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I appreciate that. I will recommend the behaviourist to him and let him take it from there. Also a little side note about me, with my current dog it gets walked on the streets during the week and on the weekend again on the streets and i only go to the park twice on the weekend. So i dont live at the park. Also the park near me during the day has no one in it, its really fantastic. In the afternoon that is when the dogs go.

No where in my reply did I suggest YOU have no idea about dogs. I did say, that bull breed type dogs are not for everyone (that is very applicable to the topic of your customer having a big bull breed type dog and not being able to control it - also your questions in this and other threads relating to you not knowing much about Amstaff and SBT and thinking about getting one).. I also DID NOT say this breed isn't for YOU.. I said it isn't for everyone. Your customer is a good example of this (still on topic). I also never said the breed was dangerous - did you even read my reply?? Effectively what I did say was that the breeds are not for novice owners and I stand by that comment. They don't need behavioural lessons - they need a confident owner who will train and socialise them. For the record, socialising is NOT going to an off leash park and letting a dog run riot amongst it all. There really is no reason to be rude - I was just offering my opinion and some advice with regard to your posts and questions. This is a public forum that you have posted on and you will get many different views and opinions - what you take from that is entirely up to you. That message wasn't reply to your message. It was to greytmate: "I see a lot of your posts have no idea about dogs, and you are in no position to dictate how a topic progresses if you keep adding more information. You can't help him deal with his dog's issues. they are serious and dangerous. You can't help this person and are not helping him, except by giving him somebody to talk to. And you should learn from this and buy a dog that suits your lifestyle, not buy a breed that is unsuitable for what you say you want to be able to do. Or you will end up with a dangerous dog too."

Fair enough. Thank goodness im not in that situation.

I don't care what you claim to know about dogs, you don't know enough to decide whether other people are on topic or not. I'm not even sure how you think you are going to help. The whole community would be much better off with dogs like this muzzled and on lead at all times, it's not helpful to suggest anything else. You have been given names of trainers and that's all the helpful advice you are ever going to get here about how to treat aggression in a particular dog. The dog is still dangerous and has to be muzzled regardless of what trainer is seen.. I know about your lifestyle and what you want to do with your new dog, because you told us. Want to read back and check? You can get all the behavioural lessons you want, but if you let an amstaff offlead in the park to play with other dogs, your lessons won't really count for much, you will lose control of the situation and your dog's instincts may come to the fore. That is why dogs are declared dangerous. You need to forget about the idea that dogs behaviour is the sum of the owner's efforts and intentions and realise that different dog breeds have different genetic tendencies. It's how you manage the dog more than how you train it, because mismanagement will see your dog learning lots of stuff you might not want it to learn. You have seen an example of what can happen, so you need to think carefully before you buy a dog too. You have told us you like dogs to be offlead and play with all the other dogs, so how about you take some advice to keep yourself out trouble too? Don't buy a breed that is known to have a 'play style' that can end up causing fights. You will find that many people will clear out of the park and do anything to avoid your dog playing with theirs. I have told him to keep his dog on a muzzle. Its up to him to do it. But what im trying to do for him is to help his dog. Even if his dog is on a muzzle it still wants to go dogs. If his dog accidently gets off the leash for whatever reason even with a muzzle on he still can do damage to dogs or skateboarders. Im trying to help his dogs behaviour to try filter that aggressive behaviour out if its possible so it doesn't hurt anyone so there is no incidents ever again. If his dog has one more issue it will surely be pts. Im not implying to "fix" his dog then leave it off the muzzle if that's what your thinking. I want to help him change its behaviour and leave him leashed and muzzled after that, because even with ongoing training its only takes 1 snap to possibly hurt or kill an animal or person. I understand that. Also i take your advice about leaving amstaffs off leash at parks. I love taking my current family dog to the park but being with a dog is not all about the park to me. Taking your advice if/when i do get an amstaff i will not leave it off leash if there are other dogs at the park. This is the input i like, learning things. Cheers.

I am replying to posts like yourself even if they go off topic. Im not claiming to know all about dogs, which is one of the reasons i started this topic to get views, advice and help from people who know a lot more then me. And a fair few people have give me great feed back and i thank them all. But you telling me i have no idea about dogs doesn't add anything to this thread. If you tell me what advise i have given him that's wrong that would be great. I think i have given him some good advice and help. This is also a good learning curve for me also, if i ever encounter situations like this i will be prepared for them in the future. If i take your advice i will not progress. You do not know my lifestyle how can you tell me this breed is not right for me and the dog will be dangerous? I have been around staffys for years just never owned one. When i get my next dog i will go to behavioural lessons for me and the dog, to make sure i get things right. One thing about me i dont muck around i do everything proper and want to learn.

Then you should possibly reconsider your own plans to buy an amstaff and think about buying a breed that is more suited to running around a park and playing with all the other dogs. Why would i not allow an amstaff to play with other dogs? My current family small dog has no issues playing with staffys, and a fair few friends of mine own english staffys and i really enjoy that breed. Going to the park is something i enjoy doing. But just to clarify something if i had a dog for whatever reason couldn't be taken to the park then i will deal with that, its not all just about the park. Make up your mind. You will deal with it but it would hurt you? Bullbreeds need careful socialisation and should be encouraged to be calm around strange dogs at a park. You are going to end up with a dangerous dog as well unless you buy a breed to suit what you want to do with it. And this will be all your own fault. No. It's none of your business. Because this man has told you his dog has been declared dangerous, encourage him to follow the law and report him if you see his dog unmuzzled. That's all you can do. I see a lot of your posts go off topic. Best to stick to what this thread is about. I have encouraged him to follow the law but i'm also trying to help him deal with the issues his having. If you disagree with this that is your opinion, mine is to help him as much as i can.

I hope so to im trying to help him so he doesn't lose his dogs and more importantly no other animal or person gets hurt or killed. I wont post any photos. Just curious, once a dog has been labelled a nuisance or dangerous doesn't the public have access to the dogs photo and all information by ringing up the council? I would personally like to know of any dangerous dogs in my area so i know to keep clear of them, i have never had to do this though so i don't know.

Thank you for that input ill be sure to tell him that.

If he was my dog he would have been at a behaviourist already and ill be working with him, but his not mine. Please dont treat this case as my dog. Im just trying to help someone. Sorry if i don't know everything about dogs and there behaviour and i apoligize if i offended anyone with anything i have said.

Ill get back to you on that, i didn't recommend the behaviourist another friend of mine did. I just passed on the information to him.

Then you should possibly reconsider your own plans to buy an amstaff and think about buying a breed that is more suited to running around a park and playing with all the other dogs. Why would i not allow an amstaff to play with other dogs? My current family small dog has no issues playing with staffys, and a fair few friends of mine own english staffys and i really enjoy that breed. Going to the park is something i enjoy doing. But just to clarify something if i had a dog for whatever reason couldn't be taken to the park then i will deal with that, its not all just about the park. Anyhow i started this thread not to create issues or problems but just to get other dog owners/lovers perspective on this issue that happened, not to "troll". Since i know the guy and like his dogs my view could be a tad biased and also there is a lot more people (like on this site) who know a lot more about dogs then me, and i value your opinion. Anyhow im trying to help this person without being to obvious. I got him Ceaser Milans show and he watched the first season. He already has told me he learned a few things that he is doing wrong. The first was that his dogs walk him, they pull him. He now realizes he is not the alpha of his 3 dogs, they control him. Second thing was about him riding past his dogs on a skateboard could help them overcome there issues with skateboards. Also he knows now that getting the dogs in order is an ongoing commitment, especially the big one would be life commitment. WIth the comments on him paying $1500 for training and not being able to afford $200 to save his dog (which was before the training) i have no idea why. Im not him. Im not here to speculate what he does with his money. Am i allowed to post a photo of his dog/s in this thread? Just a brief FYI - there is no such thing as an english staffy. Or riding past on skateboards could help cement their fear of skateboards. What a bizzare thing to do to a dog that's scared of something - bombard them with the fear And I wouldn't post photos of someone else's dog without their permission. I wouldn't like this much detail about myself posted on a public forum without my knowledge, full stop! Ye me and my friends all refer to them as english staffys i understand its not the technical term, but im not awlays politically correct. He tells me to post them on sites and youtube.

Then you should possibly reconsider your own plans to buy an amstaff and think about buying a breed that is more suited to running around a park and playing with all the other dogs. Why would i not allow an amstaff to play with other dogs? My current family small dog has no issues playing with staffys, and a fair few friends of mine own english staffys and i really enjoy that breed. Going to the park is something i enjoy doing. But just to clarify something if i had a dog for whatever reason couldn't be taken to the park then i will deal with that, its not all just about the park. Anyhow i started this thread not to create issues or problems but just to get other dog owners/lovers perspective on this issue that happened, not to "troll". Since i know the guy and like his dogs my view could be a tad biased and also there is a lot more people (like on this site) who know a lot more about dogs then me, and i value your opinion. Anyhow im trying to help this person without being to obvious. I got him Ceaser Milans show and he watched the first season. He already has told me he learned a few things that he is doing wrong. The first was that his dogs walk him, they pull him. He now realizes he is not the alpha of his 3 dogs, they control him. Second thing was about him riding past his dogs on a skateboard could help them overcome there issues with skateboards. Also he knows now that getting the dogs in order is an ongoing commitment, especially the big one would be life commitment. WIth the comments on him paying $1500 for training and not being able to afford $200 to save his dog (which was before the training) i have no idea why. Im not him. Im not here to speculate what he does with his money. Am i allowed to post a photo of his dog/s in this thread?

Is it more expensive to get the breeder to organize transport?

many vet Clinics have scales in the waiting room...Clients often like to just pop in and weigh their pets...I am really puzzled as to why you consider it not only a problem but a Council problem Because the council said they had a problem with it and i would understand it as a problem if certain vets had to take off collars and leads to weight there dogs for whatever reason as not all dogs get on with each other.

He comes and spends hours at my shop every day. Usually 2-3 hours. He doesn't really have any friends just his dogs. So i give him the time of day not nice being lonely.

Ill print that out for him and give it to him, he doesn't have a computer. His pretty old school. Thanks for that.

People go through tough times. But ye i do agree to have a dog you need to be able to afford to look after them just like your kids. And of course i would buy from a proper breeder myself so please dont get me confused with my customer.

He didn't buy the dog his daughter got it for him someone was giving it away through the trading post. He lost his previous dog it got sick, and he took it to the vet and needed to pay around $200 to get it helped. He asked if they could help the dog and keep it until he had money to pay them back in 1-2 weeks they said no. His dog died. I think this dog was a cheer up gift from his daughter.

Anyhow i started this thread because i wanted to get peoples feedback, and i was curious as i didn't think a certain breed of dog could be dangerous, but his owner told me that and im assuming the boot camp told him that. And i wanted to see from peoples experiences if he could be helped with proper training. Hopefully he sorts out his dogs behaviours if not his other 2 dogs will lean the bad habits.

Oh no i was just giving my personal opinion. Not saying its not good or anything, just if i was in his situation i would be gutted not being able to take them to the park as i really enjoy it. I would have though majority of the people feel the same way but this is not the case. My mistake there. Lucky though my little dog loves the park. :)

To be honest as i do care for his dogs, other animals and peoples safety i did email the council before the attack saying i see some aggressive dogs walking around and described him and the in hoping they would force him to go to a specialist. Even though his my customers his dogs need to be in line. The city council has done nothing about it. Anyhow with the not being able to let the dog off the leash in a park, personally that would hurt me as i love seeing our dog run her legs off in the park and play with all the other dogs. I get so much enjoyment out of it. Of course you would love your dog even if you cant let them off a leash, they are your friend for life but the park is a big thing for me.

His already been charged as a dangerous dog, he will appeal and obviously lose. It's up to the council then to enforce the law and make sure he is complying which im sure they will as it is a very serious case. Im actually glad this has happened (and i knew it will) because even though i like his dogs, i dont like dogs that fight to hurt/kill animal or human etc and that needs to be sorted. Most dog lover would agree with that. He hasn't put on the muzzle on im assuming he has a certain time to comply or he just doesn't want to put it on, either way the council will sort it out. Ive told him if the council tells you to put the muzzle on all times make sure its on all times you wont get away with not having it on. Up to him now.

He lives in Sydney City. He does care about his dog, he knows there is an issue as he attacks any animal after he was attacked when he was 1 year old. Just remember before he was attacked he was not a dangerous dog. Anyhow like i said half his problem is he doesn't discipline his dogs, and he doesn't do this on purpose he just doesn't know.

This guy i have been told is the best in Austalia and he is actually working on his own tv show.

Just to clarify about the skateboards, there are many, many signs where he walks his dogs saying $500 fine for riding a skateboard. Yes it is illegal but its not his job to enforce the law. We all know most dogs do not like skateboards his though is in a different case as it will attack the human riding it. Im assuming once the human is down he will then take the skateboard not continue to attack the human but its not something anyone would want to happen to find out. Anyhow the majority of the people riding the skateboards are over 20 years old, there not kids. If you haven't figured it out already im talking about Sydney City, lots of business suits, teens and adults riding them. The people who ride these skateboards are careless and hoons and ride so fast they could seriously hurt someone. I think thats why he does not like skateboarders as they are also dangerous. He carries a muzzle on him its only a matter of time before he has to put it on him all times. He is on a lead the whole time he is with him so he wont be able to attack another animal unless it comes to him. TO be fair to him his first dog fight he was on a lead and the other dog was not on a lead and they both met at a corner so he could not have seen and the fight happened. The second fight was in a park he was off leash on a metal muzzle and boweled over 2 dogs (same owner had them both). He doesn't let him at all off leash after that. I would say he is not completely careless, he doesn't just let his dog do anything he always has him firm in his hands, but to him its been a couple of unfortunate situations. But it doesnt take away the fact that he doesnt control him properly. and if it was my dog i would not allow him to fight other dogs or go at skateboards. He does care about his dogs but to be honest his the type of person that cares to much in a way where he wont punish them for doing bad things.