaly i'm at wits end with this dog , he's 10 now but will definetly be the last small dog i get if i ever get another that is , facts are if i was to jump back 30 years i could'nt afford this dog , he's cost more in vet bills than all my previous dogs put together

Agree 100% with this , , my little dog , in fact ALL my dogs has been taught leash time is fun time , this little fella soon has he see's his leash wants t get on it , if i let him off he runs around me jumping up , wanting to get back on it , if he is off , i only have to hold it in the air wave it and shout walkies , and he's back like a shot sitting down wanting it on , very very important you teach a good recall , then you can put him back on BEFORE the play becomes over whelming for him , But personaly i would just never go to a dog park , with saying that i do go to a dog beach but thats 3 kilometres long and only really really busy in summer , and i NEVER go then , say 3pm to 7 pm , to much of what your describing going on .

6 month old , tell him NO, nows the time to teach him , no if buts or maybees , he has to learn to behave . Good luck