Lablover

Remember guys and gals, goodness I dislike saying this......be a confident pack leader. Do not mummy a nervous dog or praise/enforce incorrectly. That being said, I do not think there is one trainer on earth who has not made mistakes with their dogs. How I laughed one day, many moons ago when a wolf reseacher commented, if you seen one wolf you seen them all. Nevertheless a nervous dog's temperament can be difficult to change. Just like a human!

Normally after a seminar comments are made..........everyone have fun and learn?

Ummmmm, Ummmmmmmm, Ummmmmmmm to what standard, fun retrieves, obedience trialling standard, or retrieving trial standard? (i) Guess LOL. (ii) Three generations and one import. (iii) Obviously LOL apart from import, trained very young, ie I used to hey hey hey them, when 4 weeks of age to cue feeding time. Yank I insisted was not trained using avoidance/escape techniques, or FF. The rearers certainly bless their hearts, thought he heeled and recalled quite well. They were obviously joking. (iv) Both (v) Depends on dog

Just a thought as I read this thread, have you started on 2 gloves,3 gloves? Remember to have large separation (even a fence or for that matter in the house using walls) and gloves easily seen, short send outs at first. I also wonder about a poster not advising calling the dog back for poor choices..........I think it depends on the dog and us, as the trainer. I tend to call back immediately-but it does depend on the dogs attitude.

I bet he settles down. Young and a kelpie........aaaaaa haaaaa, makes more sense now.

Have you tried having the crate in your vehicle, as he seems to enjoy it? How do you know he is not yawning (sometimes a sign of stress) etc, if he is in the ute? Does he seem as stressed when not in the harness? Thanks for answering Lablover. Unfortunately the crate won't fit in the car. It is 48 inches and because i travel with the kids there is just no way to put in a smaller one. He grew out of the blue and white airline crate so i had to upgrade and get a wire one. O/h thinks it is because he feels "at home" in his crate as it is his bed and his sanctuary so we fold it up and take it when we go on overnight trips or trips when we need to use the work ute. The harness doesn't make a difference because he doesn't always wear it on short trips when he sits on the floor at my feet. I would say that he associates the harness as something exciting. I'm certain that he is much happier in his crate because he sits on the back sucking in the wind and he looks like he is enjoying himself. I watch him through the back window (I'm a bit paranoid about having him out their even in his secured crate) and he just acts totally different to what he is like inside the car. I have not seen him do the yawning thing but yes obviously i can't watch him all the time and can't hear him if he is doing it. He tries to suck air through the vents in the car and even when i have it turned up all the way it's just not the same. He sits there with it blowing in his face and his ears flapping I tend to do the same when i feel car sick? Does he seem as stressed when a window is open? Is he generally a nervous type? When I boat fished, I used to read books even in rather large swells, so motion sickness has never been a problem . BTW, I have no doubt he feels comfortable his crate. My dogs love theirs.

I have previously tried teaching her this way, but with basically the same result - her throwing the dumbell across the room, even if I remove my hands for a nanosecond. How frustrating. What does she do, when you keep gently holding her jaw closed? Any chance someone could Youtube the both of you?

Thanks. I am unfamiliar with the Chong method. Every time I see a clicker video or such, trying to teach hold and/or retrieve, it seems to me they are causing mental stress to the dog. Teaching hold simply seems easier to me. Gently holding their lower jaw closed and praising. Nevertheless GOOD LUCK.

Try to control where he runs, like a hall way first. Stir the pup up by with a happy gay voice and movement of article - I use a sock or orther soft due to puppy teeth and shortly teething. Practice recalls without a retrieve, before feeding and treat him his meals or special food, which I prefer soft - chicken etc. Chewing dry kibble delays training as they chew and swallow. Short retrieves at first and allow him to keep the prize for a while at the same time. I pat them and vocal praise. See how you go and report please. Make sure the puppy is not tired before training. Toilet first. I also may drag an article for the pup to chase.

Sorry, I am confused by your posts. Can I ask, you are trying to teach hold? Retrieve to me means bringing the item back. I would teach hold first myself. Using a favoured item. You seem to be becoming frustrated, and excuse me if I am wrong, ubt I would stop using the dumbell for a while. If something ain't working ----change is my motto!!!

Have you tried having the crate in your vehicle, as he seems to enjoy it? How do you know he is not yawning (sometimes a sign of stress) etc, if he is in the ute? Does he seem as stressed when not in the harness?

Why not flip the couch over, before you leave home, making it uncomfortable. Of course, make sure it is safely balanced.

Its a shame the ANKC are anti Schutzhund.

Generally when an owner tightens the lead, which is obvious to the dog, tension results. I should imagine by your post, you have offered diversions, when passing the dogs by the fence, which I should expect your dogs know are contained. Was he hungry, do you usually feed him after your morning walks?

Sorry Kavik, Are all the exercises the same sequence in every French class around the world ie no different pattern requirements. Also do they have levels ie like our obedience novice to UD?

Makes sense to me!!!!!!!

Reddii, you must not, from time to time check the general forum as many debates have ruffled feathers. Australia has predominantly show lines, due to owners and breeders, which is fine if that is their interest. I have no real idea on GSDs being one example, especially regarding health, form/function, but some roached backs worry me.

Kavik, I definitely need new glasses, I thought originally the tests were in France, until I noticed the vehicles. Are exercises the same routine in the French classes?

Never give up!!!!!!! Its a dog trial, remember.......not a murder trial. Relax........yeah right!!!!!!! Good luck next time.

[quote name='Erny' date='5th Sep 2008 - 01:01 PM' post='2970547'. Or could that perhaps be my impression because of the circles I mix in? It would be very sad indeed if the working-line angle was to become completely lost. Yes indeed, often thought Australia was becoming too regulated, including canine opportunities. Hunting being a perfect example. Urbanisation, drought etc. NZ looks good!!!!!! Relatively close, long suffering had suggested moving in the past. Mind you I was surprised with their general prices and house costs, while touring a year ago.

How old is he? When did he come home from the boarding kennel? Was he in a run with another dog, or next to other dogs? Do you train him?

Keeping training, many owners like this type of dog. Better than the being timid.

I'm probably still a bit lost because I'm not sure if your question is supposed to be relating to the OP's post or not? But regardless, to answer, I have seen numerous - mostly in protection and scent detection work but also in other fields as well. In some instances I have unfortunately seen numbers with unsound temperament/nerves being trained for these roles as well. Of course also in my line of work I see plenty with high desire and unsound temperament/nerves. If what you mean by "desire" is "drive", I have seen dogs with many varying levels, but then I see many different breeds, breed lines and individuals within breeds as well, and would imagine other trainers would have seen the same variances amongst their own canine clients. But I'm still unsure as to how this question relates here, or how the answer to it is of any interest ???? Sorry - perhaps due to the lateness of the hour and a lack of sleep over the last few nights, I am not comprehending the reason for your questioning and therefore my answer may not be targetting your question accurately. Sorry Erny, My posts were (or rather ARE) difficult to follow. Not many people own high drive dogs, rather sensible of them I think some days!!!!!! As a result have little experience in observing somewhat unwanted behaviour. Even a friend who owns a SMF, who is a retrieving manic, but a lovely dog becomes frustrated with it, as it throws a ball to fresh hands/visitors, after we have given up playing.

.... Not sure of the point of your question, LL ??? Sorry for the confusion. As every breeder, owner, or trainer would acknowlege, traits are important, the failure of which is one TRAIT, at a time, weather it be health, working ability, temperament. Show dogs well..........enough said. Beauty queens/kings have never been a primary concern of mine. So I was wondering as a trainer, how many successful dog have you seen with high desire, and sound temperatment/nerves.?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance. Just an extra question, as I am finally cooking dinner for long suffering husband, not bad as I have been home for 9 nights out of the last 48. How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves? What HAVE you been up to Julie????? Will have to catch up soon! Do not ask darling. Travelling around the country side, getting bogged in dirt roads (alone) while toiletting the dogs. Staying a couple of nights ago at a place near Stawell, where I expected Norman Bates to jump out while I showered. What a trip. Now girl, serious question, please run Yo again. He is fresh, as he was left at home with long suffering. Sounds like fun! Uni has settled down for a bit and I'd love to have a session with you all (not to mention a glass of red!) - will give you a call soon Sorry for OT I am sure original poster will not mind. Please advise if so. Have you entered any obedience etc trials yet?