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Just got to teach her to use her backend DogsSportObsessed. Sounds like she is trying to dictate your line with the figure 8's too .

Mine both have U-turn LAT but around the back finishes. I hadn't put an around the back finish on my youngster and was intending on doing a flip finish however for the very reason Ptolomy pointed out re judges penalising the flips and also a few others have said the around the back finish was better so I am doing that ;) .

Man not sure what motivated me to actually doing something tonight but both my first and my second trialling dogs just got training :D . Ness thought she would come to the party after she saw me training Kenzie so she did some dog in the box too . Kenzie is feral and I love it .

Er yep much to hot for Ness .

RS with 27 as the forecast top tomorrow me thinks I might as well stay home.

Oops can't remember if that was in my blog or not. Sue said start with number of steps then switch to length of time . I just never got to that point.

Now your testing my memory RS - why not just ask the guru yourself hehehe. Ok the month bit was set so that you (I ;) ) would not stay at the one point too long but also since you use a bulk of your reinforcement for it you haven't really got anything available for training anything else (unless you want a fat dog ). Its something you want to build up fairly rapidly and you don't want to stick at one stage too long. So you could do duration heelwork for 3 nights and work other exercises the other 2 nights. The implications to me were to focus only on heelwork - we started off with great intentions ;) . It was also to remove the focus of training purely to get in the ring and to lay a solid foundation. Here is a sample from my duration log which I started with both kids. Thur 30 April 15, 20, 7 (42) Fri 1 May 19, 11, 27 (57) Tue 5 May 23, 11, 32 (66): Notes Kenzie was fine, Ness looked away at 7 paces on the first shot. Fine after a time out. Wed 6 May 37, 24, 16 (76): Ness was fine. Kenzie was too hyped up. Worked Ness first Kenzie second. Fri 5 June Ness: 31, 43, 50 Kenzie: 25, 30, 40 The numbers chosen are suppose to be three different spots - you don't always progressively increase the number, sometimes you start out with the higher number and do less, your aim is to keep them guessing as to when you might reward. You can start out with as little as 5 paces if you want. I did take both of mine to the park without treats and worked them to get a baseline. Would have to go back through my blog to see what the baseline value for each of them was however I remember Kenzie's was more than Ness's. Sue said start at a value they would be successful at even if that meant starting my UD dog at 5 paces. Both mine had a few unsuccessful sessions which resulted in a time out - if they needed 2 time outs then I aborted the session. Ness's timeouts were primarily due to her looking away although I was slightly naughty in the sense I cut her more slack then I did for Kenzie. I was allowing Ness to forge whereas with Kenzie the moment she started forging she was put away. I had more problems getting duration on Kenzie as she would start out pushy and end up over the top whereas Ness would start off not pushy and just get pushy. Not sure if this answers your questions and maybe I should go back into hiding as I haven't really continued . Ptolomy would get her stick out ;) . I sort of got carried away with trialling again. Naughty me.

Hmmm maybe I do - you have my blog link anyway don't you RS . Its pretty much what is in the CB manual anyway so look there ;) . http://kenziestraining.blogspot.com/2009/0...ty-seminar.html

Can show you with Kenzie or Ness on Saturday if your at the trial.

Hey Dova - I think I wrote up notes in my training blog from what Sue mentioned regarding teaching the stand for exam.

We had Sue here in April Dova :D .

Oh yes please can I purchase one as well. I would give more than a gold coin donation .In fact I could even give a few trial entries if I could manage 1 on a certain little midget .

Been there done that loved every minute of it .

Tell me about it Tassie . Oh well we both have a start for having our cute not so little BCs from there .

Ness actually started off faster then that - she has slowed down now. As for the food throwing causing sniffing in obedience - Ness is a mega foody dog who cares for nothing except for sniffing for food at the park really but even she doesn't sniff when we do obedience. I use big pieces that won't break up when thrown so they don't sniff. They can find the piece relatively easy snatch it and then I will call them so they get there focus back to me and then throw another piece.

Man I so need to be there .

Bugger off when is guru having another seminar - PM me!!!!! I have two broken dogs that need sorting :rolleyes: .

Cos the judge was feeling just a little sorry for me :D - was definitely very much a sympathy pass but then I have also had a number of contacts called as misses that I know she had got so I guess the nice call on this occasion was about due .

Me with a sprained ankle:

Why do you need a rear cross if your never in a position where you are behind the dogs? Why not just use a front cross instead. I have never been in a situation with Ness where I have needed a rear cross.

:D well if they aren't speedsters its not like you have to run super fast. You should still make novice and excellent times easily. Not to mention the fact I got my clingy dog around both a masters jumping course under time and a masters agility course under time with a sprained ankle so obviously couldn't really run - so it certainly can be done and you certainly don't need to be any great athlete . Not BCs but I know a couple of tollers who have their masters titles too who would be considered velcro and the handlers aren't overly athletic - well at least one of them isn't. I also don't mean this in an offensive manner (and I am not talking about Ptolomy's and her tollers in case she happens to see this) but more as the comparison you were making to me who is a young, reasonably athletic invidual.

I have masters jumping and masters agility titles on Ness and she is pretty clingy. Also have an open jumping title and only need 1 more pass for her open agility. Simple solution run with the dog . If you can get lateral distance then open will be no problems for you either. The dog is very rarely required to move on ahead. Also build value for the obstacles. Get the dog to offer taking a jump and throw food if you want the dog to move away from you and they are only food and not toy driven.

Thanks sorry the question was open to anybody didn't specifically need Seita to answer it. It actually occurred to me its really not any different to not for instance asking your dog to heel anywhere other than when training or trialling. Also a lot of the exercises I am working are specific to the obedience ring. Not like you ask your dog for a box sendaway or a directed jump or directed retrieve exercise on an everyday basis outside of trialling. I suppose the mucky ones are recalls (but I have always had a separate command). Now back to the original topic I suspect there are a number who rely on a body posture to also help tell the dog when they are working specifically when they are going into the ring. Not many people walk the same in real life as they do in the ring. So even those who haven't established a verbal cue system for the dog are still in effect cueing the dog into working.

Question Seita - what if you gave a drive command and the dog failed - dogs are dogs and they are certainly far from being robots. I don't believe you can totally remove this and you will still get the occasional odd off day for whatever reason when you trial. Ooops I think I probably answered my own question just re-read and think there is an element of compulsion as you say she has been made to go into drive if she has been given the word and hasn't. I haven't done any training in drive but how do you prevent the dog from giving you the same level of response out of drive to a normal command. I would classify my youngster as pretty driven and her level of desire extremely high for whatever item I have. It doesn't matter if she has access to it all day every day I whip out whatever I want to reward her with and the enthusiasm is as high as it would be if I bought out a special toy. I know this as I do have special toys which she only gets for training however I can get the same level of response to grabbing whatever toy is laying around in the yard. Surely some of these high drive dogs must be the same - what is then so special about having the 1 ultimate reward which for mine could be anything. Or have I missed something fundamental.

Well done with Tonka. Looks like DOL dogs did really well up there in the obedience .