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I still can't find anywhere in this thread where anyone said they would be removed at 4 weeks, it seems to be something you made up, so if there is any confusion it seems to be all your own doing! Nina asked for help in a few weeks for pups only born days earlier - I'm sorry but I don't think 8 when I read few and on googling "how many is a few" I find it to be a small number, often taken to be 3 so I'm obviously not the only one. Secondly tdierikx suggested that mum would not want to be feeding them regularly from 4 weeks AND that she had fostered pups from as young as 4 weeks.... Pretty sure that is not me making it up - yes it is me reading two things and linking them but I don't think that is entirely out of left field. Anyway - as I said I'm happy that Nina has confirmed that they will be staying with mum until they're 8 weeks old. I'm still curious as to why pups would need to be removed from mum at 4 weeks which has obviously happened with pups tdierikx has fostered. Whilst I may not be actively involved in rescue at the moment I was for 6 years whilst setting up & running Albury Dog Rescue. I regularly took on late stage pregnant bitches and whelped and raised the pups so I have some experience in this regard.

But I don't comprehend WHY any pups would need to be removed from their mother at 4 weeks??? When I ran the rescue and we had people ringing to surrender pups we refused to take them until they were 8 weeks old. Unless the mother dies the pups should stay with her. If the mother is aggressive the pups should be pts also IMO. As for taking on the bitch in Broken Hill, after rescuing hundreds of dogs over 6 years I'm no longer involved in rescue - I didn't realise you had to be actively rescuing to have an opinion. :laugh: I have whelped and raised around 12 rescue litters - I can't think of a single instance where the pups were removed from foster home where the mums was until they were 8 weeks old. They should be whelped & raised as if they were bred by an ethical registered breeder. I would say EXACTLY the same thing to a registered breeder who contemplated removing pups from mum before 8 weeks and have done so.

I will let the lady know and suggest she join DOL to talk more about it.

I'm pleased to hear that they won't be removed from their mother until they're 8 weeks of age. tdierikx - I'm sorry but I'm still gobmsacked that you are so accepting of a pup being removed from its mother at 4 weeks of age. I've rescued many late end pregnancy bitches and yes, sure they don't want to feed their pups often from 4 weeks of age but they still provide invaluable socialisation & learning - even if that is "piss off and leave my boobs alone". Any bitch who would be aggressive towards her pups shouldn't have pups - these things are genetic.

Its definitely how tdierekx response read...

Just so angry - DON'T RESCUE A PREGNANT BITCH UNLESS YOU CAN CARE FOR HER AND THE PUPS UNTIL THEY'RE 8 WEEKS OLD. :mad

Please, please, please leave them with Mum until they're 8 weeks old!!! OMG I can't believe you're even considering removing them from their mum that early. There is a very, very good reason why reputable breeders aren't allowed to rehome pups until they're 8 weeks old and a lot of it has to do with them being with their mum for as long as possible. Its not got anything to do with feeding etc and everything to do with socialisation. Whilst I agree that she should have been desexed a LONG time ago she wasn't but for Christ's sake please give these babies the best chance possible by leaving them with their mum until the are at least 7 weeks old. I can't believe that, when they can stay with their mum until they're 8 weeks old, you would even consider moving them. :eek:

Yes I would agree with this if they are all to be judged in the same way, which is what we currently expect.

I don't have the answer for that as I, personally, could never own a breed that wouldn't happily accept it BUT I also accept that people have different views and are equally passionate about breeds that don't allow it. Should they be exhibited? I don't know BUT I do think that it is unreasonable to expect all breeds to behave equally and when dogs are exhibited at a dog show that is pretty much what we're asking.

My two cents here Rebanne.... Recently at Canberra Royal I was talking to the couple who show the Azawakhs and they said that they should NOT be handled by the Judge ever and that if a Judge puts their hands on the dog they should expect a bad reaction and that they aren't judged in this way overseas. They also said that the judges should know never to wear a hat whilst judge Azawakhs. From what I've read of Azawakhs this seems reasonable and one would assume that those who own this breed expect, accept and like this. Does this mean that they shouldn't be judged and exhibited OR does it mean that this particular breed should be judged differently to others in the hound group? I'm no expert and, as you know, don't profess to be :laugh: but these people seemed to be very, very knowledgeable of their breed and said that this is how they are judged OS. I actually spent quite bit of time talking to them. If we're going to have these different breeds here in the country shouldn't we judge them as they are traditionally judged rather than expecting them to conform to what a, for example, labrador would accept? If we do expect that aren't we diluting their very essence?

Hi everyone! Not sure if you've heard about K9 Noseworks but here is a link. My link I have been speaking with a lady for a few months who is currently over in the US but will be back here permanently at the end of the year. She will be running K9 Noseworks classes in Sydney and possibly Melbourne and has said that if there is sufficient interest she would also come to Albury and run an information day as I've been so keen on it. Please let me know if you're interested so that I can give her an idea of numbers and let any others that you think might be interested know about it. This is, apparently, a great sport for dogs who are not dog social as they don't have to work alongside other dogs. I've heard lots about it as Fauves tend to do it a bit in the US with success so thought it would be something fun to do if it ever came here. Everything I've seen and heard has been very positive.

They are, apparently, a predominantly working terrier.

These are two of the Patterdale pups that they rescued as newborns. They kept the black one.

The ones I've seen don't look at all like Staffy mixes??? A Fauve breeder from the UK that I talk to has one that was rescued. She said that a large number of them are not suited for regular homelife. Will see if I can find a photo of hers (actually her husband's, who is a vet).

Yes I agree completely HW (again - :laugh: ). I feel dramatically better when I feel good about how I look and it tends to give me a bit of a boost - that confidence flows down the lead I think. Losing weight has also helped dramatically - I'm more confident in my appearance so I'm also more confident to move in ways I may not have previously. I also agree that the people you spend time with at a show really help - people who give you tips, who are genuinely happy for you when you do well (or at least are good at faking :laugh: ) and who are fun to be around. A gazebo with lots of laughs is a good one . ETA the biggest confidence booster for me has been people telling me that my dogs are looking good and complimenting me on the improvements I've made in my handling and my grooming and presentation of my dogs. I wish that I had more internal confidence boosters but my biggest ones have been external.

OMG I agree with you Haredown Whippets! I have really realised recently just how I have killed myself over the years with more than just my handling. It took the young girl who comes showing with me to really realise it. She is from a horse showing background but, until 12 months ago, had never shown dogs. She is a natural - she has beautiful poise and is very graceful when she moves and she seems to have an innate ability to work differently with different breeds. What really sets her apart from me is her complete and utter self-belief. She believes that she can win, she believes that her dog can win and she goes into the ring fully expecting that she will do well. She has won too - classes in group and RUIG and whilst she is a lovely winner she comes out of the ring with the confidence that she deserved to win. ETA she is also always wanting to learn more and will practice every tip she is given - I hadn't always done that but now strive to. I will confess that I don't do that - I go in with the expectation that I will suck and I'm apologetic about my handling etc. :laugh: I have been working really hard on changing that though - to changing my self-talk, to change my body language etc and hope to see some improvement. I think that the very best handlers have the things I see with Felicity and simply go on to hone them over the years. A natural feel for dogs, a natural grace of movement AND a humble sense of self-belief, if that makes sense?

I agree that it is a ridiculous cruelty offence but it wouldn't be the first ridiculous one.

16 Certain electrical devices not to be used upon animals (1) In this section: electrical device means a device of a type prescribed by the regulations. sell includes: (a) auction or exchange, (b) offer, expose, supply or receive for sale, and © send, forward or deliver for sale or on sale. (2) A person shall not: (a) use an electrical device upon an animal, (b) sell any electrical device, or © have in his or her possession or custody any electrical device. Maximum penalty: 250 penalty units in the case of a corporation and 50 penalty units or imprisonment for 6 months, or both, in the case of an individual. (3) Nothing in subsection (2) prevents a person from: (a) using an electrical device upon an animal belonging to a prescribed species, or (b) selling or having in his or her possession or custody an electrical device for use upon an animal belonging to a prescribed species. WIW did say earlier to research POCTA which is where this information comes from, though I agree she could have been a little more obvious :laugh: . I'm trying to find the definition of prescribed animal without much success at the moment but my recollection is that prescribed animal refers to livestock. Interestingly, rurally, many people use electric fencing to keep their dogs in, and I don't mean the collars that attach to an invisible fence. Though reading that section I would think that even those would be considered a cruelty offence.

You do realise that using electric fence for animals like dogs & cats is a chargeable cruelty offence don't you DD? I know that WIW has hinted at it but I'm not sure if you realised that was what she was saying? If you realised then I apologise. As WIW said unless you are willing to complain to Council about the neighbour's cat I suspect you're stuck with it.

I was the one who raised the initial question and it was based on MANY comments I'd seen from European & English dog people who had watched it live. I hadn't seen a picture of him so I asked if he was fat. When I saw a photo I said that he was bigger than I'm used to seeing but I meant that more in a height & substance way.

YEp that is how we did it too.

Yes we have Hungarian Wire Viszla in Australia - they are stunning dogs! Look almost like a giant Fauve :laugh:

Yes I will confess to having seen fatter Labs here and he does look bigger than I normally see. Thanks - I hadn't seen the BIS line-up but had read lots of comments about him being overweight.

I've heard a lot of English people say that the labrador was fat - was it????

I walk 5 times a week for at least an hour (5km plus) and take 2 dogs each time. We have a dog run that is set up with things for them to climb on/off/through for free play and they are exercised together. I have two young boys who tear around for lunatics in the run for hours and older dogs who would do nothing by preference BUT would happily walk for 2 hours plus on lead. I also try to move things around in the dog run quite often so that it changes the way they run, their path etc. I will confess that, other than the dog run, their exercise is mainly for my own conditioning and they benefit on the side :laugh: . I would like to be able to give them more free-running than they currently get but our fencing (other than our dog run) isn't suitable for scenthounds given that we live where there are lots of rabbits.