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I remember getting stuck at some point for a few sessions so I deliberately put them away for a few weeks and started again. It seemed to be enough to break her through the mental block. The other thing I may do (would depend on the dog) is actually hold the dogs collar with their nose basically in between the poles and mark and throw the reward. I may then gradually move back and repeat. Works well if you have done any restrained recall type work or your dog doesn't shut down when you restrain them in any way.

SnT beat me to it - I was going to say call your vet as the dosage seems variable depending on what the purpose is and yep the tablets come in different sizes :laugh:.

A friends dog managed to find one and consume it while out on a run at one of the local footie club ovals and ran into difficulty. I have no reason to believe she would have made the story up so I do believe it can happen.

Ptolomy I reckon you could manage a starters freestyle routine and without frying Moo's brain. You would have more then enough with what obedience skills he knows . Ducks for cover :laugh:

Mystiqview also if you look at the Top Dog rehabilitation website they have very informative guides on the exercises you can do. Obviously you want to have it cleared by a vet or rehab person but at least it provides some additional reading material and they are more then happy to answer questions on their FB page.

Hope your girl recovers soon. The other thing I have read previous to be mindful of is dogs that like to bite the high pressure sprinklers. I presume because of a similar scenario and can potentially lead to water intoxication.

There is probably no doubt now that not enough was done in surgery but the residual grade 1 luxation I have been told by both specialists isn't likely to be the cause of her problems now. Her vet has said similar. Although again not sure who I believe after everything we have been through. I still wonder about the suture/crimp causing irritation but to have that taken out she may as well have the surgery done to repair the patella again. If she has a revision surgery they will move the tibial tuberosity. I have been told it only has an 85% success rate and it may not change the situation if there is something else going on that is causing the lameness. .

No she didn't have a cruciate repair she has a soft tissue only medial luxating patella repair. The specialist tightened up the loose soft tissue with some dissolvable sutures but also placed a non-dissolvable nylon to try and support the soft tissue repair while it was healing. This was placed as an antirotational suture. My understanding of the antirotational suture is its suppose to prevent excessive tibial twisting inwards. I think it is placed around the lateral fabelle.

Well Kenz is really going from bad to worse. She doesn't want walks at all. Doesn't want to swim at the beach just stands on the shore after a few throws of her toy into the water. Tonight we literally got 200m up the road before she started having issues with her LH and then shut down. She stands at the bottom of the stairs and whinges cos she wants up but can't seem to walk up herself. I don't know who to trust or where to go anymore. And still not in a position to just throw $450 at x-rays because thats what one specialist suggested but the second specialist doesn't feel that will show anything anyway. frustrating to see my girl so shut down over whatever it is thats bothering her.

Not all show line BCs are super full on dogs. I know some that have relatively low exercise needs and are much more laid back then other lines.

Rubiton - both my "performance dogs" who have been around plenty of dogs have never been vaccinated for kennel cough (well not the C5 component). My 12.5 year old has never come down with KC and has been exposed to dogs who have come down with it (as is nature when they are out around other dogs at a club training each week). They can still get KC even if they are vaccinated.

I got mine from Murray Tyler in Victoria. Pity your interstate Elise mine are just sitting here unused these days.

Yeah have tried that but its impacting on her life 24/7. She can't do anything that she likes. She sits at the bottom of the stair case at home and whinges. She is lame on a short walk around the block to the point where she shuts down in pain. As I said the chiro thinks its not the patella so much as the suture rubbing which is not something that will disappear unless they go in and remove it but the specialist isn't to keen on that suggestion. Hence my question as to whether anybody else knew anything specifically about the use of a Nylon and crimp in repair (most commonly used to repair a cruciate rupture).

So the second specialist effectively confirmed the first specialists opinion - yes she does have a grade 2 MPL in her RH and her surgery LH is still luxating a bit. (possibly a grade 1). However they also both agree the current level of luxation is not likely to be what is causing her current lameness issues. She has significant muscle wastage in her LH (so the repaired leg). The first specialist has confirmed that during her original surgery he used a nylon suture and crimp - as best I can google in a similar manner to how it might be used in a cruciate repair. What he told me is he placed an antirotational nylon suture to help support the soft tissue repair. The chiro vet has suggested that its an internal suture bothering her (and up until this past weekend I was told there was nothing in there that wasn't dissolvable) so this makes sense. The specialist who did the repair has also said though he doesn't think that is what is causing the lameness and is loathed to go in and remove it unless we are going ahead with a revision surgery on that leg. Has anybody had a traditional cruciate repair and had troubles with the suture causing enough discomfort to result in lameness?

I did 2x2 without having done much shaping with my dog and didn't run into very many issues at all. :D

Fingers crossed PA.

Hugs PA and yep sure my friends are sick of me going on as well .

I don't think the 2x2 method takes an especially long time. My youngster learned to 12 weave poles with speed in not very many days. We did a couple of days then I put them away for about a month and revisited and she had no issues.

Denise is doing Qld, NSW and WA from memory.

TheLBD we have Kamal in September :laugh:.

Poor Scootie. Its so heartbreaking to see them so miserable .

Oh PA I know the feeling .

Last year I posted a thread about Kenz's on-going lameness saga and how things never really resolved. For anybody who didn't read the original thread Kenz had MPL surgery on her LH in May last year and despite that had on-going lameness issues post-surgery. Well she ended up back at the specialist again this morning because enough is enough and its gone from bad to worse in the last few weeks. You can bet my state of shock when I was told she had a luxating patella in her RH after I had been categorically told time and time again that her RH was no issue and so having forked out significant sums of money for a consult with a neurospecialist plus plenty of physio and chiro visits to try and improve the situation. Her LH isn't great either even post-surgery. She still enough muscle wastage to suggest that leg is the one that is bothering her the most. What a serious nightmare this has turned into. My young girl is physical mess and I am emotionally (and financially) spent over the situation. My gut feeling all along was that the RH also had a luxating patella but none of the "specialists" were convinced and guess what I was right. She is booked in to see a second specialist tomorrow but I am honestly not sure what that will achieve for the moment. I just desperately want my non-lame dog back .

SA I have a natural fleece one for mine and it wears fine. I have two Border Collies and walks usually involve them getting wet and a lot of the time at the beach. I have had it for nearly 4 years now and its perfect condition. I unzip the fleece bit from the backing and chuck that through the wash every so often. I do have a cheap polar fleece blanket (just a cheap as chips one which i think I paid like $8 for) which I place over the seat part and I wash that a little more frequently then I do the actual back seat buddy but otherwise I would definitely recommend them.

JulesP - not sure if you can still get these - I have a model which is earlier then it and doesn't have the external structure but these might be worth looking into - its called a Pet Ego Umbra - http://www.petego.co...D=29&prodId=122 Waggle seem to stock them in Australia - http://waggle.com.au/egr-b25/umbra-pet-p352