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Yes. I think that it's a very subjective thing, everyone will have different ideas of what THEY believe is ethical and will look for a breeder who matches this. I certainly don't have anything against registered breeders who don't do all the things I would like done, I just wouldn't get a puppy from them. Part of the problem is that CC registered breeders have a code of ethics - yet many of them don't really know what they say and what they have agreed to and those in the public decide what they think is ethical and expect that everyone else will be and think the same way. no one has any right to have an expectation on a registered breeder for anything that's not in their code of ethics. that's all they agreed to and all they are held accountable for . Ask people to define ethical and you dont get the same answer from anyone same with the term reputable. When people make up their own ethics unless there is an accountability process many of them will justify doing something outside of that if they think its better for attaining their goals some of them will have higher and lower standards - no amount of laws will help that. I have every right to buy a puppy from someone that meets my personal expectations of what is ethical. I actually don't care one bit about the ANKC rules or whatever. I make up my own mind about what I think is ok or not. I agree totally. To me ethical has to do with health testing being available to take a pup back & being honest about breed traits etc n a piece of paper has nothing to do with that IMHO. There is also more than 1 registry body you can get to hold your paperwork etc with too.

short answer, you can't. I purchased a dog last year almost to the day. I did my research in the breed we were interested in. Found someone sort of local who bred these dogs. I visited with them. Met the parents. Saw how the dogs were kept. Went to visit the pups spoke endlessly with the "breeder" very helpful very nice people. Eventually paid our money and took our pup home. Expected papers to arrive in the post. Papers did not arrive. Breeder did not return calls / emails. Pup wasn't a pure bred. Pup had extensive health issues. Pup was heartbreakingly pts earlier this year. Very very few of us "pet" buyers can tell who is and who isn't doing the right thing. Or even who is who they say they are. So was this person registed with the state canine? So sorry to hear this, what the reg papers didn't arrive? Did you view both patents rego papers? Reg to me dosnt neccasaryly mean a healthy dog but if they promised papers that's wrong big time.

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I judge a breeder firstly on the lifestyle their dogs live on a day to day basis n not just their house dogs all their dogs, the willingness to put the health of what they are breeding before all else, their policy on taking back dogs they have breed( I believe you should be available to take back ANY dog you have breed no matter the time passed or reasons why) & whether they offer any follow up n training tips etc. If a breeder has a policy to take back all no matter what then they are a lot more careful to home their puppies in the right individual homes & are more on top of genetic health issues otherwise they would be full to the brim with returned pups n dogs wouldn't they. I also believe health, working ability( even if thats just means companions as that thier work) n drive & temperement in general has to come well before type colour n coats. I think the breeders details sould be kept on the dogs mc details for its life as the breeder n secondary contact too so it's easier to moniter those breeders that are producing problem after problem health wise n so ponds etc can contact them. It is not up to rescue groups n pounds to rehome a dog you breed that's your respondsabilty as without you the dog would not exist. I don't think we should only breed for our own needs though as really their is not an over population issue across the board at all just with a few breeds & the problem lays more in unsuitable breeds being placed with the wrong home etc. Also what we want may not be suitable to the vast magority of pet homes so I think it's important to take into consideration what then general puppy buyer is after. But that said I don't think there is any need for any breeder to breed multiply litters every year either. I think all breeders should be ok with any puppy buyers visiting n meeting all the dogs n seeing all the housing not just the select few they have up front type of deal. Sure bio surcurity is an issue but put booties on them n get them to wash hands on the way in & out n limit the amount of handling if possible if your really concerned. It's pretty easy really n if you have nothing to hide why not?

Yes webbed breeds should have webbibg that ends further up the toes if you know what I mean.

Yes advocate dose Demodex but not Scarcoptic n works wonders, have a bitch here that was a rescue because owner could not fix mange or smell that came with it n it cleared it up perfectly. Every other dog here only gets it in the warmer months as only time they need it n I use worm tabs the rest of the yr but she must have it every 6 wks n she starts to smell before I even see signs if I miss it. I also found she is better off on a non processed diet.

You know if the council rangers or similar policed them occasionally they could be great or the 1 near my house in town could be anyway as its the people who don't understand what having effective control is or that its not right for their dogs to bound up to other dogs etc that ruin it.

Yes. It's not always the owner that is behind it. I also think that because there is a set against euthanasia in society, people don't really consider it as an option or don't feel capable of doing it. For a lot of these oldies it would be less disruptive and kinder on them to call the vet and have them PTS at home. Yes I have made plans for my older few to be PTS if something was to happen to me

I think you need to start fresh & only take into account what you know to be fact about the rescues past. I think making excuses or accepting behaviours passed on an assumed past is a recipe for disaster. You run the risk of being very wrong to like I was in assuming the bitch was the 1 with true food aggression issues when in fact it was the dog.

Some are dumped by family members when the owner is placed in a nursing home, can't look after their pet anymore or has passed away. Very sad that they can not just take the pet in their selves or find a rescue to help. Another big reason many are dumped is the rising cost of their medications n special diets or that they are no longer child safe due to pain generally. The last reason I was told more than once unfortunately was that the dog needed PTS & they could not afford a vet. It breaks my heart as my old girl sits at my feet as I can only imagine how terrified she would be dumped anywhere, she gets out of sorts if the routine is not right even,

I don't like public off leash areas generally speaking as not everyone's idea of a dog being under control or sociable is the same as mine. I am blessed to live on 500ac n access to more & even when I have lived in town I just brought my dogs out here for off leash. I bought a house in town & we lived in it for a year before renting it out & moving back to the farm & an off leash area was opened straight across from us. Well it's a nightmare & still is my friend was walking a 4mth Tibetan Mastiff youngster on leash along the path & the poor pup got a real fright when 2 bull breed crosses bowled him over from behind. We are now trying to regain his confidence with people & dogs approaching from behind now & the dogs that rolled him where not aggressive just dominate rough players under NO supervision or control. Turned out the young bloke whom they belonged to was fishing off the walk bridge whilst his dog run amuck.

I agree. It manifests very early in pups and is definitely more common in some breeds than others. I don't believe it always is but it is defiantly a factor. The worst resource guarding I have had to deal with was a pair of adult who came to me that where quite social till the food arrived with the bitch being the bigger danger of the 2. Well I separated them & have worked on their re training separately with the bitch now sharing mince with kittens & being able to have free access when I am home to the entire farm. But the dog who I had actually thought was more the victim although now safe to interact on long lead with small dogs n off lead with the big dogs but would still try & kill his best mate if it was over food. On further research turned out the bitch had developed the issue after the dog reached maturity & that the dogs own dam was highly resource guardy.

They really are a breed where some individuals can be not the easiest of dogs(specially through their teen stages)& I really don't think it's as simple as you get what you put into them either. Not all people are prepared for a bored & frustrated adolescent maremma even though they think they are doing all they can by taking said dog for a walk n following some out dated training methods. I think they are a lot easier once you really understand they do work a little different to your average family pet dog & find they don't tend to come up for rehoming again if the owner can be supported by exspreainced Maremma owners etc. Often they are rehomed for night barker when it's simple just lock them up of a night if not active guardians, or those escape artists can be generally stopped before they start if fencing is decent from the start & precautions taken so they can't do a runner when they back the family car out etc etc..

I have sent her an inbox.

Thanks guys, they have someone down for him now but was thinking if I could get a bit of a support network set up for him there would be better chance of it working. There is getting a few now needing helped n many are coming out of homes that have no idea n where never told what to expect as that fluff ball matured.

Hay guys can someone point me in the right direction, I think my contact details are out of date. Who do I contact for a Matemma pup in Tamworth NSW pound? I can't take him as just would not be in his best interest atm as I have 2 youngsters n 2 teen guardian breeds I'm working with atm myself. I am willing to help with any training n temperament issues n if close enough even visit if needed, I can also help towards his desex. http://www.facebook....f_t=photo_reply

I am against factory farmed meat so both my dogs & my family eat fresh home kill instead. That way I know it's had a good life pre slaughter n I also know they are slaughtered humanely.

Mine love platforms which can mean top of anything that's big enough to hold them n give then sight vantage point. At night I have I who sleeps up under our bed enough though he has a blanket beside the bed.

It depends I hate big siobbery licks up the face n therefore try too train mine not to lick but I have some that will gently n ever so quickly touch noses n give a tiny lick as they retreat that's ok.

some breed fanciers deliberately don't want to be recognised by the ANKC. There are other registries out there. . Yes & really it can be to some working breeds disinterest to do so.

Espinay taught me this trick. It confuses the heck out of my dogs so they stop :laugh: I dont have any helpful hints about Maya but I think whatever you choose to do to prevent it, you'll have your work cut out for you. All my dogs go nuts at my neighbour who drives up and down his driveway numerous times a day. They have met the neighbour and accept him when he visits, but when he drives past our property they all tell him off. I am lucky as the only person who hears it is me, but I dont think I'd have a hope in hell in getting them to stop anyway. Does she sleep inside at night? Could you introduce your neighbours to your dog? Fonz's bark is much more half hearted at the girl next door walking down her driveway, as he knows her well, but her older brother he really goes off at as he never visits here. I agree with the praise comment as this works with TM s too but when in town I found the only real way to stop night barking was to bring them in of a night.

The spray can be found in most feed store shops but I will look at the name next time I go in

I was looking for that 1, lol.

Which behavioural traits are you saying are not genetic and which are linked to X and which are linked to Y? If there is evidence of this it would be handy to know. Many believe herding is passed father to daughter for instantance. I am not sure of the truth behind that claim though. I know in horses there is some traits that are deff sex linked. I will see what material I can find over next few days as it makes for some interesting reading. Below I have just put a few basic 1s on different modes of inheritance etc. Here's a few links of interesting reading on the matter genetics n heridary passed traits etc http://www.astraean.com/borderwars/2011/09/the-3-types-of-genetic-inheritance.html http://www.thedogplace.org/GENETICS/Chromosomes-Genes-10094_Coats.asp http://books.google.com.au/books?id=OYjzuly4UiEC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=studies+in+behavioral+traits+in+dogs+linked+to+sex+chromosomes&source=bl&ots=J9oZ1wcDMM&sig=cCVz6RsbuYNjK_gIaJPaIunf9NA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PYGsUOKVLKmRigfx7YGwAQ&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=studies%20in%20behavioral%20traits%20in%20dogs%20linked%20to%20sex%20chromosomes&f=false

Some traits to do with behaviour are very likely to be passed on where as other not so much. Different traits can be linked to the Y or X chromosome also. I believe that a dogs behavioural temperament at maturity are affected by both their genetics n the environment they where raised in.