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As far as I know WA uses 'Eradicat' baits (1080) and the eastern states are trialling and using 'Curiosity' baits (PAPP), which is supposedly a humane replacement for 1080? I hate 1080, I don't think it's humane.

Unfortunately she is a medium to large breed, so I agree, I am a bit concerned. She could well have a congenital defect. So sorry to hear about your pup Very odd! Great idea about the video. I just assumed she wasn't leaking at night as she squats normally during the day. But you never know. Last night she stayed dry but I got up at midnight, 2am, 4am, 6am... sigh! It doesn't feel like she is attention-seeking, she is generally quiet and asleep when I get up to let her out at night and goes back to bed quite happily. But I know what you mean, I feel like I am not helping the problem by taking her out every 5 min as she is not learning to hold. If I don't though, she goes inside Yes I only gave her a little water last night after 7pm so maybe that helped, although she doesn't appear to be a 'big drinker', I don't know where it all comes from :laugh:

She is getting fed twice a day since she is still quite young, I could try once a day I suppose. What time would you remove the water? She does go out and have a good run around outside (grass/concrete) before bed and she always reliably pees before bed too. The problem with the newspaper is that she will actually swallow lots of it. Previously she was penned outside on concrete and grass and also crated - I do know that she toileted in the crate. Thanks for the tip re the eucalyptus oil :) I really don't expect her to be perfect as I know it's a big change and she needs to learn about being inside a house and where to go. What worries me is the number of times she is going and that she can't seem to or doesn't try to hold overnight in her bed. I haven't really encountered that before without there being a medical reason, so I was wondering if anyone has seen anything similar.

Yes I agree. No, she is entire. She has had a full vet exam including urinalysis and urine culture. Of course she could have a congenital/anatomical defect, she hasn't had any imaging to rule that out yet.

I did think about that and try it (at night) but anything I put in apart from indestructible toys gets shredded and eaten. What kind of substrates did you have in mind?

Any advice about breaking this habit? I have a 6mth old female pup here right now that has learned (elsewhere) to pee in her crate. I'm taking her out every hour during the day and after meals or play and also waking up at 1am, 3am, 4am, 5am, 7am to take her out in the night. She usually pees at least once between those times and lies in it, as well as peeing outside. She doesn't make a sound or let us know she needs to go. When she has peed on the floorboards it can be just 20min after she has gone outside and again she gives no warning that I can see - no sniffing, pacing, circling etc. I don't have her roaming around the house when she is inside - she is in one room with me. I have noticed outside that she will often go twice in 5min as it seems like the first time she doesn't really go properly. She gets lots of praise for going outside and has a toilet command. They are usually pretty small wees as she is going all the time (doesn't have a UTI though, I checked). Basically she doesn't ever try to hold but nor does she drip/leak urine either. I have tried taking away the water at 7pm and putting food/treats etc in the crate too. It is a pretty small crate as well. She has no bedding because she eats it. She is otherwise a sweet pup and seems to be responding to training very well. I'm not so worried about the accidents in the house as that seems quite normal but the peeing in the crate is more concerning to me and it's becoming quite gruelling trying to get up enough to prevent it (whinge whinge whinge!) It think that's about it - any advice very welcome. Also any tips for removing/reducing the smell of urine in her coat without getting her too wet (long coated breed) would be great, as I can't completely wash and dry her all the time obviously. Thanks!

I love Linda Vogelnest - she's kind and compassionate, super experienced and gets great results.

Many others will be more experienced with this problem but I did have a young male foster dog recently who was a terrible marker. It nearly drove me mad so I understand how you feel! I basically treated him like a pup all over again and removed the privilege of free-roaming around the house. I crate-trained him and if he wasn't in his crate or outside then he was on his lead and attached to me, so I could keep a close eye on what he was doing. He certainly wasn't allowed in the bedrooms as he fancied marking on the soft furnishings/beds/clothes too. I also made sure he toileted after meals and regularly, like a pup, with rewards for going outside. I didn't let him mark during walks or drag me over to every tree, he was allowed time to mark at the park and that was it. From memory, The Spotted Devil hopefully will give you some great advice about this issue. A belly band might make life easier for you while you have him inside though. I found Drive washing detergent awesome for getting rid of the stinky smell!

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I just had tears in my eyes from reading those Haribo reviews! Surely they can't possibly be real?!

Without having looked at him, it doesn't sound like a UTI. You would expect to see him possibly going inside, going multiple times or trying to, straining to go, crying while peeing or licking himself a lot. Also UTIs are much less common in males. If he is bright, toileting normally at other times and eating/drinking normally, with no other symptoms, I wouldn't rush to the vet.

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Do you want him to only sleep in his crate at night (with the door open) or are you happy to have him sleep other places so long as he doesn't disturb you? Our Lab has her crate and her bed on the floor in our room, she knows that those are the two options (although we still crate her a lot overnight). If she bothers me I just say 'uh uh, on your bed', roll over, pull the covers up and ignore her. I found that if I got up to re-crate her I woke everyone else up and had a harder time getting back to sleep. It didn't take her long to realise that I'm an unfriendly grouch when I'm in my bed :laugh: She was very good and never persisted for long, if she did then I would remove that freedom, as everyone else has mentioned. I had to gradually open up more rooms at night as, rather than disturb me, she would sneak around in the dark devising ways to steal all the cat biscuits and other coveted household items.

http://www.mosmanvet.com.au/Blog/tabid/21948/EntryId/509/NSW-PET-TREATS-LINKED-TO-KIDNEY-FAILURE-What-to-avoid.aspx Most people reading this probably already avoid imported treats, but just in case...

Do you think he could just be extremely biddable, like a good gun dog generally should be? When we got our Lab I thought she was a bit slow for a few reasons - she didn't offer many behaviours, didn't have that cheeky independent spark and just waited to be told what to do. But when I started training her to do complex tricks, I realised that the intelligence is definitely there, she just had a different, people-pleasing approach to what I was used to. She's not flashy but she is a steady, consistent, no-fuss learner with an outstanding memory.

Happy news that Miss Cheeky is doing brilliantly in her new home and will be staying. Thanks everyone for the help and advice :) Here's a pic of her with her new friend, definitely some mischief about to happen...

Hi Tania, thanks for your interest :) This girl is going really well in her trial home so far, looks like she will be staying but it is still early days. I'll keep the thread updated when I hear more about how she is going, but it's looking great at the moment - hurray!

Sorry didn't refresh and see earlier post.

Multilobular osteochondrosarcoma?

Well our special girl has gone on trial with a lovely family They really liked her and the two Keeshond seemed to get along well, although obviously time will tell. I was really happy with her as she didn't jump all over them and remembered (most of) her manners even though she was super excited. Sad to see her go but hopefully it will be her happy ending :)

We have a very nice-sounding potential adopter coming to meet Cheeky Miss tomorrow, fingers crossed! They already have one Keeshond which is great and just what I was hoping for :)

Yes I have reported the previous owners, particularly as there were other dogs on the property and I didn't even see the state of those poor creatures. Excuses were made but at the end of the day, this dog would have been better off being surrendered a long time ago I have some feedback from a breeder that she is likely to be purebred. In my experience it's not really a breed that the backyard breeders have got hold of yet? The only Keeshonds I have met have been from registered breeders and even then I've only seen a few in Sydney. There are quite a few breeders listed on DOL that are located to the north-west of Sydney, which is where this girl came from, so it's possible. The owners argued at length that she was purebred and that they paid $1400 for her... who knows what the truth is though. Anyway, I'm really not sure about that crazy ear hair though :laugh:

In those pics you can see the extra black wispy bits of hair coming off the sides/back of the ears which made me think she was definitely a cross, also the darker shading on the paws. The ruff under the chin and on the chest seems very dark for a Keeshond too, but it's hard to tell if lighter hair could grow back there now. She seems pretty flashy in her gait for a Keeshond too, but I'm no expert. Either way she's pretty cute. Lots of spark and fizz and keen for a job to do :)

Happy smile after a long walk (and loving the air conditioner!)

So happy to be living the indoors life :laugh: