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Won't spoil the brag but way to go Ptolomy and Soggy . You deserve all the success you are having with her and she certainly has a bright and exciting Obedience career ahead of her.

I should rehome my i-squeaks since they are no longer a permitted item in my household . Can't bring myself to do it though.

I was going to say Ptolomy for putting in the huge i-squeak order . She has plugged i-squeaks to the DOL world . But it would be between Ptolomy, Amypie and ValleyCBR.

I could loan you a couple of part trained flyball dogs .

OMG Ptolomy has posted in this thread more then I have . I better get posting .

she is looking great so far.

Vickie that was my thought when I watched the video. I thought she reminded me of SG's Decaff.

Ness votes for removing the 170 minimum so long as you pass each and every exercise . Or maybe wildcard UD where you can select an exercise and receive full marks without having to complete it.

LP Ness requested that all you had to do for a UD title was pass each exercise 3 times and you could get them signed off. Didn't matter if you didn't pass them all in the one day . Think she also had a vote in for Scoota's stand in the box.

Neither did Ness's of UD via logbook .

Nah same as it is now LP - if the dog misses all the drops in a heel pattern for example you can't qualify. Dog must complete one of each position as a minimum.

Because its a bloody good idea to remove the return around behind . Pretty pointless when all the other classes ask for a finish. I am glad they have taken both the lead up and the return around out of the novice retrieve I might yet consider doing one as I think it brings it a little more in line with the COP drop. Still more room for error but at least not quite so much. As for the rest - the 20 for a SFE brings it into line with the higher classes which I think is a fair move and I don't actually think the increased distance is a bad thing. Think of the pressure that is placed on the dog having a line of handlers standing at 6m versus having them stand at 10m. Although it will mean that people will have to have trained extra time on a stay because it takes longer to walk back 10m then it does 6 so the stays will all end up being longer then they are currently - not entirely a bad thing if your intending on trialling in higher classes anyway. Maybe the new rules might mean people put in a little more foundation work before trialling in CCD then some people appear to have put in.

This unofficial summary of the changes was posted to Ozobedience: TITLES 1) CCD will need a pass mark of 85 instead of 75. Presumably existing (pre 2011) Quali-cards @ 70 will still count towards the title (though I didn't find any such comment.) 2) Champion (OC) can now be obtained by the 2009 way (5 passes at 185+ in UD after the UD title); OR two additional passes at UDX/185+ AFTER the UDX title. 3) Grand Obedience Champion (Gr.O.C) - 5 additional passes at 185+ in UDX after the OC title. This means you need a minimum of 3@170 (UDX), 2@185 (OC), and then 5@185 (Gr.OC) EXHIBITS Fouling - penalty is now "5%" instead of "10 points" (due to the oddity with CCD out of 100 points) EXHIBITORS AND HANDLERS 1) Change of pace (minor wording change, was speed) 2) Heeling (Failure to perform at least one sit, one down, and one stand in the heeling exercise must incur a non-qualifying score.) JUDGING PROCEDURES 1) Examinations - different procedure with limitations on the Judge 2) Non-qualifying score - An NQ score is not grounds for removal in itself, but the Judge is permitted to direct a competitor to leave the ring if they are using it for training. 3) Retrieving - wholesale changes (simplification) EQUIPMENT 1) Nominated area (UDX) - the cones may remain in place throughout judging, or be placed specifically for the exercise and then removed 2) Scent Discrimination (UD) - the mat may be removed before the Group Exercises 3) Minor changes to the "Collars and Leads" but still has an anomaly regarding the Stays (where the lead is removed behind the stay position). 4) UDX cloths now specified to a maximum of 300mm square Classes - Community Companion Dog 1) Qualifying score now 85 2) Stand for examination now 20 (was 10), handler at least 750mm in front 3) 1 min sit now 15 (was 20) 4) 2 min down now 15 (was 20) 5) Recall is now a call-to-front-and-sit, WITHOUT the "return to your dog" 7) Recall is now 12 metres (up from 10) 8) Heel on lead new deductions: Continual guidance with lead (over 50%); for prolonged commands (Minor) 9) Stays now 10m away, instead of 6m Classes - Novice 1) Stand Free for Examination ---- "or does not complete the Principle feature" text removed from "Zero" (redundant) ---- "for failing an action in the lead up." removed from "Minor" (somewhat redundant too) 2) Recall ---- Now 15 metres instead of 12 metres ---- Substantial now also given for failure to sit in front, to finish,or anticipating the finish (were minors) ---- poor sits/finishes still get a Minor deduction (as opposed to a FAILURE, which is now substantial) 3) Retrieve on the Flat (optional exercise) --- Now "take up position" instead of "forward, halt." --- removal of deductions for this component (were Minors) --- redundantly (specifically?) states that the return-to-handler with dumbbell must be brisk. --- added: dog must not break the sit until "Exercise Finished." -- "lesser points" has been clarified to "poor sits" and "failure to sit in front" (Minor) [shouldn't this last one be a substantial?] 4) Change of Position (optional exercise) --- add: Zero if the dog moves while the handler executes the return Classes - Open 1) Stand Free for Examination ---- minor excisions from Zero/Substantial "does not complete Principle feature" and "failing and action in the lead-up" 2) Drop on Recall ---- now 20 metres (up from 12) ---- "failing an action in the leadup" clarified to "failing to sit automatically at halt" 3) Retrieve dumbbell on flat --- scoring changes: add substantial for "slow response" and remove "action in leadup" (redundant) 4) Distance Control (Optional) ---- Scoring changes: remove substantial for "inattention" Classes - Utility 1) Seek back ---- added description "as soon as the dog has commenced the return, the Judge must order the Handler to turn and face the dog. The handler must turn in place." ---- "Neither the handler, the Judge or[sic] Steward will cross the track, nor will the handler be halted less than 20 metres from the articles[sic] - AHEM! What about the other dogs and other exercises? ---- available Orders clarified ---- remove "lack of interest" (substantial) deduction 2) Scent Discrimination ---- handler may not show the article to the dog (however, someone forgot to add a DEDUCTION for this! Unless you count it as "a lesser part of the exercise") ---- Still no clarification on whether the dog and handler can face the decoy articles as they are being placed -- only that they must be facing away when the actual exercise is underway ("Are you ready?" onwards, since most people have already "taken up position" long before.) 3) Directed Retrieve (Optional exercise) ---- reworded description, clarified, but same intent. Also says the gloves may not be placed until the completion of the previous exercise (ie, Signals). This implies that a) they CAN be placed before the dog and handler arrive at the starting position for the exercise; and b) the dog can see them be placed (contrary to earlier interpretation). [see Scent Discrim comments] since the exercise doesn't actually begin until "Are you ready?" or "Take up position." 4) minor clarification/tweak on duration of Group Examination (now "no more than 3 minutes") and removal of zero for "does not complete principle feature" Classes - Utility Dog Excellent 1) Temperament Test now renamed "Group Examination" 2) Seek back with Decoy ---- remove Substantial deduction for "lack of interest" 3) Positions in Motion ---- now prescribes the judge will ORDER the about-turn at approximately 5m after the position (previously implied the handler would measure it) and the same for walking 3m behind and collecting the dog. ---- substantial deduction for "inattention" removed 4) Scent Discrimination - Judge's Scent ---- reworded placement (same intent) added "All cloths must be at least one metre from the edge/side of the ring." 5) Directed sendaway and recall --- 2009 rules mandated giving the dog direction to the Nominated Area. 2011 rules make it optional (which is good for me, because I only use a verbal send in UD) ---- if the dog sits entirely outside the N.A. this would have been a Substantial in 2009 if the dog had at least passed through the N.A. From 2011 it is a zero. 6) Multiple Retrieve --- Now only TWO (2) retrieves, not three (3). --- Each is scored out of 15 points instead of 10 --- ALL dogs will be sent to the SAME two nominated articles (Not like UD where it usually rotates) ---- TRANSFERRED: Zero for picking up the wrong article, EVEN IF PUT DOWN again (was Substantial) 7) Group Examination ---- renamed from "Temperament Test" but otherwise unchanged apart from: ---- removed ZERO score for "does not complete principle feature."

yes I always thought that she wasn't on the scales properly until she only came back at 4.7kg a few weeks later.

BCs are very cute. I was only dragging out puppy photos the other day because Winpara was talking about one of her very little girls she kept only weighing 4kg at 13 weeks. Kenz wasn't much bigger then that. So hard to believe she only weighed 2.4kg at 11 weeks!!!!!! And she is still a cute little fluffball now - got love the pocket rockets.

I already did that on facebook valleyCBR . But since you insisted a few of the midget:

Awwww Tiggy I don't usually have a thing for Staffies but your little girl is just gorgeous .

Aussielover I'll have a stab at answering your questions based on my experience but probably not the worlds most knowledgable in the area . Its not a case of "having drive" or not but rather what level of drive an individual dog has and whether the dog has enough for what you want. A dog can have plenty of drive but that drive can be inhibited through nerves for example. When it comes to teaching a new skill I have used a combination of everything. Teaching or polishing a behavior using a clicker and food before introducing the drive reward into the picture. I have also taught her a decent hand touch so will use that to lure a behavior. I am coming at it a little differently though because my dog I am doing the drive training with actually had a lot of the foundations in place before I started. I don't think its taken away the responsiveness to clicker training when I need to use that for a particular behavior. In fact the really strange thing I have found doing the TID with her is that she was a little indifferent about a food reward and yet the value for that skyrocketed and she now does backflips at breakfast time . I will say in the past I have used a clicker in combination with a tug/food reward with her to reasonable effect. ETA. I am not really sure its about taking away the effectiveness of other methods I guess its more about finding a method that works for an individual dog and sticking to it.

Hmmm if I could find a job and move out of home I might be in a position to get another pup although possibly not for another 12 months or so have a little more training to do with Kenz midget .

Doesn't help that she think she is constantly starved - oh wait she is constantly starved otherwise she would be the size of 2 houses . Think Clean Run are now avoiding emails from anybody in Australia LOL - sent an email asking about something and I haven't heard back.

meh ValleyCBR - I blame Ptolomy for having started something when she told me to put out soap as a distraction for articles way way way back.

If you want fail - there is Ness she does neither tugs nor i-squeaks . But she does do FOOOOOOODDDD or things she thinks could be edible like soap .

Geez and I had a fortnight to try and steal one and never managed it - darn Ptolomy checked my bags when I was leaving at the end. I tried really hard to squeeze Lexi in - maybe next time .

its not that late there yet ;) . Hmmm who says I know what I am doing :D . Alright I do but really I want vanilla slice and chocolate brownies ;) ;) . All you guys talk about is food I don't think you actually get any training done .

how can you get confused with the toller kids. Jealous as anything vCBR though. You guys have so much fun over there :D . Yep angry faces cos I am mega jealous ;) .