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Whatever laws are already in place in NSW a lady I know who has had her dogs for over 20 years has been told not only that she cannot have any more than ten dogs (they are a very small toy breed) as she is a pensioner and in a government owned rental, if she breeds a litter in future, even one litter, she MUST notify centrelink as this is deemed income and the rental will be adjusted accordingly. As she had 20 dogs, must rehome half of them by a set date, she is between a rock and a hard place. her Oldies would probably be euthed if taken to a rescue, rehome people dont want old dogs either privately or from rescue. So, to enable the oldies to live out their lives leaves no room for any of the ones young enough to show and or breed for the future. Many who have seen her fate are heartbroken for her and what they see as next when they are inspected. This is soley the decision of a Liverpoll inspector no rspca or awl involvement. So the councils are already working with legislation now in place, not pending, those I know expect the addition of new laws can only make the situation worse rather than better. Attending a show, it seems the majority I see are in the older to pensioner bracket. AS one of her friends said to me. If we choof off our oldies and only keep breeding age doesnt that make us puppy farmers anyway?

I bought three broodmares at an Inglis sale and the underbidder in each instance was a dogger. I doubt he was there because he liked the shade of the fig trees.

Not always, once had the breeder of my dog ask if id swap her back for a shetland pony, I thought she was joking, that is until she arrived back with the pony in the back seat of her car, kid was horse mad so there were two happy humans as a result. her breeder was thrilled to get her back, daughter had a ball with her pony for the next 16 years, even after well and truely outgrown. Sulky work solved that problem, won reserve Champion harness pony at camden show, first outing in harness, so that one turned out well for all parties.

Well at least they do make great pets. Although Ive found they find the guts of fridges irreristable playground and the racket they make playing hide and seek made me fear the motor would blow up. we blocked up all around so my daughters couldnt find a way under. there is not much funnier than a ferret pronging . they are no where near as elegant at it as antelopes are. also they may not come when you call. BUT try cracking paper or cellophane and their recall then is simply amazing.

I pasted a quote from someone else. I used it to illustrate how differently across the spectrum people think. There is no across the board solution, some have wonderful temprment and would fit in anywhere, some have St Simon's temprement and only a fool would try to make a riding horse out of an equine version of the atomic bomb. I have had both spectums and in between, one was a gem and we will always celebrate the day he joined us. the other.Totally opposite coin, but ho so stunningly beautiful, well in body, forget the mind........ soonest forgotten the better, at least he didnt kill or cripple anyone before he solved the problem of "will he ever settle down?" himself and died one night in his stable but I doubt anyone who ever handled or rode him will forget him either, certainly not with affection though. Why do so many seem to think Legislation is going to solve all problems? It certainly hasnt seemed to work too well re BSL, drugs or criminal activity?

From my behavioural genetics textbook "Hybrid Vigour or Heterosis is the increase in viability and performance when different inbred strains are crossed." When was the book published, and how much credence does the author have? :) Cattle breeders use it to get up to 50 kg more weaned weight in the F1 calves, you have to use an entirely different breed againif you want to do a second outcross. But it isnt usually worth keeping the heifers from the second cross as the advandage is downhill from there. Most breeders who do this either keep seperate their purebred herd and buy in the outcross bull or have two pure herds and only cross a percentage to keep the rootstock for the future. Do you really want to do that with dogs?

I remember seeing a dog born and mature to adulthood, with one leg an inch longer than the other foreleg. his parents, grandparents and great and great great grandparents were all Aust Ch and none were related. He had perfect scissor bite, his litter mate just about missing its under jaw. But what odds would anyone give me that most vets will tell you inbreeding is the cause? As another poster said. if the gene or problem is present it doesnt matter if the parents are or are not related, the problem will present.. I belive its now being thought many problems are not the result of a single recessive or dominant but accumulation of modifiers, making it just about impossible to trace, dna or otherwise, if present or not in unaffected. AS that vet stated, not sure which place or topic list here. Nothing born can be guaranteed free of defect. Something few seem able to grasp, let alone admit. People who give life time health guarantees are high stakes gamblers. Nothing less. It also had that the thousands of deer in New Zealand all descend from 3 original animals yet they are bigger and more fertile than the herds the original deer came from. As for the millions of possums decimating New Zealand they too descend from just as small a gene pool. Surely we cant afford to forget our blasted rabbits, they came from a base of 5? wasnt it, now we must have billions of them. If the anti inbreed are so right, they should instead be near extinct cripples? what went wrong? Found the link, if you havent already seen it. https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=443915662016&id=1584362759 Perhaps our Journal could do more articles on this subject to inform and educate breeders to a higher degree than some seem to be, also perhaps serve to educate puppy buyers as to why purebreds are more reliable as a pet insead of seeing so much elswhere of the wonders of the x bred, alert them to 'cons' not just the 'pros' of designers?

even when the parents are two different breeds. Yet you still can hear some vets (particually the young graduates, but many older seem to fail to learn better) tell the mug owner, "this is the problem, inbreeding caused it" How on earth can a vet graduate knowing so little yet talk with such seeming authority on a subject I dont think is even part of the course

You forget it was an outcross that introuduced the defective gene though. "It is alleged to have been derived through a female from the princely Polish family of Piasts, its Masovian branch. The deformation of lips is clearly visible on tomb sculptures of Mazovian Piasts in the St. John's Cathedral in Warsaw. However this may be, there exists evidence that the trait is longstanding. It is perhaps first observed in Maximilian I (1459–1519)."

As it is already supposed to be illegal to sell an unmicrochippped, unvaccinated pup, under 8 weeks old pup. Please someone tell me who such sellers can be reported too. My friends boyfriend bought just such a pup, apparently it came from a litter of 12. It ended up very sick and at the vets needing a drip for dyhadration within 24 hours of purchase. From the figures I found before, the welfare's across australia were I think, quoting seeing something like 160,000 dogs through their books australia wide, yet the pedigree breeders produced 60,000 in the same year. so on a conservative estimate and every registered pup ended up in a pound, which is a pretty impossible scenario, thats still 100,000 that came from where? I greatly doubt the breeder of that boyfriends pup will ever be vaccinating or chipping their puppies. since by law last I saw all pitbulls are supposed to be desexed. Thanks to the already existing laws there are a great deal of people intending to stay very much off the radar. Repression seems historically to not stop but send those who it is meant to affect to go underground if not further underground instead. Its sad a puppy gets sent out into the world far too young and easy prey to killer disease because its breeder wants to stay off the radar and sell by word of mouth alone because they chose to keep a breed that's now subject to BSL. Add the wish to avoid a licensing fee for all breeds makes me wonder how many other people decide to do the same to avoid detection? Wonder what the best case scenario might be? I know I believe nobody should be able to sell an unvaccinated, unchipped, underaged puppy (regardless of breed) ... BUT... there has to be someone to report the seller too. Otherwise why make or say its illegal? Would I be correct in suspecting the only 'breeder' that could be reprimanded as it currently stands is a registered ankc breeder?

Still doesnt rid us of the ferals though, unlike the dogs they are thousands to one dog or dingo running wild.

Just spotted this http://lifestyle.ninemsn.com.au/viralvideo/295274/dog-caged-for-12-years-emerges-into-grassy-freedom.glance A dog walking on grass for the first time in its life. Yet the very Animal Welfare laws they want passed bann any one breeding dogs from them being allowed to run on grass? Where and what do they think they are doing? forcing an owner to do what the above news story says is cruel?

Spotted this on another forum. A Lot more realistic than so many here. I find it quite strange how many people can decide to lump one species as "meat" another as "pet" and be comfortable with the double standard thus created. "Horsegears Horsegears is online now Senior Member Join Date Mar 2010 Posts 2,484 Default You have to be realistic. If a horse is bred to race and is no good, it may be better off PTS. If putting a horse down is cruel, then all those who bred cows for slaughter etc, and us who are eating the meats are also being cruel. "

I put this comment on it. Did I make sense? Must have had 6 goes, it kept telling me the code had timed out. The real issues are. It should be illegal to sell or buy an unvaccinated, unmicrochipped pup. This will bring millions of hereto invisible dogs to registration. No pup can be advertised without its microchip number. Registering breeders is never going to find those who choose not too. The above two will find them. Educate the public not to buy unless its vaccinated and chipped. NO puppy is too small to chip, the zoos even chip their stock smaller than any new born pup of even toy breeds. The Animal welfare recommendation 2 ignores that the majority of people who do breed a litter have only a few dogs which are their pets, They do not want to have to keep their dogs in concrete runs like commercial breeders. Then the really BIG issue not even listed here. Our Governments and Councils allow this group (RSPCA) to assist in formulating power for themselves for which they are accountable to NO ONE. Not even the Federal Police, let alone our State Police are exempt? WHEN DID AUSTRALIA CEASE TO BE A DEMOCRACY WHEN THE RSPCA IS INVOLVED? Government should make the number one priority , address this anomaly first and foremost, why increase the powers of this group, before accountability? read Hansard Leon Mills, (a former Public prosecutor) dated 3rd June 2010 The Honorable Members General Purpose Standing Committee No.5

I'm assuming you're talking about the white dog with the patchy nose? That definitely is not an American Pit Bull Terrier. The dog is much too large, and it's construction is not that of an APBT. Looks to me like an American Bulldog (which are not banned) and I've read other articles where the dog was quoted as such. A great article re: this incident on the KC Dog Blog. http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2013/04/failure-of-breed-specific-policy-in-the-uk-1.html There was another fantastic blog post I read discussing why this attack wasn't shocking at all when you look at the circumstances, and how easily it could have been prevented.. I can't find it now though. excellent article there needs to be more like it.

Yet arent the new dog laws, that the dogs must be housed on concrete or its unsanatiary? This is certainly the case here in Australia. I remember reading some people have had to "built $20,000 complient kennels to keep their dogs. even though they are only there to pass the inspectors. the dogs never sleep in them." The dogs in this link certainly are not english staffordshire bull terrier's thats for sure, As a friends new boyfriend pointed out to me his dog is the "highly sought after" red nosed pitt bull. Dead ringer for Buddy, described in the link as a bull mastiff? Absolute tragedy regardless. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300234/Jade-Lomas-Anderson-death-Jobless-single-mum-Bev-Concannon-dogs-mauled-girl-goes-hiding.html Although as others have said, its the management and traing of the dogs that is the crux of the problem not the breeds, I reamember reading of an addict whose toy breed ate her toes while she was unconsious for whatever reason?

There is a helicopter that flies our area at night, I greately suspect it has infrared because some nights Im walking the paddocks minding my own business checking stock, usually because Ive heard them running so go to check they are ok. 9 times out of ten if it comes anywhere near next thing I am feeling like a scene from star treck with beam me up scotti. One night I was actually riding one of my horses and to my horror the idiot turned the beam on us. My horse panicked and bolted. Not happy Jan. That time I rang the local Police and made an official complaint. Thought there had to be a flight plan somewhere, think maybe it worked as havent been lit up since.

LINK LINK LINK Folks in this area have them everywhere - the National park near us has them scattered throughout , and some properties have all their boundary gates etc under the camera's eye ! We all walk around smiling for the camera :p Ummm not sure what you're getting at, Pers. What does setting up a security system on your own property have to do with civilians flying drones over it in breach of your privacy? Sorry .. slightly OT , I guess..was helping inez out ... Hey much apprecciated. Im emailing the links to her . marvellous. So glad I mentioned her problem

Would you care if you were being filmed without consent on your own property? I know I would... regardless if I were doing anything wrong or not. Then ask yourself, would you like Animal Lib filming YOU on YOUR property with YOUR animals - and making judgments about how YOU care for them? These are crazy people with an agenda... T. My mums a happy nudist, now she cant even do as she likes on her own land? Sure she has nothing to hide, but surely she does have the right not to be filmed without her consent surely?

Hey where can you get them? how much do they cost? my friend just had another 20 head of cattle dissappear from her place, the losses have gone over a 100 now, (at $550 to $1000 a head its beyond a joke) she knows who is taking them, she has tracked them to the section of fence they keep cutting and rejoining but... I had just that idea to hire one of those realestate drones to find and photograph the cattle on the place she believes are are now awaiting shipping out but he wanted $1,400 to get there, and photograph the cattle. what a wizz if she could buy her own and check her stock with it and of course the duffers place without having to drive or walk where she cant, to check thousands of acres... What a great idea

Awesome, hilarious you name it. Entertainment value DEFINATELY a TEN out of ten.. Thanks for posting.

Cant really see what the difference is if they bring it for a yearly fee and you stay for 12 months go away and then come back again surely it would cost you just as much if not more .you would be one of the few who cancelled it anyway. From memory the lifetime registration for just one dog was $150. At the time we had three dogs, only one of which was desexed. Annual registrations in other states/ territories are usually significantly lower. We didn't have a choice regarding cancelling it. Our new council wanted proof that we had cancelled it before allowing registration in the new area. I don't know how others get around not having to cancel when reregistering in another state. Also the lifetime registration does not take into account the variation in general lifespan of dogs. Is it fair that the same fee is charged for a great dane as it is for a chi? I'd be supportive of life registration if other states would honour it. I can't see that happening though. all you have to do was put that the dog was kept at both addresses at various times of the year, they can cope with that one apparently

Awesome. So the proposal is to penalise anyone who buys from a registered breeder? My dogs came from registered breeders, and are all desexed. Where in gods name does this make sense? More sabre rattling. Just encourages people not to register their pets at all with this kind of ridiculous, clearly irrational proposition. How about working with what they have already rather than shove this crap down peoples throats. It WONT stop back yard breeding or dog attacks. Bloody idiots. I did hear about this recently. The real reason behind it, we were told, to increase income pure and simple. Apparently the number crunchers worked out available income would be higher if those who DO register paid yearly instead of the lifetime single payment. Those who dont now , wont be anyway. Its not going to worry them,never has. As for reducing banned breeds, my vet said its illegal to have a entire pitty? yet guess what turned up for vaccinating, 12 pittie puppies, cute as paint. He also said you cant take one for walks without a designated collar and a muzzle? Yesterday I was in Parramatta picking up some chooks and a lady walking by had two you guessed it and the sight of the chooks was almost too much for them. She was terrifed trying to hold them and we shoved our chooks out of sight and slammed the door fast as we could, very scarey almost disaster. They had already dragged her halfway towards us before we removed their point of interest. Gee they are strong when intent on something, never seen a pitty up close and personal before, scared the daylights out of OH and me. A friend is going out with a chap who recently had to have both his pitties put down, was out walking and a loose dog ran at his on leash dogs, his dogs, still on leash but it ran at them and they grabbed it, killed it and the police made him have them put down. I thought long as a dog is on leash its the loose dog at fault. Although now having seen a pair ready to attack was not a nice sight. Ive never been afraid of german shepherds, rotties, dobes or cattle dogs but that pair even had my OH moving as fast as he could to avoid giving them any reason to come any closer to us.

In extremely rare cases, identical twins have been born with opposite sexes (one male, one female). In these cases, identical twin boys are conceived, but, during the twinning process, one twin loses a Y chromosome (boys have chromosome type XY while girls have XX). Without a Y chromosome to trigger the production of male sex hormones , this fetus develops as a girl by default, but a girl with only one X chromosome (chromosome type XO). The co-twin is unaffected, and develops as a boy as normal.I read this about humans but i haven't been able to find any thing about it with dogs so do the girls grow up to be 'full' girls with only one X chromosome? The occurance of what is called Freemartin in heifers born with a twin brother, is that a percentage of them the hormones of the male calf interfere with the normal growth of the female organs so they do not develop normally. During an AI course in cattle the lecturer had worked at Gatton Research Centre and told us that at Gatton when he was working there they had trialed to determine which females were a freemartin discovered that if a pencil sized instrument could be inserted into the vagina of the newborn calf easily she would not mature into a freemartin. if it couldnt she would be a freeartin. I have not heard of this condition referred to in anything but cattle. "A freemartin or free-martin (sometimes martin heifer) is an infertile female mammal which has masculinized behavior and non-functioning ovaries.[1] Genetically the animal is chimeric: karyotyping of a sample of cells shows XX/XY chromosomes. [The animal originates as a female (XX), but acquires the male (XY) component in utero by exchange of some cellular material from a male twin, via vascular connections between placentas.] Externally, the animal appears female, but various aspects of female reproductive development are altered due to acquisition of anti-Müllerian hormone from the male twin.[2] Freemartinism is the normal outcome of mixed-sex twins in all cattle species that have been studied, and it also occurs occasionally in other mammals including sheep, goats and pigs. The 18th-century physician John Hunter discovered that a freemartin always has a male twin.[3] It was hypothesized early in the 20th century that masculinizing factors travel from the male twin to the female twin through the vascular connections of the placenta because of the vascular fusion and affect the internal anatomy of the female.[4] Several researchers made the discovery that a freemartin results when a female fetus has its chorion fuse in the uterus with that of a male twin. The result was published in 1916 by Tandler and Keller.[5] The discovery was made independently by American biologist Frank R. Lillie, who published it in Science in 1916.[6] Both teams are now credited with the discovery.[7] In rural areas folklore often claimed this condition was not just peculiar to cattle, but extended also to human twins; this belief perpetuated for generations, as was mentioned in the writings of Bede.[8] In most cattle twins, the blood vessels in the chorions become interconnected, allowing blood from each twin to flow around the other. If both fetuses are the same sex this is of no significance, but if they are different, male hormones pass from the male twin to the female twin. The male hormones then masculinize the female twin, and the result is a freemartin.[9] The degree of masculinization is greater if the fusion occurs earlier in the pregnancy – in about ten percent of cases no fusion takes place and the female remains fertile. The male twin is largely unaffected by the fusion, although the size of the testicles may be slightly reduced. Testicle size is associated with fertility, so there may be some reduction in bull fertility. Freemartins behave and grow in a similar way to castrated male cattle (steers). If suspected, a test can be done to detect the presence of the male Y-chromosomes in some circulating white blood cells of the subject. Genetic testing for the Y-chromosome can be performed within days of birth and can aid in the early identification of a sterile female bovine. Physical examination of the calf may also reveal differences: many (but not all) freemartins have a short vagina compared with that of a fertile heifer."

Have you viewed the videos of the "frantic and scared" and/or " fearfully rushed into the ‘killing box’"horses in this clip? http://www.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/stop-knackery-abuse Disgusting as these callus men treated these horses, Natures Child's body language was neither, "frantic, scared or fearful", nor was the other horse it didnt have a clue what the idiot weilding the pipe wanted of it. she was a old girl who wondered what this pair of idiots were doing. Their ability to communicate without that bloody plastic pipe should have had them charged as much for their cruelty in how they dispatched the horses in their charge. then the 'calm' cattle in the kill pen? They work hard to keep them calm 500 to 1000 kg of fearful bovine can not only snap fences like twigs, they also send their meat purple and unsaleable when stressed, same applies to horses, chooks. These men obviously do know their job,doesnt make it any less awful to watch, the chap above the killing box has the stun gun and uses it at 1.27 into the clip, the first one doesnt look like it even saw it comming the second at 2.24, IS TERRIFIED. Just because you do not have the same affection for cattle does not make them any less capable of terror and they get VERY scared of strange noises and sights. just watch a load in a semi at the lights staring in fear at the weird cars they have never seen before. ALL slaughter is confronting regardless I know how sick watching either video made me feel Oh rightyo. So watching a video you went out for way to watch made you feel sick so you posted it to make everyone else feel sick. Makes a lot of sense! thanks for having it moved, sheridan. Was that not exactly the intent of the makers and poster of the original video? The second certainaly was not. Read who made it, it is a state of the art humane slaughter facility. There seems to be a very noticable double standard in effect here? Or am I mistaken?