Greylvr

I am back to say that I Was being a shit when I posted I am sorry for stooping to the level of being a poo head and posting that. Glad you are working on this dog he is beautiful

sorry not quoted but here is what I was saying

Look What They Have Done To Our Dogs. Short video

#331 tdierikx

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 05:45 PM

May I interject here and state categorically that not all people in rescue share the same views as the vocal minority?

Greylvr - may I suggest that given the fact that you are posting on a PUREBREED dog forum, that maybe you could tone down the emotive AR sounding rhetoric... or at least save it for the Rescue forums where the rules are a little more relaxed due to the nature of all things rescue...

No I dont tell people that lol I am saying SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TO ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL are you guys really this thick or are you jsut trying to entertain yourself tonight by picking fights? Lots of people know that dogs in shelters dont find homes and get put to sleep so they choose to adopt how is that wrong? Just like lots of people want a papered purebred dog and buy from a breeder people will do what they want to do. Your not going to convince someone who wants a pedigreed dog to adopt no matter how much your pour on the guilt, just like some people hate breeders and wont ever buy a dog from one no matter how much you explain or educate about breeders. Everyone has a right to get their dogs from where they feel comfortable.

Well, Rebanne has a good point here. You still pay for dogs from pounds and rescue, do you not? Why is the language different? I'm not having a go at you here but it's interesting that it is different and it's only been different in recent years.

No that is true, I guess society has used those words for those types is all.

That is garbage SD, there has been no rubbishing of people who choose to source their dog from rescue. You'll actually find that a lot of people who have registered dogs also have rescues or have in the past. It's the nonsense about don't buy or a dog dies garbage. If you read the posts before actually posting you might notice that.

But I never said that what I said was twisted into it. I said people may want to adopt because if they dont that dog will die it was twisted to say if you buy a dog from a breeder a shelter dog dies I NEVER said that. See so there were no AR rubbish coming from any one until someone tool something and twisted it into AR rubbish.

Why assume the post was about you? I'm not going back through all the pages of this thread, but the "don't breed or buy while a shelter dog dies" was certainly brought up, and not initially by you from memory.

Because I was quoted and told not to bring that AR shit here

I dont understand why this has all fallen on a rescue does the breeder not want to know what happened to the dogs?

I can understand the breeder wanting avoid the wrath of some within the rspca, she might have managed to get the dogs but she would be a target after that forever.

Oh but what can the RSPCA do to a registered breeder who isnt breaking laws? Just glad the dogs are safe.

I dont understand why this has all fallen on a rescue does the breeder not want to know what happened to the dogs?

That is garbage SD, there has been no rubbishing of people who choose to source their dog from rescue. You'll actually find that a lot of people who have registered dogs also have rescues or have in the past. It's the nonsense about don't buy or a dog dies garbage. If you read the posts before actually posting you might notice that.

But I never said that what I said was twisted into it. I said people may want to adopt because if they dont that dog will die it was twisted to say if you buy a dog from a breeder a shelter dog dies I NEVER said that. See so there were no AR rubbish coming from any one until someone tool something and twisted it into AR rubbish.

still trying to guilt people into buying a dog that may not be suitable for them

No I dont tell people that lol I am saying SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TO ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL are you guys really this thick or are you jsut trying to entertain yourself tonight by picking fights? Lots of people know that dogs in shelters dont find homes and get put to sleep so they choose to adopt how is that wrong? Just like lots of people want a papered purebred dog and buy from a breeder people will do what they want to do. Your not going to convince someone who wants a pedigreed dog to adopt no matter how much your pour on the guilt, just like some people hate breeders and wont ever buy a dog from one no matter how much you explain or educate about breeders. Everyone has a right to get their dogs from where they feel comfortable.

That is garbage SD, there has been no rubbishing of people who choose to source their dog from rescue. You'll actually find that a lot of people who have registered dogs also have rescues or have in the past. It's the nonsense about don't buy or a dog dies garbage. If you read the posts before actually posting you might notice that.

But I never said that what I said was twisted into it. I said people may want to adopt because if they dont that dog will die it was twisted to say if you buy a dog from a breeder a shelter dog dies I NEVER said that. See so there were no AR rubbish coming from any one until someone tool something and twisted it into AR rubbish.

Watch out for the AR"s under the bed with their brainwashing machine really cmon sometimes this place is over the top. I own a pedigree dog and im happy in that decision but some of the garbage posts a few pages back shocked me attacking people making the choice to rescue is obscene why would you attack that option wake up to yourselfes.

Shame on you, he isnt microchipped in your name you have no right to try to make sure he has a rescue to take him if you cant find the owners, for shame you need to keep him a secret and if his owners or breeder dont come along you should just Euth him.

On a serious note glad you have saved him. Hope he finds his home or a new one soon

Thank you

Ill do that tonight he is so cute and I think prob best places by a rescue or breeder

Saw this on facebook and thought maybe a rescue could help this guy

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=123895574443542&set=o.162426987157980&type=1&theater

Because adopting a dog from a shelter or rescue is saving its life when other people have turned their backs, their breeders arnt there for them, the owners dont give a rats they face death. Dogs from breeders wont face death or at least shouldn't ever face death just because it doesnt get bought.

Ok. I'll bite in the semantics game. That is not the meaning of adopt. It has become a twisted misuse of the word by animal rights and animal welfare organisations - part of the broader guilt game.

From www.merriam-webster.com

adopt verb \ə-ˈdäpt\

transitive verb

1: to take by choice into a relationship; especially : to take voluntarily (a child of other parents) as one's own child

So adopting is not saving. Adopting is choosing. A pup at a breeders' home, which is available to a new home, and purchased by a new owner, is every bit as adopted as a shelter pet.

I see what you are saying.

ohhh my dear lord, peta has brain washed more people than I thought, with their buy from a breeder, kill a shelter dog bullcrap

I didn't say that AND I hate PETA I said that people see a shelter dog and if it is not adopted it will die and breeders dogs are safe and shouldn't be in danger of dying if it doesn't find a home. Thats why I think some choose to adopt also you can find purebred dogs in rescue/shelter for a fraction of the cost with all medical done.

You may hate them but you have bought into their blame game.

As to purebred dogs in shelters, you are also buying into the viewpoint that any dog will do. Please guess how many of my breeds I have come across in shelters. Go on. Guess.

How have I bought into their game? I simply stated why I think some people adopt rather than buy from breeders.

People are free to get their dogs from anywhere they please, if you have a love for a breed that dont hit shelters often or you would rather have one with papers then go to a breeder makes sense to me but most people just want a pet and a shelter dog is what they want.

Most?

If most people wanted a shelter dog there wouldn't be any dogs in shelters.

Sorry most people just want a pet. Not most people want a shelter pet

Why do you think that pedigree dogs are not pets?

Oh god yes they are pets too. I know some people prefer pedigrees to be pets.

Sorry, what do you mean by the bolded? Some people prefer pedigrees to be pets as opposed to what?

ETA - wondering if you mean some people prefer pets to have a pedigree, and have just mixed the words around?

Sorry I meant some people prefer their pets to have papers and come from a breeder vs a shelter dog like reb said she likes to know where her dogs come from, she cant take strange greyhounds because of the cat. My brother prefers to get imported dogs from their country of origin.

ohhh my dear lord, peta has brain washed more people than I thought, with their buy from a breeder, kill a shelter dog bullcrap

I didn't say that AND I hate PETA I said that people see a shelter dog and if it is not adopted it will die and breeders dogs are safe and shouldn't be in danger of dying if it doesn't find a home. Thats why I think some choose to adopt also you can find purebred dogs in rescue/shelter for a fraction of the cost with all medical done.

You may hate them but you have bought into their blame game.

As to purebred dogs in shelters, you are also buying into the viewpoint that any dog will do. Please guess how many of my breeds I have come across in shelters. Go on. Guess.

How have I bought into their game? I simply stated why I think some people adopt rather than buy from breeders.

People are free to get their dogs from anywhere they please, if you have a love for a breed that dont hit shelters often or you would rather have one with papers then go to a breeder makes sense to me but most people just want a pet and a shelter dog is what they want.

Most?

If most people wanted a shelter dog there wouldn't be any dogs in shelters.

Sorry most people just want a pet. Not most people want a shelter pet

Why do you think that pedigree dogs are not pets?

Oh god yes they are pets too. I know some people prefer pedigrees to be pets.

Sorry most people just want a pet. Not most people want a shelter pet

Why do you think that pedigree dogs are not pets?

My pedigree dogs are my pets first and foremost. I like knowing what I am getting.

Yup I understand your point of view and know other have the same, many have the same. I was just trying to offer a reason of why some people get shelter pets.

ohhh my dear lord, peta has brain washed more people than I thought, with their buy from a breeder, kill a shelter dog bullcrap

I didn't say that AND I hate PETA I said that people see a shelter dog and if it is not adopted it will die and breeders dogs are safe and shouldn't be in danger of dying if it doesn't find a home. Thats why I think some choose to adopt also you can find purebred dogs in rescue/shelter for a fraction of the cost with all medical done.

You may hate them but you have bought into their blame game.

As to purebred dogs in shelters, you are also buying into the viewpoint that any dog will do. Please guess how many of my breeds I have come across in shelters. Go on. Guess.

How have I bought into their game? I simply stated why I think some people adopt rather than buy from breeders.

People are free to get their dogs from anywhere they please, if you have a love for a breed that dont hit shelters often or you would rather have one with papers then go to a breeder makes sense to me but most people just want a pet and a shelter dog is what they want.

Most?

If most people wanted a shelter dog there wouldn't be any dogs in shelters.

Sorry most people just want a pet. Not most people want a shelter pet

May I interject here and state categorically that not all people in rescue share the same views as the vocal minority?

Greylvr - may I suggest that given the fact that you are posting on a PUREBREED dog forum, that maybe you could tone down the emotive AR sounding rhetoric... or at least save it for the Rescue forums where the rules are a little more relaxed due to the nature of all things rescue...

T.

I have no clue what you are even talking about all because I shared a view on why some people will adopt rather than buy?

Plenty of greyhounds in pounds but I'd never bring one home. Not with the cat.

Yup that makes sense and I dont blame you at all everyone has different needs.

ohhh my dear lord, peta has brain washed more people than I thought, with their buy from a breeder, kill a shelter dog bullcrap

I didn't say that AND I hate PETA I said that people see a shelter dog and if it is not adopted it will die and breeders dogs are safe and shouldn't be in danger of dying if it doesn't find a home. Thats why I think some choose to adopt also you can find purebred dogs in rescue/shelter for a fraction of the cost with all medical done.

You may hate them but you have bought into their blame game.

As to purebred dogs in shelters, you are also buying into the viewpoint that any dog will do. Please guess how many of my breeds I have come across in shelters. Go on. Guess.

How have I bought into their game? I simply stated why I think some people adopt rather than buy from breeders.

People are free to get their dogs from anywhere they please, if you have a love for a breed that dont hit shelters often or you would rather have one with papers then go to a breeder makes sense to me but most people just want a pet and a shelter dog is what they want.

Greylvr, if you saw so many poor examples of BB, why did you still choose to get one?

Because I did research and went to a good breeder guess not good enough.

in my breed you could easily wait 2 years or more to get a pup. There are very few people out there who want one. And even fewer that are suitable. So it certainly doesn't make breeding more very attractive. I had a school principal try and tell me that greyhounds were non shedding, she had read it on the net so it must be true. Didn't want to believe me when I told her that was not true, in fact she outright didn't believe me and challenged me on it. She was a high school principle, she knew much better then me, that was her whole attitude. Didn't want to listen to me at all. No hope of educating her.

I find lots of people want greyhounds, greyhound rescue NSW homed 80 this year

FOTH placed like 125 dogs last year

There seems to be a demand for greyhounds and no trouble finding people who want to take one in.

OT but I hate the don't buy adopt thing. Rescue dogs have price tags, and breeders dogs are just as unlikely to return any profit. Why is buying from a breeder not adopting??

Because adopting a dog from a shelter or rescue is saving its life when other people have turned their backs, their breeders arnt there for them, the owners dont give a rats they face death. Dogs from breeders wont face death or at least shouldn't ever face death just because it doesnt get bought.

I struggle with you saying you went to a good breeder when the breeder didn't do anything to help you when you had problems with the dog?

Re greyhounds, many people either don't want a puppy greyhound, or aren't willing to pay for a puppy greyhound when there are so many advertised as FTGH.

Well she was highly recommended, had top show dogs and yeah she turned out not to be so good but came highly recommended.

I can see your point about the greys though

ohhh my dear lord, peta has brain washed more people than I thought, with their buy from a breeder, kill a shelter dog bullcrap

I didn't say that AND I hate PETA I said that people see a shelter dog and if it is not adopted it will die and breeders dogs are safe and shouldn't be in danger of dying if it doesn't find a home. Thats why I think some choose to adopt also you can find purebred dogs in rescue/shelter for a fraction of the cost with all medical done.

Greylvr, if you saw so many poor examples of BB, why did you still choose to get one?

Because I did research and went to a good breeder guess not good enough.

in my breed you could easily wait 2 years or more to get a pup. There are very few people out there who want one. And even fewer that are suitable. So it certainly doesn't make breeding more very attractive. I had a school principal try and tell me that greyhounds were non shedding, she had read it on the net so it must be true. Didn't want to believe me when I told her that was not true, in fact she outright didn't believe me and challenged me on it. She was a high school principle, she knew much better then me, that was her whole attitude. Didn't want to listen to me at all. No hope of educating her.

I find lots of people want greyhounds, greyhound rescue NSW homed 80 this year

FOTH placed like 125 dogs last year

There seems to be a demand for greyhounds and no trouble finding people who want to take one in.

OT but I hate the don't buy adopt thing. Rescue dogs have price tags, and breeders dogs are just as unlikely to return any profit. Why is buying from a breeder not adopting??

Because adopting a dog from a shelter or rescue is saving its life when other people have turned their backs, their breeders arnt there for them, the owners dont give a rats they face death. Dogs from breeders wont face death or at least shouldn't ever face death just because it doesnt get bought.

Who do you think would be putting up pics of their dogs if they had issues bad enough to identify from a photo? There are plenty of brachy dogs that are happy and healthy, they just don't get the same attention as they don't support the AR argument that EVERY brachy dog is unhealthy.

I also requested videos

Sure thing.

This is Gabe, he does agility Agility Bulldog

Also an agility Bulldog My link

And another one (this dog has a heap of titles) My link

You can't paint and entire breed by a few bad examples. I know some Bulldogs down here who are quiet energetic. They have no issues keeping up with my Samoyeds in the generals ring.

But wouldnt it be great if those examples were the norm? Wouldn't it be great if someone can come to a forum and say my dog cant walk very far without being in distress and have the normal response be thats not typical instead of it being typical?

To me they are normal. As I pointed out, the Bulldogs I'm use to seeing can move very happily.

What Bulldog person came on here saying their dog couldn't move? I've seen people who don't own Bulldogs making comments about a breed they don't own.

I'm not saying that the whole breed is fine but I am saying that seeing one or two bad examples isn't a good enough reason to blanket an entire breed as unhealthy.

Well thats true but its been every bull dog I have seen and I love them they are awesome temperament wise and I hope that maybe the bad breeders will get run out of the breeding business and let the professionals do it.

And every Bulldog you met was a pedigree was it? How many dogs are we talking about here?

I hope bad breeders vanish too. It would be wonderful.

yes they were pedigreed prob talking maybe 100+ in the 10 years in my vet tech days. I love the breed and am not knocking or trying to good bulldog breeders

What you are saying now is very different to what you said above, do you really wonder why BB people are defensive when this sort of thing gets trotted out?

yes everyone I have seen, I havent seen all the bulldogs in the world so I am sure there are healthy ones. I see people on this forum with healthy ones now. Anyway this is just us chasing our tails so I will just leave it at that.

So you saw over 100 purebred registered BBs. Say each breeder had 10 dogs (being generous) you saw that is about 10 registered breeders who show in that area. Really?

Ok fine have it your way, the bulldog is awesome and the healthiest breed in the world there is nothing wrong with them and I suggest everyone go get one because your vet bills will be nil since they are no healthy.

Is that better? There is no denying it and I still don't agree with how they are built in the majority I have seen. Have fun denying that things need to change for the dogs.

If you are going to make claims then they need to be accurate and you should be happy to stand behind them. It sounds like a massive exaggeration to me. No one ever said there aren't some BB breeders doing the wrong thing, but the claims that every one of them is unhealthy is incorrect. Did you bother to watch the videos of the happy active BBs?

yes i did and I never meant to imply that all of them are unhealthy. If you got that idea I misworded it and I apologize for it. I know there are some good ones out there and I surely hope soon that the bad breeders just stop

except for the one she said she had

ETA, I don't really have an opinion either way but it does seem like the conversation is going around in circles.

I do think more should be done to eliminate hereditary problems in Shar Pei. Too many breeders are more concerned about looks, I can think of examples of some unethical ones listed on DOL. The majority of ones that end up in pounds seem to have problems. While a lot of them would be BYBs, I am sure not all of them are. I was looking at a breeder's page the other day - extremely rolly dogs whose eyes needed to be tacked because they couldn't see. While extreme rolls are really cute there are some studies that say the more rolls, the more chance of it getting Shar Pei Fever. Surely these sorts of things should be taken into account

But Yes, there are good breeders as well.

The saddest thing I saw was some breeders listed on DOL saying they are breeding the biggest Am staffs etc, its a shame that breed is another that is going down the tubes because people think bigger is better in the staffs

So you saw over 100 purebred registered BBs. Say each breeder had 10 dogs (being generous) you saw that is about 10 registered breeders who show in that area. Really?

Ok fine have it your way, the bulldog is awesome and the healthiest breed in the world there is nothing wrong with them and I suggest everyone go get one because your vet bills will be nil since they are no healthy.

Is that better? There is no denying it and I still don't agree with how they are built in the majority I have seen. Have fun denying that things need to change for the dogs.