Lablover

Really!!!!!! Geeeeeee. Having a bit of fun, after all its Friday night.

Denis, I have seen wanton abuse also, when a dog fails and trainers beat their dogs up behind a tree. Our limbs can be dangerous, hands and feet. The main reason why I have organised 3 seminars, by US trainers. They do teach teach teach teach teach. Very well actually.

Fair enough, my heart used to be in my mouth from time to time when the dogs skidded to a stop, backflipped and turned so suddenly, their limbs, neck and spine, in my opinion were compromised. On this topic, I do think I rewarded incorrectly due to rewarding for, their successes which were past the time frame, a dog "thinks". Rewarding made me feel good, but pretty useless for the dog. I still see this, when I watch slow returns etc being praised at obedience classes. Well, completely off topic now. LOL.

How far can you throw a piece of food? Mind you I do understand, throwing retrieves would, end up further away. Just thought it be worthwhile to add my concern regarding physical injury and long term affects.

I have seen collar conditioning in the US, quite a long process. As every trainer or highly regarded amateur trainer has stated, the beauty of the collar is that is it so easy to use. The other side in inexperienced hands, abuse is just as easy.

It would take me forever to explain why and when I throw rewards. But for interest, does it worry you throwing rewards relatively short distances, and the dog injuring themselves?

Watched a few other of your clips. Glad to see you train during the day too. LLOL. The cat at the door is cute. Suggestion, mind you, obedience trials are no longer my thing, but I have been thinking about entering a couple again. Is there a reason why you reward with food so often? No problem....but just wondering? (as this clicker training is alien to me, not the concept just the clicker). Also you tend to move/shuffle into position instead of the dog. Yet another problem I have intermittently.

Glad it was not only me AGAIN. But looking back at the title the poster did type military flip when heeling, so once again I was not paying attention.

OK. I got it finally. I thought it was a flip finish also. I like so many others flip finish after a retrieve. Fun to have them flip from front to side to front to side to front etc etc etc. My dogs enjoy the game.

Because I was invited to. ML, I happened upon this thread and agree with you. There is no way, even at a retrieving trial where I know everyone, I would offer a puppy as a prize.

I agree with using any tool which helps the dog. Mind you when I first visited the US and observed force fetch for weeks on end during basics training, I was lucky I wearing sunglasses to hide my tears.

Yes. To tell you the truth, I have no idea, why the question even popped into my head.

So many posts and I do not know how to multiple quote (still LOL). Every experienced trainer I have ever spoken to feels that positive trainers achieve 95% success with their dogs, those who mix methods achieve 99%. Do trainers who have achieved their top goals agree? All say novice positive trainers take lesser risks, except for the dog in the case of food rewards, can get fat. I do think WS and for example Herr R, have come across some hard wired dogs, who may thrive on pressure and excitement. Lets say a working keplie or border collie, is rake conditioning, considered positive? Onward bound we go. Interesting topic.

I did find a relatively recent study, the only one I know, of its kind. Not relevant, to the topic, but thought provoking all the same. Probably should have been attached to another thread? http://www.ust.is/media/ljosmyndir/dyralif...shockcollar.pdf

Quote? Gee Haven, your tough. I will be typing all night.

For sure. Otherwise they can sleep on someone else's couch. But with my lot, a little less desire would sometimes be easier. Talking to a friend and they are thinking about importing a US working line labrador. Woo hoooooo.

Thanks Erny. How did this theory help with your past dogs?

Good questions, probably not .....simply become confused with all the various replies. Hard to keep track who's who also. I am training my 4 dogs, and every one is soooooooo different, two as tough as old boots, two sensitive but high desire. All love obedience with no rewards, nowdays. Operant? Theory 101 perhaps??? :D

O, we have agreed. Good, lovely.......perfect!!!!.

Do you agree with the studies: In almost every situation, classical conditioning will override operant conditioning, during times of stress or excitement? And if you agree, how does this affect your training?

Have we finished yet? (Cringing but with a smile on my face). Husband away tonight, no cooking!!!! I do not think we are ever going to agree. I should imagine: how dogs learn BEST will always be open to debate. Just as the human education/school system. Along this line of thought, every dog is different. ie: Do our personalities affect how we train our dogs? Do your dog's "personality" affect how you train? Does your required level of behaviour affect how you train? All further posts would still be interesting.

The link was cute. I dance differently with my dogs though. But its all good!!!!!!

Why not simply teach QUIET? Swain, the difficulty arises when you are not there to control the barking. Bad habits are very easily learnt, most trainers would say, easier (less reps) than good habits/behaviour.

You know all, just read the dog, have a conscience, and train the damm thing.

Mrsdog, Thanks and also everyone thankyou. Far be it, for me to not accept such an opporunity, but............the Australian retrieving State champship is on that weekend. With the Australian National on 26th, 27th and 28th. Then I am back to America to observe their Open national, and a seminar in Texas.