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I had a similar complaint made and the RSPCA Inspector turned up, looked, laughed and left. It was a rainy, horrific day and it was forecast to be that way for the entire day so put the dogs in their crates when I left for work. The electricity people turned up to do a meter reading that day and I can only assume that they made the complaint - good on them to be perfectly honest. The day the RSPCA Inspector came out the dogs were all outside because it was sunny - I explained that the only times the dogs were crates was when they were sick, overnight or if it was pissing down. His exact words were "beats ruining your house, you have nothing to worry about". Made me feel sick though when my daughter rang me to tell me he was there and to ask if she should let him in - I kept thinking of those horror stories we hear. I felt sick for weeks.

I'd recommend a Tibbie if you like the look of them - Tibbiemax has them and they are just adorable!

We're having the same problem in our house. Campbell wants to show Fauves (thank the Lord) and will hopefully be getting his first puppy later this year. McKenzie, having spent some time with BBJ's little Griffon puppy wants one just like her. I've researched the breed and they seem like quite a good option, particularly the smooth version. We have a couple of years to think about it as I want her to be 8 at least before she gets her "own" dog but at this point in time I'm thinking her dog will be in a different group. I'm expecting to run.

Thanks Becks - you've given us more to think about

So sorry angelsun

I will confess it was a phone call that involved lots of squealing and excitement (so if apologies if I've got the show wrong) but I've just heard news that Hagen has won Best in Group at Lillydale handled by Ashley Reid. :thumbsup: I assume this is the Lillydale Show she was talking about First Fauve to win Group in Australia - he is not my dog but he is beautiful and I cried for Katherine and for our gorgeous breed! She has promised me photos. :D

In the dogs I've actually had my hands on I don't think that the shades make for a different texture BUT I think the lengths do. Marie has a very short coat in the whole with longer hair on her legs & neck but her coat is incredibly harsh - my sister hates it because its not at all soft. Daphne's coat is still very harsh and coarse but it is softer than Marie's - Daphne has a more visually appealing length to her coat. The longer coats here in Australia are lighter in colour but I think that is simply a fluke as I've seen photos of very, very red dogs with a longer coat than Marie has in the UK (most of those are born, apparently, with black in their coat but the black hairs fall out leaving a brick-red coat). I was once told it should feel like a coir mat and my girls' coats do feel like that, Marie's in particular - people are always surprised by how harsh the coat is to the touch. I just need to win lotto so I can fly over to the UK & Europe and get my hands on lots of Fauves I think I've not felt a soft coat yet in any Fauve in Australia - the biggest difference in coat that we have here in length of coat with Marie being naked by comparison to the other Fauves. I've attached a link to quite a brutal video of a pack of Fauves on a pig in France (don't look at it if you don't cope with those sort of images, there isn't blood but they are holding it for the hunters). You can see a slight variation in coat between these dogs - Marie looks very much like those with a short coat (in fact it looks like a pack of Marie & Daphne's attacking a pig ). These dogs are obviously very much hunting dogs and bred purely for that purpose and their coat is obviously not hindering them in the snow or the rough conditions so does that mean the harsh but quite short coat is just as correct? Do you see my confusion?

Sorry Showdog - do you mean does a variation in colour change the texture?

Thanks Becks - was really hoping you would weigh in!! I've actually found some great footage of Fauves hunting pigs in France which shows some real variation in coat length so I'm going to get some breed knowledgeable people to look at it and advise which ones they feel are more correct or if they all appear correct. My idea of rather short would also tie in with yours of an inch or less BUT most in the show ring appear to have a longer coat. Interestingly the video footage of the hunting Fauves show them, more often, with the shorter coat. Being that we're so early in the breed here in Australia (as well as world-wide really from a showing perspective) I want to really make sure that I'm keeping with what is intended by the standard.

There wasn't that I was aware of but what Steve has found does shed some more light and talks about a document produced by the French Fauve Club which clarifies many points of the standard so I'm going to email the people who put together that website as they received permission to translate it. What Steve has found has great information because it includes photos but I'd love to see the full document.

As everyone who was at Albury will know I show in mud but will confess that if Bilbo Baggins hadn't been staying at my house I would have pulled the pin on Sunday as it was getting quite ridiculous at that point. A lady who was set up next to us was camping and wasn't going to pull her wet gear down until the weather dried as she was moving on to another show (Cootamundra???) and had to leave today. Today has been the first fully fine day since

As everyone who was at Albury will know I show in mud but will confess that if Bilbo Baggins hadn't been staying at my house I would have pulled the pin on Sunday as it was getting quite ridiculous at that point. A lady who was set up next to us was camping and wasn't going to pull her wet gear down until the weather dried as she was moving on to another show (Cootamundra???) and had to leave today. Today has been the first fully fine day since

That is awesome!!! Answers a lot of our questions, particularly the one about tails. Doesn't help out overly much on coat still but its a great start and also possibly a person to go back to. You rock Steve!!! :thumbsup:

Fauves vary between $600 and $1,000 at the moment but I expect that that price will increase over the next few years as there is starting to be a bit of a waiting list for them.

I'd really love a chance to pick everyone's brain if I could when it comes to breed standards, but specifically the Basset Fauve De Bretagne standard which is not very wordy at all. I've had loads of time on my hands this week and have been thinking on the huge variation in Fauves worldwide. One of the questions I regularly get asked is why one of my bitches has a much shorter coat than the other - it is not a coat that is every likely to win in the ring but, from my reading of the standard it is still correct BUT the standard does leave an awful lot up to interpretation. For coat the standard says: How short is rather short? Can it be too short? If so how do you know what is too short? How bushy is "too bushy" for the face - I assume it allows for some eyebrows & whiskers? A severe fault is and an eliminating fault is Is a coat that sits very flatly smooth or does smooth mean softer to the touch, like a smooth Griffon? Sparse I would imagine means a coat that is very thin showing skin, fine would be each individual hair being fine and soft is obvious. Is it an eliminating fault if the coat is long AND woolly or is it an eliminating fault if it is simply one of those? If so how long is too long? Then we have tail carriage. The standard says with a severe fault being and an eliminating fault being .When I first began I was told that the tail was carried out from the body and that a "gay tail" was a fault and I've even argued with my fellow Fauve enthusiasts that a gay tail was wrong BUT my thinking this week has made me question that as the standard simply says "above the top line". Wouldn't that mean that at any point above the top line is correct? I've had loads of time this week because my work's computer has crashed so I've googled loads of video of Fauves and I've seen tails held at what I thought was the correct angle (approx 90 degrees) but a number held much higher or "gay". I've also seen a large number of Fauves with coats like my bitches and an equally large number of Fauves with a coat with a reasonable amount of length. Are these things that will get expanded on with time as a "type" becomes more prevalent OR with such a small standard and such variation within the breed will it always be almost impossible to call something incorrect? Do other breed standards allow for such variation or did they and have since been expanded on? When we're breeding how do we choose which way to go? Do we only go with what wins in the ring (staying within standard of course) or do we continue to have a bit of everything because it is allowed? I'm after a real discussion here - yes I still have too much time on my hands

Yes - she has such controlled power.

Are you going to be there tomorrow or are you bailing with Poodlefan???? I *think* I smiled at you today thinking it was you but then I wasn't sure so didn't say anything

Oh I don't know then - I will confess to not being there at the time but Molly & Alicia were congratulating the guy with the Borzoi when I was looking for Bilbo Baggins. I asked if he had won Show and they said that he got Runner-Up. Seriously confused because I also saw people congratulating a lady with a Standard Poodle when I walked in in the dark. Sorry if I've got it wrong. ETA - it was very dark

BIS - Siberian Husky - Sniper (can't remember his registered name but he is a Taejaan owned dog) RUBIS - Borzoi (I heard Mrs Gilbert say that he had to be the Group winner, she didn't even need to think about it)

The vast majority of pet owners will have no dramas with a pup desexed early. When running the dog rescue we desexed at 8 weeks (or an agreed weight for tiny pups) and we have NEVER had a problem of incontinence reported with a pup who was desexed at that age. Yes they have had longer limbs BUT I don't see an issue with that for a pet. Unfortunately most pet owners will have greater difficulties managing an entire animal than they will an early desexed animal. Kudos to vets who do encourage it as opposed to those who encourage people to breed their pretty mutts - and yes I have seen that!

Actually they did in today's mail - my mail doesn't get delivered to my house though, it comes to the post office and I have to pick it up. It wasn't in the mail when I picked it up this morning but they knew I was waiting on it so when an unidentified envelope turned up they rang me

Thanks Rebanne - I'm not used to shows starting so "late" - I can sleep in!

Bilbo Baggins tells me that tomorrow's show starts at 10.30am - is this correct? I entered through Ozentries and haven't got my numbers (assume that I pick them up tomorrow, I'm an Ozentries virgin ) - can anyone confirm for me? She is trying to work out what time she needs to leave to get there.

Just heard the weather report for the weekend as, as expected for this show, rain is forecast . Today is sunny and 22, tomorrow is rain developing, Saturday & Sunday is 14 with rain. . Pack your gumboots!!!

I spoke with Gary yesterday by phone and Chris by email and they are both, understandably devastated. Chris had been away at work but was arriving home yesterday and they were going to have dinner together last night and I'm sure that they will be a comfort to each other. I have no doubt that another dog will share Gary's life but it won't be a greyhound as the comparison to Banjo would be too extreme. RIP Banjo, you were a beautiful dog. You overcame a horrendous start to life that reduced some pretty tough people to tears - not being fed at all for a week and not fed well before that, a worm burden unlike any I've ever seen and some minor skin issues but with Gary in your life you shone. You and Gary were like two peas in a pod, he loved how naughty you were and encouraged your silliness like a doting father would. There were times when I would cringe watching what he let you get away but then the two of you would look at each other and grin and I'd recognise how perfectly suited you were.