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I don't believe this can be placed firmly in the hand of those showing dogs. As has been discussed here, performance dogs in a lot of breeds barely resemble the originals of their breed either. I said evolution of two unique lines. Sometimes three for sporting lines. I think we have taken the breed and used it for so many different things (for breeds with a show/working/sporting split that we now have 3 totally different types for the job in hand. That's fine as long as it doesn't negatively impact the dog's ability to live day-to-day. I know someone that shows and competes in agility with their dogs (BCs) and their dogs a generally thicker set (not fat) and have a much denser coat compared to the person who just breeds for sporting and working and their lines are much less coat, much more streamlined and generally of a rather more intense temperament.

Rude. Just because I chose not to respond due to being annoyed in my actual life and thought I would leave it til today. That's hardly a reason to say something like that. Remember real people are reading your words. kthnxbai

Ok so I'll answer seriously as yesterday I was generally in a pissed off mood. My apologies to the people. How much to hip scores really mean when the dog can hardly walk? Maybe we should have hock scores too? I agree that HW's top one was a vast improvement on the breed from what I've seen and I've seen a lot of showline GSDs that have competed and are going to compete in the ring. I'm glad they are now rewarding better conformation than before and the issues are being recognised. Congratulations to them. I see it in kelpies also, the vast difference between bench and working. I agree that some bench have working instinct but you would rarely if ever see a bench in a true working environment for a variety of reasons. I'm starting to wonder if genetics are being altered as we we remove the dog from its original purpose to show it. Like in the silver fox experiment where the foxes were bred to be more docile and changed body shape and colour. I wonder also if this could be a similar thing and not fully on purpose just evolution of two unique lines.

which one's and by more extreme what do you mean and is it to the detriment of the breed or the individual dog ? From what I've seen of past dogs in the lab breed and dogs in the breed today (talking showlines) the labs tend be much shorter, heavier and chunkier than the dogs of old. Hence they have become more extreme in the description of the standard. But that's just my opinion. you said " like a lot of breeds", do you care to explain which one's and what you feel is now extreme about them and if it's to the detriment of the breed or individual? GSDs and their back legs for example. That is to the detriment of the whole showline. I find that rather interesting as there are numerous being scored at 0/0 in elbow and very low in the hips, so I'm not sure how you think their "back legs" are a detriment to the whole show line. lol, you're joking right? You make me laugh. so just what is the problem and how is it to their detriment ? I would be expecting to see horrendous hip scores and elbow scores if there were such a major problem with construction. Why does their have to be a working line if the showline is able to perform the duty just as well? Oh yeah, they can't because they can't walk properly. That's my piece. You say whatever you feel you need to say. i won't change my mind. have a nice night :) really that's all you have to say on the subject. Hardly worth commenting on if that's your expert opinion and that's all you can come up with. I would have expected a little more from someone in the know. Maybe a few descriptive sentences about what the problems might be when it comes to conformation, perhaps a little anatomical talk. I like to keep you on your toes. You never know what to expect. *disappears in a puff of smoke*

which one's and by more extreme what do you mean and is it to the detriment of the breed or the individual dog ? From what I've seen of past dogs in the lab breed and dogs in the breed today (talking showlines) the labs tend be much shorter, heavier and chunkier than the dogs of old. Hence they have become more extreme in the description of the standard. But that's just my opinion. you said " like a lot of breeds", do you care to explain which one's and what you feel is now extreme about them and if it's to the detriment of the breed or individual? GSDs and their back legs for example. That is to the detriment of the whole showline. I find that rather interesting as there are numerous being scored at 0/0 in elbow and very low in the hips, so I'm not sure how you think their "back legs" are a detriment to the whole show line. lol, you're joking right? You make me laugh. so just what is the problem and how is it to their detriment ? I would be expecting to see horrendous hip scores and elbow scores if there were such a major problem with construction. Why does their have to be a working line if the showline is able to perform the duty just as well? Oh yeah, they can't because they can't walk properly. That's my piece. You say whatever you feel you need to say. i won't change my mind. have a nice night :)

which one's and by more extreme what do you mean and is it to the detriment of the breed or the individual dog ? From what I've seen of past dogs in the lab breed and dogs in the breed today (talking showlines) the labs tend be much shorter, heavier and chunkier than the dogs of old. Hence they have become more extreme in the description of the standard. But that's just my opinion. you said " like a lot of breeds", do you care to explain which one's and what you feel is now extreme about them and if it's to the detriment of the breed or individual? GSDs and their back legs for example. That is to the detriment of the whole showline. I find that rather interesting as there are numerous being scored at 0/0 in elbow and very low in the hips, so I'm not sure how you think their "back legs" are a detriment to the whole show line. lol, you're joking right? You make me laugh.

which one's and by more extreme what do you mean and is it to the detriment of the breed or the individual dog ? From what I've seen of past dogs in the lab breed and dogs in the breed today (talking showlines) the labs tend be much shorter, heavier and chunkier than the dogs of old. Hence they have become more extreme in the description of the standard. But that's just my opinion. you said " like a lot of breeds", do you care to explain which one's and what you feel is now extreme about them and if it's to the detriment of the breed or individual? GSDs and their back legs for example. That is to the detriment of the whole showline.

which one's and by more extreme what do you mean and is it to the detriment of the breed or the individual dog ? From what I've seen of past dogs in the lab breed and dogs in the breed today (talking showlines) the labs tend be much shorter, heavier and chunkier than the dogs of old. Hence they have become more extreme in the description of the standard. But that's just my opinion.

Like a lot of breeds this one has also become more extreme.

It's ok, the dogs were picked up last week. I've been working long weeks and taking meds that knock me out when i get home so I've been out of the pound loop this week :laugh:

I see it all the time and it make me so frustrated. Most people won't listen to reason and then expect you to clean up after them.

Maree, call the cootamundra ranger on Tuesday when he's back (sub ranger til then) he said he may be able to bring the two Coota ones to Yass for you.

Huntrox! The coats are such good quality and a great size for the big dogs! Thank you

As long the dog is not used in lieu of owner-dog time. I know people who have companions for their dogs but give both equal amounts of one-on-one time and the dogs are happy and well-adjusted. I also know people who get another dog for the sake of their first dog and then they have two frustrated and destructive dogs and even less time.

Generally no, but I know someone that got a week off after her dog was killed in absolutely horrible circumstances.

Perhaps you might like to stick to dispensing advice for a breed that you have actually had something to do with. Perhaps you should be less rude. I was being helpful and have experience with deaf Staffords and know it does happen. Have a nice day :) No one is denying it happens. However the way you post suggests that it happens a lot. SBT people say it doesn't. Very confusing and worrying for the breeder of these pups don't you think? Just out of interest, how many is the "plenty" of deaf White Staffords you have encountered? Are you sure you don't mean Bull Terriers? I actually used to know a lady in the hunter valley, quite a few years ago that rescued deaf/partialky deaf white staffers mostly, she had about 4 or 5 over the time I I knew her. I have also come across a few in shelters and met one reg sbt completely white and completely deaf. I am not sure whether the rescued ones were pure on not but they looked very staffy. I have only met a couple of deaf bts. I've known quite a few deaf acds though. They're not uncommon around here unfortunately. I didn't mean to scare her (if I did) , I was just concerned. And there in lies your problem. Your "shelter" experience is not experience with pedigree registered dogs, the dogs you are describing could and are likely to be cross bred. I know breeders that have 30 or more years in the breed and are yet to breed a deaf one and plenty of them have been white. I understand what you're saying and acknowledge that in this case the likelihood of the pups being deaf is very low. I'm sure the owner will Notice if one is not responding to sound properly and take proper steps.

Perhaps you might like to stick to dispensing advice for a breed that you have actually had something to do with. Perhaps you should be less rude. I was being helpful and have experience with deaf Staffords and know it does happen. Have a nice day :) No one is denying it happens. However the way you post suggests that it happens a lot. SBT people say it doesn't. Very confusing and worrying for the breeder of these pups don't you think? Just out of interest, how many is the "plenty" of deaf White Staffords you have encountered? Are you sure you don't mean Bull Terriers? I actually used to know a lady in the hunter valley, quite a few years ago that rescued deaf/partialky deaf white staffers mostly, she had about 4 or 5 over the time I I knew her. I have also come across a few in shelters and met one reg sbt completely white and completely deaf. I am not sure whether the rescued ones were pure on not but they looked very staffy. I have only met a couple of deaf bts. I've known quite a few deaf acds though. They're not uncommon around here unfortunately. I didn't mean to scare her (if I did) , I was just concerned.

Perhaps you might like to stick to dispensing advice for a breed that you have actually had something to do with. Perhaps you should be less rude. I was being helpful and have experience with deaf Staffords and know it does happen. Have a nice day :)

Just stating what I believe to be a good idea, but do what you think is right. As for others and their thinly veiled insults....ugh

You've been googling too much. There is no need for the OP to rush off and have them tested, stop the scaremongering. I have seen plenty of white staffords with hearing issues, it's not scaremongering it's concern. Thanks.

Please have those puppies checked for deafness. They are very cute and squishy.

Am curious Hannah whats up!!!! Nothing bad I posted this as my status last ngiht so will post it here as it will be an open letter to the editor in tomorrow' paper My letter to the editor which will be appearing in the paper soon. I implore anyone that has visited Cootamundra Pound to get behind the proposed building of the new pound. The animals and staff really need it. Please contact me for more information about supporting this Dear Cootamundra Council. Firstly I would like to thank you for all your cooperation with rescue organisations regarding the pound dogs. To have a council so focused on rehoming dogs in such a responsible and caring manner is very refreshing. I have truly enjoyed working with you over the past 2 years and your staff are to be admired. Unfortunately I cannot say the same for the current pound facilities. They are most definitely below acceptable housing standards and are not only unsightly but pose a heightened disease risk due to general degradation, improper housing regarding infection control as well as where they are situated in both fine and inclement weather. I am aware that there is a draft budget which has been drawn up and $120,000 has been put toward the building of a new pound in the coming year. I cannot get behind this and support this enough. Not only will it be able to house cats and dogs in proper and acceptable accommodations but will be more inviting to prospective rescuers and adopters as well as posing a much lessened infectious disease risk. I hope that Cootamundra Pound will be the first of many that follow suit in providing acceptable housing for impounded animals. Again I thank and respect your wonderful staff for all they do in the name of saving lives, they are truly fantastic people. Regards, Hannah

Please message me if you have visited coota pound since I took over coordinating rescue. Cheers

Harden and Coota are currently in need of wormers.

Just call him and speak with him directly.