Lablover

I definitely remember Kate admitting her mutts shed. Is that the question??? She did confirm yes. Labradors shed +++++.

She was honest, "some are plain looking", which I noted during her photo display. Maybe one becomes used to such, after all my focus is in working lines. On a plus side, during her presentation, she included personal data, where she surveyed past puppy buyers. 62% (from memory) responded, from a total number of ?????, very few with hip dysplasia significantly less than those with skin disorders. I have bred a labrador with horrific "atrophy", so I was all ears ...at the very least paid more attention.

The presenter does not breed beyond a first cross. Where does she locate her pedigreed dogs? She spoke of her desire for purebred breeders to be more receptive to selling her their dogs.She felt she would be able to offer us feedback on how our dogs went in the breeding department and what they were producing. ;) :p She did say that she had never bred past a first cross but on her website she speaks about how she is breeding on in the hope she can reduce shedding and has photos and descropitions of them. So either she told fibs yesterday or I misunderstood what she said or she tells fibs on her website. FI (labrador/poodle) shedding? Was that not covered, by Dr Goddard? Pauline Bennett, spoke of parasites (she or another paraphrasing Ray Coppinger?), well... "it" certainly fit when Kate spoke, from her written notes.

The presenter does not breed beyond a first cross. Where does she locate her pedigreed dogs?

Own up attendees, who else test "jumped" their dogs? Some more interesting articles. Free. Some journals require payment. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=P...6bbd5d7d4aca020 Don't tell me you blind sided poor Yank! One of my "excitable" labradors. Actually all my boys show excessive behavior traits. Oh, the shame.

Own up attendees, who else test "jumped" their dogs? Some more interesting articles. Free. Some journals require payment. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=P...6bbd5d7d4aca020

Erny, Does this help, a published paper mentioned yesterday. http://www.biol.ntnu.edu.tw/yuyinghs/yuyin...llJAVMA2003.pdf

Overall I enjoyed the day. Dogs can read minds?? I realise they are great body and environment readers, but read human minds? My main focus is on working labradors. Lucky governments and/or colony breeders have been interested in health and working and behaviour including inheritability for a long period of time. Example this conference: http://www.pennvetwdc.org/Working_Dog_Conference.html

BTW, apparently there is 249 attending.

Does Deerhoundowner wish for me to pick him/her up from the airport as well - I'm going to be there anyway ??? Elfin - was it yourself who spoke with me wanting to come with me to the seminar? Deerhoundowner is flying in this afternoon, but thank you so much for the offer. I am taking the dawgs to the train station to meet her so that she knows who I am. Hopefully I will be the only person at Darling Station with three Deerhounds!!! We will be getting a taxi to the seminar but would love to meet you there before we go in... So it's Erny, Steve, Elfin and deerhoundowner... anyone else? goldchow too Me too.

We opted for the vinyl slats. Love them. Tiles did not appeal due to grout, coldness and harder to clean. Our house is built on a concrete slab. The vinyl slates look good, tough, surprisingly soft under foot and warm. The textured slats help our five labs to grip the surface also. Problem is the original poster has wooden floors, no idea myself on the durability of the particular wood. In one house we had baltic, which we sanded before sale. Carpet and dogs - never again.

To my knowledge, there is no test for epilepsy in ANY breed, least of all Labradors. The above quote is contradictory. "Idiopathic" - adjective used primarily in medicine meaning arising spontaneously or from an obscure or unknown cause. (Wiki) If the cause is spontaneous or unknown, how can there be a test for it? I am aware of research on tests for epilepsy, however I don't believe there has been any breakthrough yet, particularly in Labs. If epilepsy is autosomal recessive in Labs, then I'm a monkey's uncle :nahnah: In my experience, I would bet on epilepsy being polygenic and in practical terms behaving as a dominant with incomplete penetrance. Anyone that has witnessed an EIC collapse and an epileptic seizure, of whatever variety, would not mistake one for the other. However the explanation of the physical characteristics of either (or for that matter heat stroke) as related to a vet by an anxious owner (after the dog in question has returned to normal) may lead to a confused and/or mistaken diagnosis. Sylvia Stop it Sylvia!!!! You had me checking pedigrees again!! Reminds me yet again of our old friend MC. Wow!!!!!!! http://www.pnas.org/content/106/33/14085.a...24-f1561bcfabfb Mutation I810N in the α3 isoform of Na+,K+-ATPase causes impairments in the sodium pump and hyperexcitability in the CNS Steven J. Clapcotea,b,1, Steven Duffya, Gang Xiea, Greer Kirshenbauma,c, Allison R. Becharda, Vivien Rodacker Schackd, Janne Petersend, Laleh Sinaia,c, Bechara J. Saaba,c, Jason P. Lerche, Berge A. Minassianc,e, Cameron A. Ackerleye, John G. Sledc,e, Miguel A. Cortezc,e, Jeffrey T. Hendersonc, Bente Vilsend and John C. Rodera,c + Author Affiliations aSamuel Lunenfeld Research Institute, Mount Sinai Hospital, Toronto, ON, Canada M5G 1X5; bInstitute of Membrane and Systems Biology, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, United Kingdom; cDepartments of Medical Biophysics, Medical Genetics, Paediatrics, and Pharmaceutical Sciences, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON, Canada M5S 1A1; dDepartment of Physiology and Biophysics, Centre for Membrane Pumps in Cells and Disease–PUMPKIN, Danish National Research Foundation, University of Aarhus, DK-8000 Aarhus, Denmark; and eMouse Imaging Centre, Program in Genetics and Genome Biology, and Divisions of Neurology and Pathology, Hospital for Sick Children, Toronto, ON, Canada M5G 1X8 Abstract In a mouse mutagenesis screen, we isolated a mutant, Myshkin (Myk), with autosomal dominant complex partial and secondarily generalized seizures, a greatly reduced threshold for hippocampal seizures in vitro, posttetanic hyperexcitability of the CA3-CA1 hippocampal pathway, and neuronal degeneration in the hippocampus. Positional cloning and functional analysis revealed that Myk/+ mice carry a mutation (I810N) which renders the normally expressed Na+,K+-ATPase α3 isoform inactive. Total Na+,K+-ATPase activity was reduced by 42% in Myk/+ brain. The epilepsy in Myk/+ mice and in vitro hyperexcitability could be prevented by delivery of additional copies of wild-type Na+,K+-ATPase α3 by transgenesis, which also rescued Na+,K+-ATPase activity. Our findings reveal the functional significance of the Na+,K+-ATPase α3 isoform in the control of epileptiform activity and seizure behavior.

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To my knowledge, there is no test for epilepsy in ANY breed, least of all Labradors. The above quote is contradictory. "Idiopathic" - adjective used primarily in medicine meaning arising spontaneously or from an obscure or unknown cause. (Wiki) If the cause is spontaneous or unknown, how can there be a test for it? I am aware of research on tests for epilepsy, however I don't believe there has been any breakthrough yet, particularly in Labs. If epilepsy is autosomal recessive in Labs, then I'm a monkey's uncle :D In my experience, I would bet on epilepsy being polygenic and in practical terms behaving as a dominant with incomplete penetrance. Anyone that has witnessed an EIC collapse and an epileptic seizure, of whatever variety, would not mistake one for the other. However the explanation of the physical characteristics of either (or for that matter heat stroke) as related to a vet by an anxious owner (after the dog in question has returned to normal) may lead to a confused and/or mistaken diagnosis. Sylvia Stop it Sylvia!!!! You had me checking pedigrees again!! Reminds me yet again of our old friend MC.

Rusky, Thanks for the link. I have internet pals who live in Alaska, plus have Australian friends who have visited. Its tough racing, hardly any pure bred dogs (for health - genetic diversity), same size, pace/ stride, hot and cold conditions (and the health for both - feeding etc). Why they/the dogs run is amazing!!!

Our habits are hard to break!!!

I remember when "someone" from SA organised a seminar in Victoria, but they dropped out, so I offered my place. O the memories.

I didn't think there was too much talking. The dogs were connected with their owners watching them and their body language. I think some of the European countries are way switched on. I am also a fan of Turid Rugaas. Sorry for the confusion, how I poorly understand Hungarian, to how dogs, with any human voccal language. Dogs are great body readers. Mind you, dogs understand vocal cues more than any other animal species.

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This youtube reminds me, of how dogs (poorly)understand human language. Blah blah blah blah. Most humans simply talk too much while training their dogs. Most often trying to keep a good attitude. Edited: Added poorly.

Linked atypical epilepsy, in labradors is presumed to be an autosomal recessive...thus possibly "more" difficult to follow on pedigree analysis without full disclosure/open data bases. As EIC has the same mode of inheritance, (as does PRA), may researchers and scientists develop further DNA tests.

To my understanding, there are is test for epilepsy. It is idiopathic. Diagnosis involves ruling out other possible causes. Prognosis is usually inconclusive unless seizures re-occur in a pattern that fits the disease description. The symptoms you describe don't fit the excited state associated with EIC . . . could also be atypical epilepsy. Hopefully the U. Minn mob will succeed in finding the gene for this and we will end up being able to test. Miss Monaro, I am no vet!!! If you like add current-condition, symptoms, medical treatment and age. Some autoimmune, TVD?? At least with the EIC test, this particular disease can be discounted. Maybe someone who has or had a labrador with epilepsy can add to this or another thread.

First example, incorrectly labelled as EIC. Second example, note accent. http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn122/j...nt=525d71c4.pbr Third. http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/jes...rrent=Leela.flv

Sorry duplicated.

Further to (clinical) notes sent with EIC samples tested in the US, atypical epilepsy etc. http://www.cvm.umn.edu/VBS/faculty/Mickels...lapse/home.html Lablover who likes to keep with the latest research. Being a computer dunce, need to add links in next thread.