Lablover

Wish it was English translated. The dog was paddling, which would have lost points in my game. Short retrieves etc.......that being said/typed a good dog is a good dog.

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance. Just an extra question, as I am finally cooking dinner for long suffering husband, not bad as I have been home for 9 nights out of the last 48. How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves? What HAVE you been up to Julie????? Will have to catch up soon! Do not ask darling. Travelling around the country side, getting bogged in dirt roads (alone) while toiletting the dogs. Staying a couple of nights ago at a place near Stawell, where I expected Norman Bates to jump out while I showered. What a trip. Now girl, serious question, please run Yo again. He is fresh, as he was left at home with long suffering.

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance. Just an extra question, as I am finally cooking dinner for long suffering husband, not bad as I have been home for 9 nights out of the last 48. How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves?

What you click is what you enforce, just like any other re enforcement. I often wonder, why negative re enforcement, or avoidance training worked. Were dogs more high drive generally? Are show lines taking over as pets? After all there is not much warrant for working line dogs nowadays in Australia. Teach teach teach then proof. I would prefer a seen sermon, to a spoken one!!!!!!!!!

When is the male barking?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance. Yes I have, mind you, in years (decades!!! LOL), gone by when I was a gym junkie. Hard to believe looking at me nowadays.

That's an excellent point LL. ha ha. I admit to being totally phobic regarding mouth problems. I think I am an expert as to the reasons why it is caused. I wish I was NOT!!!!!!!!! Luckily does not seem tooooo genetic. My problematic mouth boy sired the recently crowned 2008 Australian national retriever winner.

Erny so glad someone else has added to this thread. I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

A few weeks ago I noted my 6 year old labrador who had suffered "cold water tail" as a youngster on a regular basis, holding his tail similar to the past condition. It did not resolve and pain did not seem significant. Physical examination was normal. Last week I noted a lump near the base of the tail. Upon vet consultation, (not my normal vet as I away interstate), the vet suggested an old injury/fracture, which has gone onto ligament damage. Amputation suggested at the fracture site if pain is noted. So far luckily, this has not occurred.

If I may, is TPLO, the surgery of choice with active over 30 kg dogs? Do you consider tibial angulation a significant predosing injury factor? Do you consider high incidence of CCL tears genetic? Thankyou.

Never say never - all the same I would be concerned a squeeker could cause possible bite/nouth problems. After having a hard mouth labrador, my number one fear/horror is somehow developing another. That being said, WE can squeek/encourage etc when warranted, I suppose.

Invisible? But vibrating. Still interesting!!!!!!! You may remember my US field bred labrador is a teeth chatterer - excess drive, some call it. He looks odd intermittently when he delivers, as his low jaw quivers, sometimes excessively. Luckily no hard mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

If she did IT again, try to video next time. Microshakes?? Interesting!!!!!!!

Damm conflict!!!!!. Hey, keep it simple. Dogs and some humans do best that way.

Sorry to focus on the above sentences, but why will he tug with your trainer and not you? Also you stated you take both dogs to the park? We are buy fancy training aids (heck I tow a trailer full of training equipment LOL).......a piece of garden hose may suit?

Exericse induced collapse is considered rare in Australian labradors. All the same, thought worthwhile posting this test, which was released in the US last Monday. http://www.cvm.umn.edu/vdl/ourservices/can...cular/home.html

Optigen released this DNA test on 25th July 2008. http://www.optigen.com/opt9_rdosd.html The condition is not considered common in Australian labradors, but thought it worthwhile to post. Genetic Technologies will be offering the test shortly.

My mutts/darlings LOL, were weaned off Eagle Pack Power and introduced to Armetis Power. They all seem to be surviving and no real change noted, in the 6 week period since complete change over. So happy so far. When I visit farms, and note hard working kelpies being fed say Bonnie with raw meat, I often ponder my feed costs. I worry more what goes down my dogs gurglers than my own!!!

WS, Returned from Norma's property yesterday, after training there for a week. Good to see some rain up there. Soaked on Sunday though LOL (and damm cold). So disappointed that Rick Smith's seminar clashes with the Victorian State retrieving championships. How have the field trials been for you?

The easiest way to teach a good recall, is before bad habits are instilled. That food bowl, you use to feed, split in every way (start short, distractions, proofing), at every opportunity. Think of the various chances you have......not just from a book or DVD. Jackpot for good responses, or whatever the dog prefers. The rest will come......or "here". Main problem is, mere humans move too fast. Repeat, repeat, repeat......

Molly is so cute. Her photo is lovely +++++++++.

Gawd, forgive me........here I go. How to start. Been a big day. Dogs senses. Human senses. A comparison. Lets say you have a small pip in your mouth. You know it is small........your tongue "tells" you otherwise...the pip feels huge. The last "pip" your dog acknowledges is vocal cues. The largest "pip" is body language. Should I add reply. Gawd......my addition makes no sense. The bottom line is think like a dog.

Re: Past conferences The proof is in the pudding. That said, a couple of names have high regard in some circles. Anyone who has attended a conference/seminar by multiple World experts, smiles from time to time with conflicting views - WHICH IS GOOD!!!!!!!! Keeps the mind working. Also terminology can be confusing. Personally I do not think future dog training can be MUCH improved. What works WORKS.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, another question added: (6) Human/canine hearing differences and why?