Lablover

Interested to know how often this happens? Might be simply slip out, due to owner/human error. I refuse to have my dogs in a trailer. Call me paranoid, that's OK. A welder friend's full time job was repairing towing "bars" on caravans, truck trailers, horse and dog floats.

Yes, small minded burb mentality is a worry. Mind you she is American, and a functioning autistic...good for her..she probably , due to her disability or is it ABILITY, can think like a dog. Which I so try to do. After all most science, art etc changers are gifted but not main stream.

Dark Angel, This thread is too confusing for a computer dunce, like myself, who remains unable to multiple quote. I am all for teaching with positive training. Normally people loose their temper, and correct their dogs harshly due to frustration, after multiple (dog/pupil) mistakes. Very poor teaching.

And their wash out rate was? No idea. Do you know? Maybe. Probably.

If she is obsessed and has a good history of succcess, calling her off the wrong glove might not be as problematic as you think...as long as you can gauge her well. Personally if one of my retrieving dogs was focused on a particular retrieve, I would go back to drill form (which is I admit simple as gloves), and remove the focused article. Most errors in retrieving games, is due to handler error/pointing. Our bodies tend to curve over the dogs, without us noticing the significance. Possibly straighten your body, or have an experienced person (as I have had on many occasions) behind you, checking if your and THE DOG'S alignment(tail, body, brain) is correct. Sorry, can I add CORRECT and straight!!!! Both dog and handler.

If she is obsessed and has a good history of succcess, calling her off the wrong glove might not be as problematic as you think...as long as you can gauge her well. Personally if one of my retrieving dogs was focused on a particular retrieve, I would go back to drill form (which is I admit simple as gloves), and remove the focused article. Most errors in retrieving games, is due to handler error/pointing. Our bodies tend to curve over the dogs, without us noticing the significance. Possibly straighten your body, or have an experienced person (as I have had on many occasions) behind you, checking if your and THE DOG'S alignment(tail, body, brain) is correct.

And their wash out rate was?

Tell me about it. I currently train 5. Think of training multiple dogs in a positive light. Frequent short training sessions are best. Having lots of dogs, lots of breaks. That is, if they settle when not being worked. Eeeck!!!

Sometimes a break can do them good. One reason why I think physical checks are worthwhile. If the body is healthy we can concentrate on their brains..or rather our training methods/success. Good lluck. Two of the four chiro were qualified vets.

Thanks Erny, but what qualification is MA?

Whats his qualification BTW, M.A?

US bred working line labrador. Gawd, they can be ugly. But you can become used to 'em!

I asked this question to vets, not one only of course, I had to have a second opinion. I was keen on having spinal xrays and CT scan to see if a long standing condition had deteriorated. Both vets did not feel any radiographs would change their opinion, as long as I warmed her up ..and down...keep her lean...and as we know our dogs keep our eyes open to any signs of strain. I started slowly and gauged each night (my dogs stay in the house 24/7 basically). They can hurt themselves in the backyard/with very little effort. People may be impressed with their (and others) dog's keenness, in our case huge water entries. I prefer in the longterm a sensible entry...and sensible on land retrieve - not too many head and body injuries with stupid zeal. Have to add, I do not have much faith in canine chiros. For an experiment I went to 4 chiros, with one dog....had four different opinions.

Corvus, you wrote: Day 1 in Sydney was very interesting, although I was glad I'd read some of his work beforehand. It took him a little bit of meandering to really settle in to what he wanted to say. He spoke a little about competence bringing about confidence in dogs and people, which was quite tantalisingly close to the optimism stuff I've just started reading up on for my studies. He also touched on what we perceive as rewards for a behaviour are only rewards for that behaviour if they were what the dog was wanting, and the idea that behaviour arises from predictions of outcomes. If an expected reward is not received, that is an aversive. What I thought was really cool was that pleasant surprises where the reward, or positive control factor, or whatever you want to call it, is greater than expected result in kind of an intensified affirmation. That lesson is learnt faster and retained longer. It works the same way when what happens is strongly disappointing because it falls short of the expectation. I obviously did not attend, but have to add good post. Makes perfect sense to me, as I am sure to others. You made an older girl smile when in another post, you mentioned the awful drive thread. Tell you the truth, I nearly fell off my chair laughing. Heck even Mr Lindsay referenced Hediger (1955/1968) once aptly noted "good training is disciplined play". Problem is some dogs want to "play" more than others. Simply observe results from "training".

Should be ring contacts or be patient?

Thanks again Staff'n Toller'. I tell ya....organising the custom made canopy has been a (mini) nightmare. A dog trailer would have been a third heck a fifth of the cost!!!

Has anyone heard how the seminar was progressing? Did anyone attend his Melbourne talk last weekend?

They have stock standard canopies apparently. The canopy ssssssssure has been more difficult to organise than buying the car. Mind since buying the Hilux and driving on the Monash car park I cannot help noticing tradesmen with their nice hard canopies.

O no...I have lead you both astray, but thanks for the replies. On our old hilux, over a decade ago, we did have have a Jim Allen and Son canopy. Looking for hard option this time, with vents, fans, airconditioning perhaps, temperature gauge, heck we can even have central locking. I am after a hard cover: ie http://www.mfindustries.com.au/products/no...ness_better.php

Purchased a Toyota Hilux, 4 x 4, Extra cab with tray. Easier for me to drive than current Troop carrier, which has been great for the dogs, with their semi permanent crates. Looking at organising a canopy, does anyone have experience with any Victorian company? thankyou.

Good books also. Labrador devotees are lucky in a way, the breed is popular and USEFUL, $$$ has been spent as has previously been mentioned in this thread, for a variety of working purposes - Guide dogs for the visually disabled, miliary and customs dogs. Genetics and the Social Behavior of the Dog, which I had out early, very early this morning. Long suffering simply sighed!! . We need open data bases!!!! Full disclose, the good and bad in Australia. The US has the OFA site (voluntary), British accepted relevant health issues also, to say nothing of Scandavian data bases.

Beagles were a breed of choice, by Scott and Fuller. The book is wonderful. http://doglawreporter.blogspot.com/2009/11...tise-still.html Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

well find me a website from a registered lab breeder that proudly states "voted worst breed for leaving hair everywhere by Best friend Holiday Retreat" or a website from registered french bulldog breeders that has in it's banner "WANT A FARTING DOG?" and then I will duly frown at Kate for glossing over some matters on a website designed to attract buyers. Spotted Devil - I too had some problems following Kate's talk. I don;t think it was so much the lack of the powerpoint rather than she was reading notes rather then speaking out to the audience and "presenting" plus many things she said caused some muttering in the audience - making it hard to tune just her voice in and truly 'listen'. I note the people most disinclined to take anything said 'onboard' and make quick smart posts dissing the presenters (and even the people who DID go) weren't actually there. One aspect of the seminar was very much about how dialogue needs to be opened between all stakeholders for the good of the species we all love - dogs. We can't afford to have a multiple "us and them (and them and them and them, oh and them too!)" situation. Yes I agree we need to have an open dialogue but lets be honest its going to be difficult when first blood has already been drawn. Steve, please explain. Some breeds of dogs would be considered endangered due to health issues. I for one, cannot understand the fuss over a one day relatively "soft" seminar. Someone mentioned the Lavelle/McGreevy clash, regarding the use of WEAK hip dysplasia results improvement overall. Discussion, data disclose is good, as we all agree.

Gee, I have big ears, should be able to hear. I thought she said 362? I certainly won't bet a bottle of red on it, LL Bet you a bottle the dam was a labrador. Better/bigger producer.

Gee, I have big ears, should be able to hear. I thought she said 362?