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Hi all :) I managed to find the Vetbasix sunscreen, but couldn't find any virbac. I also found another product called Petkin Doggy Sunstick but it didn't have in the description if it contained things to stop licking. (My dog's a BIG licker) Thanks for the help guys

Thanks sheena, i'll check it out

Hi all, just a quick question. A family friend of ours owns an old lab (georgeous boy too) who's got a pink nose, and they explained to me that was because it got sunburnt and now they have to put sunscreen on it. I've noticed on my dog, a white Australian cattle dog (or Blue heeler) cross Kelpie that there isa slight discolouration of her nose. Do i need to buy her some type of dog appropraite sunscreen to prevent burning? If so can anyone recommend a brand and where I can buy it from. I do wonder though if sunscreen would actually do anything, since i'd expect her to lick it off as soon as i put it on. Thanks

Thanks for the information guys! :) Thanks HugL, i don't think I'm doing THAT well but I try my best. Before I even knew i was going to get a dog I spent most of my time researching and learning on the hope i would get one - paid off I think. I bought her a new toy yesterday actually, but I think I might buy her a raw hide chew to train her with the cat instead, she LOVES those. I should really segregate them a lot more now that you guys mention it, we leave them unsupervised together a lot more than we probably should. I should probably have mentioned my dog's an outside dog (parents decision - but she seems fine and I practically live outside as well anyway :p ) and the cat gets put outside for a lot of the day so he can do his business - and also so we have less fur to clean up. But there are heaps of places in our backyard the cat can get to without the dog getting in (Under the decking, the chicken run, vegetable garden and side of the house). Still, I might have to make extra sure they are segregated as much as possible, I don't want a horror story of my own either :quote: I have a cattle dog and his prey drive kicks in when he sees the vacuum cleaner, mop, broom or basically anything that moves. I move him away before I start the activity now and yesterday when I started the lawn mower, even though he was inside, he still barked but this time he only barked a couple of times. It's taken 12 years to get to this stage. :quote: (how do you get those quote boxes?) :laugh: I have the same with mine, she especially hates the lawn mower, but that's fear based rather than prey drive (I'm still working on that, might take me a while). She's gotten over the broom (finally!) but sometimes she gets a little excited and tries to have a fight with it - I have one broom from when we first got her thats been nibbled in three places and bents awkwardly at each nibble. :laugh: Still use it though.

I'm a first time dog owner and relatively young, so I didn't make the best choice of picking out a breed to suit our home. Our dog's a blue heeler cross Kelpie, and while we've managed to take care of most of her breed traits we still have an issue with prey drive. She's generally very well behaved, very smart and obedient just like her breed is meant to be, and (thank goodness!) not very destructive any more, and she doesn't play bite either. BUT, of course like all puppies she still misbehaves. :/ that's puppies I guess. She's fine with the chickens, we've seperated them from each other and she doesn't even bother trying to get to them, she used to get a little annoyed when I gave them food of course but that's no longer an issue. The bigger problem was always the cat. He's an older cat, which made it harder, a and sometimes a BIG wuss, and we didn't go through introducing them very well either, all mistakes I will definately not make again in future. II shouldn't have gotten a high prey drive breed to mingle with a cat. Of course I understand it is possible for any dog breed to mingle or at least respect other species but being a first time dog owner I could have chosen an easier option. The dog's 10 months old now and as time goes by we have had less and less issues with them and I'm sure once the dog's matured and neutered she'll calm down a lot more and hopefully get along a lot better. However I still plan to actively train both of them to co-exist a lot better. They don't always have issues, for the most of the day they ignore each other and mind their own business, the cat has his spot in the backyard and the dog hers, the cat tends to stick around the fence and sleeps most of the day or hangs aorund the chicken coop where the dog won't bother him. But the dog sometimes will bark or try to chase the cat if he tries to walk across the backyard or sticks around her bed area which is near the back door. She used to chase him over the fence heaps but we've managed to control that behaviour a lot more and the cat is learning to gain more confidence around the dog also. I'm continuing to work on that, I can call back the dog now when she starts to pester the cat, which is generally mostly friendly behaviour, like walking around him, sniffing ang wagging her tail, and hen she gets a little annoyed and starts to bark I correct the behaviour, bring her back to my heel and get her to sit-stay. Is this an appropraite method for this issue? The main problem however is when we put the cat inside the dog tends to get frustrated and barks at him. We've been calmly discplening her when she barks and rewarding her when she's quite, or putting down the blinds and ignoring her but we haven't broken the behaviour entirely yet. I don't plan for the cat and dog to be the best of friend's but I would like some tips on how I can at least stop the dog from pestering the cat when he's inside the hosue and in view. She gets especially annoyed when I play fight with the cat, like play biting or chasing after my feet, she gets pretty worked up sometimes when he does this, she seems to think I'm in danger or something. I'd appreactiate all advice. Right now I'm sitting beside my dog and the cat's grooming himself not far away. :) hopefully it'll be like this all the time.

Also another question, there's a dog down my street who seems rather fearful around other dogs and its often in the front yard (which has a secure fence), what would happen if someone was to put their hand through the fence and the dog bit them? Of course I'm not planning to do this, I stay clear away from fearful and agressive dogs, but I'm just curious.

OSS, again in Brisbane. Bloke with evil intent, broke thro' a locked side gate in a suburban house. Walked straight into a German Shepherd. Not any GSD.... the unlucky bloke had picked the home of a police dog handler. Handler was upstairs having a shower. Bloke took off, pursued by the police dog, who cornered him against a fence. Neighbours phoned the police who came promptly & took over from the GSD... who amused them by jumping into the back seat of a police car. All explained when dog handler came running up the road, having heard the sirens. Thanks everyone for the information, and the stories. Some of them are very entertaining We have two gates on our property running up to the backyard. Our dog got out once in a bad storm back when we had one gate and being 6 years old it broke and she got out, but we had no issues, turned out she had taken herself for a walk along the route i had been taking her for the past week, probably out looking for us since no-one was home, found a nice man who realised she wasn't with an owner and drove her up to the lost dogs home. Now the gate's fixed and we put another, smaller one up behind it that actually doesn't open, so to get in you physically have to climb over it to get. I think during the summer holidays when my dad comes to live with us we'll put a lock on the big gate and put up a sign to inform visitors we own a dog. She can't get to the front yard so they're safe from our dogs licks. :) I think I'll continue to do some reasearch on this, it's very interesting and I'm sure it pays off to be very informed on this kind of information, owning a dog and all. And talking of dog stories I found one on a pitbull cross who stopped two intruders from stealing a baby from a families house when they knocked the mother unconcious with the hilt of the gun. I love hearing these stories, especially when they involve pitbulls or rottwielers or the like.

Here's another one: hahaha :laugh: i love seeing a big dog get all submissive around a cat, its really quite funny sometimes. my cat is a big wuss though, he steers clear of our chickens! Oh I love the malinois breed, your dog looks beautiful Personally I've always wanted a belgian malinois or tervuren, or if not that an anatolian shepherd. I just love shepherd dog breeds, no wonder I own one.

haha i love those :p i think i definately need the one that says "and the cat isn't trustworthy either" cause a lot of my close friends are afraid of my cat :laugh:

Thanks everyone! I looked up the Domestic animals act for victoria (I didn't know what to serch prior to getting the information you've all given me) and it states similar to what you wrote for NSW melzawelza , it says: "In any proceeding for an offence under this section, it is a defence to that offence if the incident occurred because- (a) the dog was being teased, abused or assaulted; or (b) a person was trespassing on the premises on which the dog was kept; or © another animal was on the premises on which the dog was kept; or (d) a person known to the dog was being attacked in front of the dog" I guess I won't need a sign, I don't want anyone thinking my dog would bite anyone, she's far more likely to lick them to death :laugh: That's kelpies allright, looks like it'd be a pleasure to own three @Koalathebear. Maybe I might just put a "Dog on premesis" sign up, that way people know there's a dog, especially since my dog's not that much of a barker and you could never tell we have one anyway, she can't come into the front yard or the side of the house. Seeing what my teacher said I thought it would be better safe than sorry but since its covered under legislation if my dog injures someone tresspassing on my proprty than its ok. No way I'd let her bite anyone anyway, she can stick to her chew toys.

Opps i made a typo, I meant to say "she knocks them over or even bites them because we aren't supervising then we WILL be liable". Sorry about that.

Hi everyone, So in class yesterday we were discussing laws and the topic about being liable if your dog bites someone popped up. Our teacher told us that if you have "beware of dog" sign somewhere on your property than if someone tresspasses and your dog injures them you won't be liable for their injury. She said without a sign warning people you own a dog, even if someone is tresspassing on your proprty with the intention to break the law, like stealing, if your dog injures them you are still legally liable. I was looking into this today, but I found no solid answers of laws saying if this is true. Of course coming from my teacher I believed it, and I want to buy or make a sign to put up on our front gate, but I've heard people saying how having a sign still doesn't make you legally liable if it injures someone, or that having "Beware of dog" just makes it sound like you are admitting you own a dangerous and/or aggressive dog, which I've heard people say on discussions on other dog forums that this will make you liable anyway, because you are stating that your dog IS dangerous. Can someone please help clarify this for me? And what happens if you have a sign up, say on your front door, but the person attempts to break in from the back of your house, is injured and DOES NOT see the sign? I want to put a "beware of dog" sign up on our property, not because our dog is aggressive or frightnenly dangerous, but because I'm worried that our neighbours kids might jump the fence when we aren't there to play with the dog and she knocks them over or even bites them because we aren't supervising then we won't be liable. And i wouldn't be suprised if she was aggressive anyway towards a tresspasser, I mean its only instinct for a dog to guard their territory after all. So will putting that sign up make me not legally liable if my dog bites or hurts someone on our property without our permission, or just serve no purpse and make it seem like my dog is aggressive? Thanks for the help

She chewed on the plastic a bit but didn't appear to eat it - only the glue. She's fine, thank goodness, just wanted to make sure I wasn't risking anything (we made that mistake with one with our previous pet rabbits... I didn't want a re-occurance) Thanks for your support.

ok thanks :) I feel a lot less worried now. I just wanted to be EXTRA sure I wasn't risking anything

Also she had eaten her dinner (one and a half cups of dry dog food) about 3 hours ago, would thia affect her at all?

Ok, so I went inside for a few seconds and came back to see my dog at the bottom of the stairs chewing something. I rushed down to check (as I always do) and it was my glue stick! This was only a few minutes ago and she has only eaten a little bit, nibbled a bit off the top. She's a cattle dog cross kelpie puppy, about 10 months now, medium size and weighs, now I have to remember, I think around 13kg (we weigh her every 3 months when we give her her worming med, I weighed her perhaps two weeks ago). She's very fit anf energetic, and afterwards I gaver her a dog treat hoping it will make her go to the toilet. I realise now maybe that was a bad idea, since the glue might clog her stomach and do some damage. The glue is a UHU stic, I looked up an article about how someone's puppy died from ingesting the UHU stic. It did not mention how much, she simply stated "my 8 weeks old Bichon-Yorkshire puppy has injested a UHU Stic" so the dog was a little younger than mine and a lot smaller.She said she called to company and said she was told not to worry, her puppy would be fine, but obviously the person did not give good medical advice. Can people give me some advice? Obviously I plan to supervise her and keep an eye on her. I'm not sure if the small amount she ate will do too much damage or just pass through or if I need to call the vet. My mum won't let me call the vet unless she looks sick enough to go, so for now I'm looking up medical advice and keeping an eye on my dog. It's nearly night time now though, and I'm not sure how long I can leave her by herself. UHU says their product is non-toxic, but I saw a video on how (a different kind of glue) expanded in a dog's stomach and caused issues. I'm not sure if UHU will do that or not, the other glue was some kind of construction work glue, but still I'm concerned. What signs can I pick up on to tell if she's being affected? Should I feed her and give her water, ect? If she seems ill I will call the vet IMMEDIENTLY, but right now I can't because of my parents as you hopefully can understand. Right now I'm researching and looking on UHU's website, hopefully my georgous dog can handle it - she ate a whole tea bag (caffinated tea, dilma) And once she ate something (don't remember what) that my mum was worried would block her stomach, but it turned out it didn't because she was 'relieving herself' normally (we closely supervised to check if she was doing her business) All help is appreciated, thanks.

Ok thanks everyone, i think I'm going to keep a camera handy when I do work outside from now one.

I wish I could have replied and read all these post earlier, but unfortunately I have school (oh joy) so most of my day is taken up. Obviously this means I am under 18, and if I was to report it I would get my mum do it, she is a very opinionated person who would take anything that she disagress with to court, but of course, then again, I need some form of evidence... and of course I'm worried if I do tell her now she'll straight away call up anyway and make a complaint. Anyhow there is no way I want to be the person that sits here and does nothing, but I'm worried if I DO report it and he gets away with it he may begin to keep the beatings more secretive or it may get worse. I don't know I'm scared for their dogs safety as well as mine. Until I can get my hands on some good evidence then I guess there isn't much I can safely do, and if I do report it he could most likely get away with it which would cause more trouble than it solves. Regards to your questions mixeduppup and persephone, the kicking was definately not tapping, more like he was trying to kick a soccor ball, and the dog was pushed down every time he hit her and tried to get up and run away. Think of it this way, it wasn't going to kill her or leave serious damage, but it was enough to keep a dalmation, a large breed of working dog, on the ground, and enough to leave me pretty stunned. But yet it wasn't enough to seriously wound her, maybe a few small bruises but it was still what I would consider violent enough to consider as animal abuse, and for all I know if he's kicked it once he probably has kicked her again, maybe even worse. I didn't see what the dog had done, only the affair in which he took it outside and kicked it, from my perspective I couldn't see inside the house so I have no idea what the dog possibly could have done. I can't really see their backyard very well except for if I'm standing on our veranda which is pretty high up, stairs lead down from it to the rest of the garden. Their garage is a large brick one and it acts as part of our fence so I can't see easily into the garden. I'm not sure but I think the dog sleeps outside, she's either seperation anxious or simply a nuiscence barker because she howls and barks a lot at night. I went out just then and I saw her, she seems to be in a good condition. I'm less worried about the physical toll it will have on her and more on the behavioural toll, besides, no animal should be treated that way. Thank you everyone for your help, support and your opionions, i hope I'll be able to help georgous "daisy next door" and stop this unfair treatment. P.S. What do the abbreviations DD, OP and M U P stand for? I'mnot familur with them...

Yes that's true, and very unfortunate hopefully I'll be able to get evidence and report this, that poor dog doesn't deserve it. I looked up on laws regarding animal cruelty and found in the 'Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Legislation' that cruelty can be (but is not limited to, there was much more on the page although it didn't apply to my case) A person who— wounds, mutilates, tortures, overrides, overdrives, overworks, abuses, beats, worries, torments or terrifies an animal So i'm definately going to try report this, if i can

Ok so today I was eating my dinner and I look outside the window to see a quick affair in which my neighbour pushes his dog outside and kicks it in the head a few times aggressively. I was left pretty stunned and honestly quite disgusted The poor dog, a lovely female dalmation named Daisy, was cowering in a corner, obviously afraid (ears back, tail low, crouching low .ect) as the man had pushed her outside and kicked her in the head a few times. Now I don't really know these neighbours, I've only seen them once walking there dog (which also makes me quite upset ) and only visited to retrieve a ball that went over the fence. I have however seen members of the family around, the man seems to be a very strict and very dominant sort of person, I don't mean to sterotype or be offensive in any way, it's just the impression I get and now that I've seen whats happened its made me anxious I haven't told anyone about this yet, it literally happened almost 3 hours ago, and I am really not sure what to do. Does this count as animal abuse? I'm not sure if this is the kind of thing that would count as dog abuse according to the law (although it most certainly should be - no animal deserves to be treated that way). can you help me on what to do? I want to report this as soon as possible, in fact after i've typed this I'm going straight to the RSVPA website to see what I can do. All help is appreciated thanks. I live in melbourne if that helps

Thanks so much everyone for your comments and personal stories, I'll make sure to stay clear off from my local dog park (I have allready encounted an aggressive dog there, although it was small it wouldn't do much serious damage) and I'll make sure that I keep a second leash on me handy - just in case I'm in a situation where I need it. Hopefully I don't get in such a situation where I have to seperate two dogs from a fight. Sorry for all you that had to experience that, hope it all turned out ok

Hi, I'm new to this online community and I'm a young dog enthusist, right now I own my first dog (a georgous white cattledog/kelpie cross) and I'd like to ask all the dog breeders, trainers and handlers out there about what they know about seperating dog fights. As this is my first dog I want to make sure I'm well and truely prepared for resposible ownership, before we got her I read up a hell of a lot about owning a dog. Now I realise there was one thing I missed, probably because the thought of my dog getting into a fight never crossed my mind. I'd like to know how to sepererate a dog fight, I'm quite well aware ont he signs of dog aggression but should an actual fight start I'd have no idea how to berak it up, so could you please help me out? I'm also quite curious to know about dog behaviour when they fight, for example how they might attack another dog in different circumstances, or how they would attack prey differently to another dog. Also which dogs have the strongest bite force, and inparticular, what bite force do Kelpies and Cattle dogs (Blue heelers) have? It's so great to be part of this online community, and thanks to all those people who answer. Woof Woof