and thanks for the nail clipping tip, stupidly, thats not something I had thought of, but with my two kitties that will let me near them (the third is a very timid rescue), I play with their feet all the time so that they are used to it, so I probably would have ended up doing it without even realising. From working in boarding, I have seen what can happen if a dog isnt trained to be groomed or handled in unnatural ways for them, and I wont let this happen with my boy, 20kgs of snapping border wouldnt be fun!