Lablover

Thanks for the PM Ness. I am not entirely sure what I am after either!!!

:D A friend who I admire, went to a five day clicker seminar in the US. Five days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clickers have always been simply a marker, to me. Nevertheless, I have an open mind (most times anyway LOL) I am enquiring who is the best clicker (focusing on canines) person in Australia?. Private sessions would be best, but a seminar would be OK I suppose.

Ayra, Your training friends and yourself have provided explanations, especially related to training. Another question, sorry.......but what do you do through the week with her, day to day? Maybe further socialisation in new situations may help? Maybe, not doing any obedience training for a while? Has she ever had (training) time off?

Try it at training at 200 yards or more with high level diversions. Its fun.

Na, LOL, still do not get it. Anyone have a scientific study on time outs? And I suppose I am being anal.......as I tend to be regarding behaviour. "Time outs are a form of punishment. Punishment does not build behaviour; only reinforcement can build behaviour. Punishment can only suppress behaviour." As mentioned every study I have read, as is above. Often I wonder why we make dog training so hard, nevertheless!!!

I just noticed you have 4 dogs. 5 would be better, only joking. It is Friday night afterall. Ted simply needs to learn manners. You will get there. Keep your standards high and try your best to concentrate on him, when visitors arrive. Joke of the night, to keep it all light hearted, especially with your need for more friends. FRIENDS SAY I AM POPULAR............they both say that, actually.

Yes, she sure is Lablover. I guess it is part of her temperament, genetic I feel looking at her breeding, so will always be there but well hidden now. She has improved out of sight in the last twelve months. Used to exhibit really bad dog aggression, do silly stuff, frightened of her own shadow on one hand and acting really fear aggressive on the other and really submissive to people (luckily!!!). I know it seems obvious, doesn't it. My current prob is just an extension of this. But... if you could see the dog now. Nobody would know what she was like before if they hadn't seen it at the time. She is stable and a great worker everywhere else, be it on the footy ground with footballs flying over her head and big guys jumping about (not kidding, I've trained quite a bit in this situation) to not even turning a hair at starting guns going off at kids sports days. Happy to work anywhere anytime cos she loves it... but in that one place, the trial ring on the actual day. Arya, You have obviously worked very hard, trying to settle her demons. I doubt she will ever be a easy champion of the world obedience dog. Could she be a good competitor? I do not see why not, as you have already achieved somuch with her. How fast does she bounce back after going into avoidance? What do you consider her level of drive? Low, moderate, high? Are you consistently trying to amp her up, at training? Is she fun to train, or a chore? Fun from a level to 0 to 10, 10 being the highest? What is her level of "fun" while you train her 0 to 10?

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Damm right Every so often, I still feel as though I have to bite my tongue (I rarely loose my temper) when one of my dogs may not be perfect as I expect. From time to time I might cue them with a totally unknown word, and watch their body language. One will cock their head every time. One will lower an ear. One will try to jump on me. One will stare with an unusual look. The 13 year old does not really care, and walks away, but she is retired. How I love watching canine behaviour, especially in a pack situation.

I should imagine without a large correction phase (similar in style to a snake proofing program), and training, it would happen again. Bearing in mind the mix of the dog, separation fencing is best. Obviously the ducks are pets - and no longer able to fly and escape?

Thanks Faolmor, If time outs have worked for your dogs, .....that's good. I have no doubt that it may "settle" some dogs. Perfect precorrection timing and cues would be required, - for the non ideal behaviour, as some dogs may think as they sniffed the floor on the way to the time out area, may be the reason for time out? All the same, does a dog understand the reasons for time outs. Being sent outside the house, when we think it is time for them to pee or empty? When at the end of a good training session or at a trial, and it is placed into its crate? Taken away from its satisfaction area? I think I need further explanation, LOL. I would be more than interested to read why Ms James dogs (not dog - any significance?) requires, time out, periods.

Did she start licking you and OH, before the allergy became apparent?

Do you have a command for "off the couch" ie off. If taught OFF, simply reward (whatever you use) for obeyed commands. I like taking every possible to proof and reward. Bores most non doggie visitors though LOL.

Arya, A question if I may, just for clarification. Your dog is nervy?

Is the dog left with the ducks? Or when they accessible?

Hey all, Help me out. Why do you think, time outs, work?

Arya, Well, if something ain't working, we need as trainers to change tact. Certainly has been true, for my chosen games. Currently I have two dogs in All Age, who require my thinking cap, to be placed once again firmly on my head.

Oh yes, give more opportunity to shape their behaviour, and all that. Sounds like a fun dog, with good nerves. Go for IT. As others have mentioned, more information required.

Tangwyn, another fan of your reply. I often wonder due to semantics etc, results in confusing replies. Obviously seeing the dog would certainly help LOL. But really.........all positive. If I was a puppy, warm and comfortable after a fun day and a good meal. Woken up, picked up and taken outside into the cold, to eventually pee or poo, would this be considered positive training? Its all good, having these discussions. Fun too.

If I was a dog I would prefer liver treats and cooked chicken. In what context are you using food as rewards? If indeed this is when you offer - different - foods?. I would stick, to a favourite. I am off to read your other thread.

Yet another reply which has me nodding my head. That being said, Ayra, unfortunately bad habits - being ring smart, can be difficult to change. Obviously your dog shuts down, starting 5 metres (was that the distance you mentioned?), from the ring. What training methods do you use? Corrections? Have you had a friend video you in the ring and at training, to compare? Do you become nervous? Dogs can smell fear/nerves.

Release from training, yes......but not from control.

I like your reply. The old ---- unrewarded behaviour will eventually cease, mind set. Hopefully wanted behaviour will take place. It depends........ on us, with our communication/training skills. I intermittently wonder when I am training my 4 competition dogs, when they are jumping out of their skins barking, PICK ME, pick me, pick me, if they would be willing to do, what I require as much if I had a smaller pack. One thing I would do, if I had a single dog, would be to play with a reward, and have the dog tied up and watching, or better still have another friends or stranger dogs play. Anticipation and all that. Dogs are like us, we are like satisfaction.