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Hey guys, You are probably aware of this, but Australian BC owners can be involved in the current study. Link: http://www.cvm.umn.edu/vbs/prod/groups/cvm...icle_300430.pdf

The EIC test for BC has not been developed yet? How do you know your dog is affected? Just because there is no DNA test, does not mean something exists. Jemma was born 2001 and started showing signs mid 2002. Nearly nine years ago now. Um.. Dogs exercised.. dogs collapsed. I did say in my original post, it was labelled akin to lactic acid build up.. Hmm.. When it was studied at UQ. It was not called EIC back then. Just because there is no DNA test, does not mean the condition does not exist through documentation and studies by other vets. At the time, there were correlations to what mine, and some other dogs we knew of at the time, both show dog and working dogs who all suffered the same symptoms when exercised. These symptoms were similar to instances in the United States and Canada where a "name" was first put to it. What ever it was. No one will know. She died in 2009 from something else. However the symptoms seen back then, was similar to what is now known as EIC. Sorry I thought your dog's DNA may also have been tested recently in the US.

Any updates Jasperd (and others)?

PS. So sorry, forgot to add, I happened to mention to a US friend today, all the latest health tests and conditions. I added why I bought up the subject...she owns poodles. Small world. Anyway, not sure if this will help at all: Look at atrial septal defects for the original poster. Again, good luck. May your dog have a full recovery.

The EIC test for BC has not been developed yet? How do you know your dog is affected? There is no genetic test yet but research is being carried out on BCC and the dogs currently affected all show the exact same symptoms. http://www.cvm.umn.edu/vbs/faculty/Mickels...ieEIC/home.html So I heard, may the test be available shortly for BC. I had long awaited the DNA test for labrador retrievers- EIC -at least 10 years. I originally thought the condition primarily found in working line labradors and more commonly found in the US. During my continued communications it was also strongly suggested in UK bench lines. This information certainly indicated, a long standing health issue as both in the UK and US working and bench lines "split" decades ago. This syndrome of Labrador Retriever Exercise-Induced Collapse is distinct from other hereditary muscle disorders which have been identified in Labrador Retrievers including: (1) Hereditary Labrador Retriever Myopathy (also called type II fiber deficiency or muscular dystrophy) - This is a condition where puppies (6 weeks to 6 months of age) appear stunted and develop progressive muscle weakness, exercise intolerance, an abnormal gait and muscle atrophy. Signs stabilize in most dogs by 12 to 18 months of age. While the precise underlying defect(s) is still not known, this condition is easily diagnosed with evaluation of muscle biopsy specimens. An autosomal recessive mode of inheritance has been documented in dogs with the type II fiber deficiency. (2) Dystrophin Deficient Muscular Dystrophy - This is a rare condition affecting very young male dogs resulting in severe weakness, progressive muscle atrophy, and markedly elevated serum creatine kinase (CK) concentrations. Diagnosis is made by detection of markedly elevated serum CK in a young puppy, pathological changes within a muscle biopsy specimen consistent with dystrophy, and demonstration of absence of muscle membrane dystrophin within a muscle biopsy specimen. (3) Familial Reflex Myoclonus - This is a rare condition where very young puppies (3 to 6 weeks of age) develop intermittent muscle spasms and then progressive muscle stiffness. Littermates are often affected. (4) Malignant hyperthermia - This is a rare, hereditary, life-threatening condition where excessive muscle contraction and increased body temperature can be triggered by general anesthesia with certain drugs or by stress and exercise (also called canine stress syndrome). Diagnosis is by rigorous laboratory testing of muscle specimens or (more recently) through genetic testing. Any dog with exercise intolerance should always have a complete veterinary evaluation to rule-out joint diseases, heart failure, anemia, heart rhythm disturbances, respiratory problems, low blood sugar , myasthenia gravis, myopathies and other systemic disorders. Good luck all!!!!

Erny, Party pooper!! Having dogs slip into funiture on slippery floors, does not worry the dogs. What is broken furniture and articles on such items, to dogs? I call them diversions, distractions etc. Returning to us on slippery floors is another matter. My poor body.

The EIC test for BC has not been developed yet? How do you know your dog is affected?

We moved, have clothes suitable for our dogs, have a house suitable (relatively fire safe etc) for dogs, have furniture suitable for the dogs, your flooring suitable for the dogs, have vehicles suitable for the dogs. Currently nagging long suffering husband to move to 150 acres, 100 miles or so from Melbourne, where he works. I think I nearly have him---convinced!!!!

Trythis link http://www.heroturko.org/g/gun-dog-training-by-david-lisset/ Who is Mr. D. Lissett?

When the owner is near by/has influence? or when the owner is away/has little influence?

Em is so cute. Genetics are on her side, also an awesome educate owner/trainer. I still think SD should have purchased a working line labrador!!!!!

Not a nervous dog! Always brings his ball back to me! Sounds good!!!!!

Last week a friend asked my opinion on a breeding. Since then been correlating for my journal. NOTE: Unfinished. But thought I would add regardless. INBREEDING (Mating of closely related individuals) Pros: Produces uniform or predictable offspring. Hidden (recessive) genes show up and can be eliminated. Individuals will "breed true" and are "pure." Doubles up good genes. Eliminates unwanted traits. Cons: Doubles up on faults and weaknesses. Progressive loss of vigor and immune response. Increased reproductive failures, fewer offspring. Emphasis on appearance/working traits means accidental loss of "good" genes for other attributes. Genetically impoverished individuals. Maximizes things under Additive control, Minimizes Epistatic or Dominance Effects (Heterosis or Hybrid Vigor). It also assumes you have all the variation you need within your original population, all you need to do is fix the favorable stuff and get rid of the unfavorable genes. Usually work well under well defined environment. You really know the phenotype of what you want. LINE-BREEDING - just another form of inbreeding (Mating of less closely related individuals) Pros: Avoid inbreeding of very closely-related dogs, but dogs are still "pure". Produces uniform or predictable offspring. Slows genetic impoverishment. Cons: Require excellent individuals. Does not halt genetic impoverishment, only slows it down. OUTCROSSING (Mating of unrelated individuals within the same breed) Brings in new qualities or reintroduces lost qualities. Increases vigor. (Dominance and Epistatic Effects... often more adaptable to multiple environments) Dogs are still "pure". (I don't know about that or not... some things you can see, some you cannot) Cons: Less consistency and predictability of offspring.(Can require larger population sizes and a higer culling level to sort things out) May have to breed out unwanted genes accidentally introduced at same time. May be hard to find individuals which are true outcrosses. HYBRIDIZATION (Mating of unrelated individuals of different breeds) - Just another form of outcrossing... any cross is a form of hybridization.Brings in new qualities or reintroduces lost qualities. Increases vigor, may improve immune system and reproductive capacity. Introduces totally new traits e.g. color. Fur type. May result in new breeds. The offspring are considered "impure" for many generations. Cons: Unpredictable - new traits may not all be desirable. Must choose outcross breed whose qualities complement or match own breed. May take years to eliminate unwanted traits/loss of type. May take years to get consistent offspring. Produces many variants not suitable for use in breeding program. Feel free to comment. Obviously itemised and very limited.

In the next week or two would be fine. I would like to wrap up by the end of January, but I will go on as long as it takes. O so my five would not be suitable? Two used to be blood donors. It sounds like yours would be excellent. If you're interested in helping out or if you have any questions, please let me know. Email sent with my contact details.

Great. What stake do you trial your bitch?

O so my five would not be suitable? Two used to be blood donors.

Ray Coppinger asked the same to a woman on her UK estate, called Lady Richards who a lurcher, bred for working ability. I have loved her reply since "We are fortunate in that we can afford to entertain (in every way) such a dog".

I have a little story, a lesson I have never forgotten. During one seminar held by an US trainer, asked for volunteers to train on water singles. The set up was significantly cheaty with thick cover and moderate water entries due to high creek banks, but not too long. About 100 yards? No problem, I grabbed one of my labs who had won two novices. A person before ran his dog, I was next. The trainer, who knew my dogs, took one look at me, added "Not for him" and called the next person. I was rather put back! After the particular exercise was over, the trainer asked me. "If your dog had cheated the water and/or had difficulty finding the mark what would you have done?". I replied" I would have handled". Trainer replied "your dog does not handle sufficiently - sure your dog probably would have performed the set up fine, but what if he did not - you could have trained him for two "WANTED", for a possible "TRIPLE AMOUNT OF" UNWANTED . Same with doubles too early, same with blah blah blah.

For interest what did they end up charging?

Close to Berwick. PM or Email me if you need a loan dog.

Great. Are you throwing non cheaty water marks?

We too used to have a lounge room suite with removal covers. Worked well except for tightness difficult with bottom cushions from time to time. Nowdays have a leather loungeroom suite. So much easier!!

Front dews on Afghans, Alyosha has diagnosed the issue I think, they do get very close to the ground when turning at speed. They are routinely trimmed, and they way they injury is the claws being half ripped out and/or shredded. Thanks. The only dew claw injury my dogs have suffered is from tin (accidently left in training paddocks). I do believe one suffered less "slicing" injury due to having dew claws. That said Customs Australia remove all.

Typical dog behavior. Experienced studs would understand (with no book) I would keep them seperated until end of season. What were you doing while observing this behavior?

Not yet. Is MDBA focused on the pet market?