Lablover

Haven and Yogibear,

Simple commands I do indeed too feel dogs understands better, so I agree (in a way). Sit means SIT.

I just find (and this probably is a direct result of my old obedience habits) depending on the dog, repetitive commands regarding sit helps young dogs, as I may and probably do add distractions (and training more retriever related concepts) earlier than most.

Oh damm I missed out.

I don't have a stay command. The use of a release command negates the need.

I can understand after the stay/wait or prolonged sit (until commanded otherwise) is known, but when training the exercise as well?

Retrieving DVD's. Boring for some, but I love them. Often they repeat on what other productions I have, but if I gain one new idea I am happy. If they show something I do not agree with, that is fine, as it stimulates my thought process on why why why they think it works.

Lablover have a look on the dogwise site they have the books.

Is it very heavy reading HR.....?

It does look very interesting though! Might buy it!

So you would definately recommend it HR?

Cheers

Thanks all volumes are on their site.

My husband banned me from spending any more money on books, DVDs and videos about a month ago.

I will just have to sneak this lot in and thank him afterwards (at a suitable time).

I also bought two new dog DVD's yesterday, so I will be thanking him a while. I might just say they are presents for him.

Yeeeeeeessssss, that works for me.

Ebay nearly always has copies of Koehler

Koehler had his place and has his place still in history, but I like to think dog training has moved on.

I wonder what books will be available when we are all gone? How I wish I could see into the future. What other markers will be available? Laser clickers, LOL?

:D It had better be good for $291 Herr Rott! Thanks for the suggestion though.

Where did you find the books.

I found volume III on another site but I could not find volume 1 and 2.

Can dogs read, LOL?

Once again, I forgot to add a certain important word - I apologise - (which may impact on our thoughts and your reply????????, I meant to add in full fight.

I will not muddy the waters by adding scent conditions.

I need to get back to the typing in word for the two discussions which are now causing me a severe headache, LOL.

LL:

CAN DOGS PANT AND SCENT AT THE SAME TIME??????????

K9: At a seminar in Kentucky, it was explained that dogs interpret scent via a membrane at the rear of the tongue. Scent can be inhaled via mouth or nose, then adhere to the membrane for signalling to the brain.

So I will say yes & I have seen it done also.

Strike me pink. Another subject close to my heart. With all these thoughts acting as reminders, bumping around my brain, I definitely feel a headache coming on.

I do not believe that dogs can "heavily" pant and scent at the same time. One reason why a good marking dog on marked retrieves is a blessing. Along this thought why dogs, in the wrong amateur trainers hands, may feel too much pressure (via pressue tools and pressure training) and with resultant extra stress do not mark well.

K9: complicated or not, tell us... lol

Man, your tough. Trying to explain is going to give me a headache. I will try to give it a go after lunch. I need to make come calls. Excuses excuses excuses!!!!!

PS How I do in prey drive is more fun but too complicated for me to explain, LOL.

I cheat a little and forget what I learnt when I did obedience training.

My dogs know sit pretty early. And as I feel vocal cues are the last thing dogs marry up with a command, a use sit and give a hand signal. Eventually I start using stay or wait.

I have no shame in repeating sit sit sit as say distance becomes a factor.

I haven't got to picking up roadkill myself, but I am sure one day, I will.

Never say never is my motto.

Every time I have bid on Ebay I never seem to end up with the item. I am always overbid. There is apparently a method to have secret - silent bids (or something like that, right?

Sorry about my silliness. My darling mum is being dicharged again from hospital tomorrow. Yippppeeee.

Yep. I wear anything. The last thing I worry about nowadays is my clothes. My only sister never understands, as she is a real show pony and she thinks I am a disgrace. I used to be a 5 star girl before my dog life. I really really was.

$5.50 what a bargain. Beautiful. Would have liked it myself actually, LOL.

What you going to wash it in? Are you going to scent it?

I used to train in football fields as they have no cover when teaching a concept.

EVERY time I went (and this park is relatively quiet through the day-semi rural park), someone with an untrained dog who allow their dogs to worry mine. It used to drive me nuts. As distance from myself and the dog would normally be significant, I did normally have the opportunity to stop the dog before reaching the retrieving article so guarding/fighting over the retrieving object was not a real problem. BUT every so often the dog would chase mine close to the article and a few heart stopping moments did occur. Really I used to worry more about dogs chasing mine in attack mode, as I suppose my dogs looked as though they were running away.

As I train in featureless fields away from the public nowadays I am certainly more relaxed.

Regarding dogs sight here is a good link:

http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/LA/davis2.htm

Another subject on this thread:

CAN DOGS PANT AND SCENT AT THE SAME TIME??????????

Toller - Canada/US. Their junior AKC hunt tests are cute. I wish ours were as newbie friendly. Man, their Open field trials are amazing!!!!!!!!!!

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Staffords rule:

I am just about to go to bed and to tell you the truth I worried about my terminology all night.

I did not mean to type "cute" I meant FAIR. I think because they have attention seekers and shots (and in field trials throwers in white), at the very least the dog have the opportunity to see the marks.

BTW, it is not necessary to have a shooters license.

Like every day, LOL.

Join us!!!

Remember it is life changing and a certain mad glow occurs at the oddest times.

Thanks Herr Rottweiler.

I have a little distrust of some training organisations as a few contacts, have certificates are not very good dog people. Years ago I also telephoned for advice regarding a training problem. One US president of the club was visiting so came to observe too.

They asked me some questions and off to the paddocks we went. I noticed them talking together from a distance and thought, good O, they will have some great advice. After an hour or two they left saying they would get back in contact with me. I never heard from them again. They did not send me a bill either.

You know, I might just give them a ring on Monday, I am very interested in their gundog work of course.

Thanks Mel.

Good to know. Just in case I ever want to s....st....stu......stud........study again.

I thought my days of wanting to do so were well past.

There's nothing wrong with training dogs for financial gain either. Some people, like myself and others on this list have invested 10's of thousands of dollars on their education and setup to benefit people in need.

Of course there isn't. I did not for a second mean to belittle anyone whatever their employment is.

I have not attended any set courses, but trust me I have spent lots of $$ travelling overseas trying to learn.

My favourite collars are the ones I was given on a trip of the US. They are bright mutlicoloured collars (so easy to find when left on a dog stake) used primarily for E collars. Lots of holes and as strong as I have ever found.

I will post a photo if anyone likes. I cannot find a web site for them at the moment.

National Dog Trainers Federation

Just for interest what does this course cost? I cannot locate the information on the web site.

Do people who have no wish, like me, do the course just for their information and not to w.......ww.......wo..........wor...........( I am trying) to say the word

........work for financial gain.

I think someone should invent unchewable leather leads, LOL and come to think of it unchewable trailer leads, car mud flaps and the like.

How I love training in paddocks (and in cooler weather-but then I have cold water tail to worry about if they are confined when still damp) where my dogs can safely be returned to their permanent metal crates in my vehicle.