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Idiot. What hope have we got when supposed experts don't even know what they're on about? Were did you get that the vet said 'lock jaw' from? She certainly did not use that term during this interview. The journo said 'lock jaw'. Absolutely correct. However, on the Seven News Melbourne report, the same Dr Sharee Maas states @ 1'19'' 's/he had a lock jaw so he wasn't going to move his head off that dog. I managed to get a vein and anaesthetise that dog'. http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/article/17536298/two-women-mauled-in-dog-attacks/ Just saying. I just love your thinking. Discuss the correct use of the wording. Completely ignore the fact the bloody dog still had hold of its victum and wouldnt let go until it was knocked unconsious be it by caving its head in with a hammer as happened in a previous case, or in this case a vet was handy to knock it out by injection. Or in the case in England 23 knife wounds later and dying. It still didnt let go until it was unconsious for god's sake Not even interfering humans around it nor the needle being inserted distracted it from its purpose. You people amaze me. What words wont cause you so much distress? Thank you. I'm only too happy to spread the love. I don't quite understand the phrase you use 'you people amaze me'. What 'people'? I'm only one person. Yet you directed 'you people' at me? Hmmmm... go figure, I'm at a loss. Nothing has distressed me whatsoever - in answer to your last sentence. I tend to think three out of four who found the words used unacceptable constitutes using the plural. Still waiting for an answer instead of more questions though.

Because someone started this thread and put a link with a photo and a news report. To which many here find the words uses highly inappropriate. Then of course and idiot like me asked what words are approprite. To which all the replies seem to be restricted to "ranting" and now "Bizarre" Whatever happened to the art of debate?

Before ANKC's arrived the men and women who left us the legacy of all this different breeds created them by a process called culling. No dog that did not fit their idea of what they believed they wanted was culled. Be it given away as a pet or killed. Poor temprement usually had only one end, killed. Now of course poor temprement is an entire industry of animal behavourists and temprement modification instead. Since this is now the reality, what once never got the chance to make headlines like these IS going to be the norm. Regardless of breed or heinz 57 as they were called when I was a kid. If it got out and was dangerous it was shot. Most of the time it was the breeder or the owner who made the call rather than risk their neighbours or their children. But then everyone knew everyone in the neighbourhood and cared about them. Not so today. Many peoplle now dont even know their neighbours name.

Gee you assumed a lot. I did not end up in hospital and on morphine for two weeks from being attacked by any dog that looked even minutely like the ones being shown in the videos, all large mammals over a pivotal weight can do enormous damage. I can now manage daytime on just Panedine Forte, although my doctors would prefer I used Nerfen forte, but no way I can sleep without Endone much as I hate taking it. So the damage unfortunately isnt just in my mind as I so wish it was just overactive imagination. Its the way those who happen to be unfortunate enough that their pet looks like the ones in the video's that are so vehemetly defending each and every one that looks like theirs because they feel their pet is threatened. Wake up. Your dog is at home. Its not the mutt in the video. Attacking the papers or the press reporters, or the video makers as villifiying their loved breed dog, isnt going to do much besides word fights. Is it? If a mass murderer is arrested and is a dead spit for your husband, wife, or child? Are you going to attack any one who might find the real killer deserves conviction and sentencing because you loved one might also be arrested and sentenced for looking like the real killer? The real killer must go free to protect your look alike family member? Because that is what you are doing even if you do not realise it.

Idiot. What hope have we got when supposed experts don't even know what they're on about? Were did you get that the vet said 'lock jaw' from? She certainly did not use that term during this interview. The journo said 'lock jaw'. Were you "ranting" when you made that comment? It did appear you did not like the term used. So to ask what term is acceptable to you does not elicit a reply as to what is. Can you only find the word "dog" or "ranting" in your dictionary?

The cause of dog attacks, ultimately, is a combination of dog temperament and dog management, plus other factors such as health, child management, and bad luck. There is a large hereditary component to temperament. It is hardly breeder bashing to say that breeders are, to an extent, responsible for turning out pups with antisocial temperament and placing them with people who are likely to manage them poorly. I used Labbies as an example to AVOID breed bashing. They are my chosen breed. They also happen to be a good example of the fact that pedigree breeders are not held to the temperament of their breed standard...despite your assertion that "it has never been a free for all for registered breeders". Nobody is saying that breeders are the whole problem. But breeders are in a position to do their bit to reverse the dog attack problem through being more mindful of temperament and more careful about where they place pups.I would love to see the authorities make an attempt to work out the origins of problem dogs. And if some breeders, registered or otherwise, seem to be behind a string of problem attack dogs, then those breeders need to be held to account. Since I susect 90% if not more of these creatures that get themselves in the headlines cannot be traced to any ANKC breeder even in the first 3 generation if at all ever. The three who took down the jogger are not even a recognised breed in this country. So who is going to cop the rap for breeding them? Faceless, namless Joe public.

Idiot. What hope have we got when supposed experts don't even know what they're on about? Were did you get that the vet said 'lock jaw' from? She certainly did not use that term during this interview. The journo said 'lock jaw'. Absolutely correct. However, on the Seven News Melbourne report, the same Dr Sharee Maas states @ 1'19'' 's/he had a lock jaw so he wasn't going to move his head off that dog. I managed to get a vein and anaesthetise that dog'. http://au.news.yahoo...in-dog-attacks/ Just saying. I just love your thinking. Discuss the correct use of the wording. Completely ignore the fact the bloody dog still had hold of its victum and wouldnt let go until it was knocked unconsious be it by caving its head in with a hammer as happened in a previous case, or in this case a vet was handy to knock it out by injection. Or in the case in England 23 knife wounds later and dying. It still didnt let go until it was unconsious for god's sake Not even interfering humans around it nor the needle being inserted distracted it from its purpose. You people amaze me. What words wont cause you so much distress? Accurate ones. How are you going to define "accurate". What words can you cope with to describe a mammal that does not let go the attacked even while the sedation needle is being inserted and is still hanging on until rendered unconsious? A dog. Ha so the public thinks the vet simply attacked the "dog" with the injection and rendered it unconsious for no valid reason other than it was a dog? Then why didnt she knock out both instead of only one? Joe public would very curious to know the answer to that one.

Idiot. What hope have we got when supposed experts don't even know what they're on about? Were did you get that the vet said 'lock jaw' from? She certainly did not use that term during this interview. The journo said 'lock jaw'. Absolutely correct. However, on the Seven News Melbourne report, the same Dr Sharee Maas states @ 1'19'' 's/he had a lock jaw so he wasn't going to move his head off that dog. I managed to get a vein and anaesthetise that dog'. http://au.news.yahoo...in-dog-attacks/ Just saying. I just love your thinking. Discuss the correct use of the wording. Completely ignore the fact the bloody dog still had hold of its victum and wouldnt let go until it was knocked unconsious be it by caving its head in with a hammer as happened in a previous case, or in this case a vet was handy to knock it out by injection. Or in the case in England 23 knife wounds later and dying. It still didnt let go until it was unconsious for god's sake Not even interfering humans around it nor the needle being inserted distracted it from its purpose. You people amaze me. What words wont cause you so much distress? Accurate ones. How are you going to define "accurate". What words can you cope with to describe a mammal that does not let go the attacked even while the sedation needle is being inserted and is still hanging on until rendered unconsious?

As I understand it, the issue was the dog wasn't registered in that municipality. I think. And yes, I totally understand where you're coming from, unfortunately. I spend a lot of time assuring SWF owners at my park that no, that SBT isn't a pitbull, and no, it's not going to come over here and rip your throat out. Every bully breed is automatically a baby killer in some peoples' eyes, no matter how well socialised and friendly. (and I'm a toy poodle owner!) Perhaps we need to bann all photos and videos of any attack related incident that way people couldnt be given the chance to perhaps link appearance with danger of a similar repeat? Also ban any breed mention to the generic term dog? No then people may become afraid of all dogs? Perhaps "unidentified mammal" may eliminate the problem. You cant fear something if you dont know what it is or may look like.

So you yourself admit that there is "goodness knows what" breeds mixed in there and yet you will state that they are Pitties? Seems pretty bizarre logic. Why are people so caught up in labeling breeds? As if suddenly knowing what breed the dog MIGHT be will shed light on everything? I have a mixed breed dog, adopted as a puppy from the RSPCA as a Staffy cross. She is now above knee height, has a high waist tuck and is gawd knows what breed mixes. There are so many possible breed mixes that MAY make up her looks. She could be a small "bull arab" mix, an Amstaff X Whippet, a dalmation x staffy... the list goes on and the likelyhood that there are MANY breeds in her genetics stop me from even bothering to guess. Yet everyone is so caught up in labels that they cannot take "Mixed breed" for an answer. We are out walking and someone will comment on how lovely she is and asks, "What breed is she?", I reply with "She is a mixed breed dog"...."Yes, but what breeds?" "Mixed of unknown origins" "Yeah but what kinds...". It is bizarre and can go around and around in circles, most people simply cannot take "Mixed breed" for an answer even though it is the most accurate I can give. Many people believe that their BYB dogs are purebred. The amount of times I have seen someone claiming that their dog or puppies are purebred when you can clearly tell that they are NOT is astronomical. Seen it in Rotties, Neo Mastiffs, Mastiffs, Dobermans, Staffords, Amstaffs, Cavs, Poodles, Chihuahuas... the list is endless. How are we to know that the owners of these three dogs didn't truly believe that they were Staffies, or that their breed was predominantly staffy? They do appear to be Stafford CROSSES and given the huge numbers of "purebred" staffies being BYB, quite often crossed with Amstaffs, the breed confusion is understandable. I have seen people actually advertising pups as PUREBRED Staffies and going on to state that they are bred from "purebred (unpapered I would assume)" SBT mother and a purebred Amstaff father and so therefore they are still "Purebred" Staffies . It defies logic and yet people, who do not educate themselves further, believe it. Yes these dogs looked too tall to be SBT but at the same time they looked to short to be Amstaffs. This thread has been very educational and I enjoyed reading the advice on how to intervene in a dog fight and/or protect yourself and your dogs. Very enlightening. NO dear to save your fragile sensibilities they are hence forth to be described as chihuahua crosses. So? Has anyone contstructive ideas what do we do we need to carry on our person when bluff doesnt work and the attack is in earnest, what do you do next, if we are caught alone with no outside help forthcomming, when these chi x'breds like the ones in the video, or the mega bulk ones that took the jogger down, dont back off and wont let go. You're the one intent on labels. Is it safe to call it a dog then? What can you cope with?

Idiot. What hope have we got when supposed experts don't even know what they're on about? Were did you get that the vet said 'lock jaw' from? She certainly did not use that term during this interview. The journo said 'lock jaw'. Absolutely correct. However, on the Seven News Melbourne report, the same Dr Sharee Maas states @ 1'19'' 's/he had a lock jaw so he wasn't going to move his head off that dog. I managed to get a vein and anaesthetise that dog'. http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/article/17536298/two-women-mauled-in-dog-attacks/ Just saying. I just love your thinking. Discuss the correct use of the wording. Completely ignore the fact the bloody dog still had hold of its victum and wouldnt let go until it was knocked unconsious be it by caving its head in with a hammer as happened in a previous case, or in this case a vet was handy to knock it out by injection. Or in the case in England 23 knife wounds later and dying. It still didnt let go until it was unconsious for god's sake Not even interfering humans around it nor the needle being inserted distracted it from its purpose. You people amaze me. What words wont cause you so much distress?

So you yourself admit that there is "goodness knows what" breeds mixed in there and yet you will state that they are Pitties? Seems pretty bizarre logic. Why are people so caught up in labeling breeds? As if suddenly knowing what breed the dog MIGHT be will shed light on everything? I have a mixed breed dog, adopted as a puppy from the RSPCA as a Staffy cross. She is now above knee height, has a high waist tuck and is gawd knows what breed mixes. There are so many possible breed mixes that MAY make up her looks. She could be a small "bull arab" mix, an Amstaff X Whippet, a dalmation x staffy... the list goes on and the likelyhood that there are MANY breeds in her genetics stop me from even bothering to guess. Yet everyone is so caught up in labels that they cannot take "Mixed breed" for an answer. We are out walking and someone will comment on how lovely she is and asks, "What breed is she?", I reply with "She is a mixed breed dog"...."Yes, but what breeds?" "Mixed of unknown origins" "Yeah but what kinds...". It is bizarre and can go around and around in circles, most people simply cannot take "Mixed breed" for an answer even though it is the most accurate I can give. Many people believe that their BYB dogs are purebred. The amount of times I have seen someone claiming that their dog or puppies are purebred when you can clearly tell that they are NOT is astronomical. Seen it in Rotties, Neo Mastiffs, Mastiffs, Dobermans, Staffords, Amstaffs, Cavs, Poodles, Chihuahuas... the list is endless. How are we to know that the owners of these three dogs didn't truly believe that they were Staffies, or that their breed was predominantly staffy? They do appear to be Stafford CROSSES and given the huge numbers of "purebred" staffies being BYB, quite often crossed with Amstaffs, the breed confusion is understandable. I have seen people actually advertising pups as PUREBRED Staffies and going on to state that they are bred from "purebred (unpapered I would assume)" SBT mother and a purebred Amstaff father and so therefore they are still "Purebred" Staffies . It defies logic and yet people, who do not educate themselves further, believe it. Yes these dogs looked too tall to be SBT but at the same time they looked to short to be Amstaffs. This thread has been very educational and I enjoyed reading the advice on how to intervene in a dog fight and/or protect yourself and your dogs. Very enlightening. NO dear to save your fragile sensibilities they are hence forth to be described as chihuahua crosses. So? Has anyone contstructive ideas what do we do we need to carry on our person when bluff doesnt work and the attack is in earnest, what do you do next, if we are caught alone with no outside help forthcomming, when these chi x'breds like the ones in the video, or the mega bulk ones that took the jogger down, dont back off and wont let go.

I have or should say had a red nosed gold chihuahua. Do you really think the dog in that video, and those dogs are the ones who did do it. not some generic photo. Are chihuahua's? Drawing a long bow, and decided yep they are. Does that make what happened any less disgusting? Somehow it would have been marvellous if they could have been shrunk to 3 or less kg instead of the 15 to 20 kgs of those in the video, or the 40 or so the jogger had to contend with. I doubt he would have had his heart exposed, or the woman her finger severed if the dog didnt have the size or the strength to do so. Would calling the poor dears chihuahua crosses make you feel better? If so, do so. Then maybe you might be able to think a bit straighter and come up with some solutions to keep these bloody chihuahua crosses capable of these atrocoties off the street instead of defending the little bastards because they look like your darling mutley. Who now (unfortunatley still looks a bit like them) is actually instead going to be thought to be a chihuahua cross anyway.

Maybe if they like the initials let em keep BSL BUT rebadge it Bad Supervisors Legislation?

Just love the way the owners of these dogs prefer to call their darlings "staffies" instead of Pitties. AS if trying to link them to the english staffie will in peoples minds that makes them cuter and cuddlier. I notice one of the dogs had the so much admired red nose in the BEST pitties, as is the "rare" blue in again, pitties and amstaffs just as described and in his photos of his previous much loved ones, that chap who brought me his pittie pup to microchip. Considering probably 90 percent of these dogs dont have a pedigree parent and come from the invisible breeders this is not going to stop. Only CRIMINAL charges against owners might? Although I wouldnt count on that anytime soon. The chap who I met through my friend now has an AVO out against him since she broke up with him, has shown violence and broken twice into he home since she broke up with him. Sounds pretty much like he and his peferred breed are a good match doesnt it? No legislation is going to stop these people from doing as they please, people like him dont respect the law anyway. Protect yourself or pay the consequences might be the real message if you want to stay with any chance of safe. found this blue english staffie photo. notice the difference in the length of the legs? http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Pets-Horses/Dogs/Dogs-for-Sale/AdNumber=TP005594744 I would be making a bet, those mutts are the product of the thousands of invisible breeders with goodness knows what behind them We do need to be more proactive. Neither these dogs or the peope who want and like a dog that can do this and accidents like are happening and them getting out isnt going to go away. Protect yourself or pay the consequences might be the real message if you want to stay with any chance of safe. Although Im not sure what will? Pepper spray is now banned isnt it? I know my husband used to kill dingos by pulling off the stirrup leather and running them down and one swing with the leather and the massive nickel plated 4 bar iron would despatch them in one hit. Dont know if you could try that on foot with these kind of attacks through? Pretty scary that chap in england decided to use the knife and it took 23 times before that dog finally let his dog go, you really have to decide. It would be more sensible, but who could ever be that sensible and walk away and let your dog lose its life and save you from the injuries of these women. Even scarier that jogger didnt have a dog to attract his attackers, they went for him. This is todays reality, it isnt going to go away. What can you carry legally to drive off an attack if standing tall and bluff isnt going to work? Maybe thats what we all need to learn?